Zack Zenner on IR with cracked ribs and collapsed Lung...

[zyxt9]

Isa Abdul-Quddus averaged 30 yards on 1 carry. If he got 10 carries he could put up 300 yards. There is our best RB!

Congrats on winning the King Douche award for today.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Yet he led the team in YPC that game, so what is your point? When the OL blocks poorly and the OC sucks donkey dick, what are your expectations???

Who deserved more carries vs Ari? Tell me who did better for the Lions in that game?

You want to cherry pick that game but fail to look at the details behind it. If he doesn't get injured vs Bears, he likely gets close to 10 carries in that game. He averaged 5.0 on the 3 carries, so he might have gotten close to 50 yards.

You still have not provided your demands for what the #1 RB is to produce per game for the Lions.

How do know with a different OL he'd have done better? You can't. He might one day be Barry Sanders 2.0. Hypothetically. But based on what he's done for Detroit, he doesn't and hasn't helped this team.

 

[brewer229]

Congrats on winning the King Douche award for today.

By using your logic...I agree. I'm only using 2 less carries to get to the same result as you did with ZZ.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Congrats on winning the King Douche award for today.

YES. Man, for a moment I thought I might have a chance. Thanks, Brewer.

 

[brewer229]

YES. Man, for a moment I thought I might have a chance. Thanks, Brewer.

He wants to get rid of his crown, but he just keeps showing why he deserves it.

 

[zyxt9]

Exactly but Zenner will? Or was that not your guarantee. Zenner better than AP, lol.

Wait...where did I say Zenner was better than AP? I merely said AP needs an OL that opens holes in order to be productive. Same applies to Emmitt Smith. I can only recall 2 RBs in NFL history able to run for over 100 YPG behind the worst OLs in the league because they had an uncommon gift in their ability to play the position: Walter Payton and Barry Sanders.

You are the one apparently demanding Zenner run for 100 YPG when he gets 10 carries per game, despite the fact no NFL RB has ever averaged 10 YPC for an entire season.

 

[kdp1980]

Yet ZZ was doing better than Riddick...so...I'm confused....what exactly did ZZ need to accomplish to be acceptable in your mind?

ZZ is Bell when he first came to the Lions, except faster. He shouldve had a bigger role. Imo, even though he's done for the year, he is much more intriguing than Abdullah. Just a real shame he went down. He would've been our breakout player at rb, because we already knew what Riddick brought to the table.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Wait...where did I say Zenner was better than AP? I merely said AP needs an OL that opens holes in order to be productive. Same applies to Emmitt Smith. I can only recall 2 RBs in NFL history able to run for over 100 YPG behind the worst OLs in the league because they had an uncommon gift in their ability to play the position: Walter Payton and Barry Sanders.

You are the one apparently demanding Zenner run for 100 YPG when he gets 10 carries per game, despite the fact no NFL RB has ever averaged 10 YPC for an entire season.

Point it out where I said that. It was in-fact you who guaranteed 100 yards in a run first offense. I never said anything about Zenner except the fact he hasn't done one thing to help Detroit. Not one. Tell me I'm wrong with facts?

 

[zyxt9]

How do know with a different OL he'd have done better? You can't. He might one day be Barry Sanders 2.0. Hypothetically. But based on what he's done for Detroit, he doesn't and hasn't helped this team.

I never claimed he was Barry 2.0, that isn't the style ZZ runs with.

He doesn't even necessarily need a different OL, but he does need an OL that is able to block better.

You though are demanding he run for 10 YPC and 100 YPG, and do it without any holes being opened by the OL.

 

[Mitchrapp]

In-fact I invite everyone to tell me how Zenner has helped the Detroit Lions. Outside next in line after fumble guy got taken out.

 

[brewer229]

 

[Mitchrapp]

I never claimed he was Barry 2.0, that isn't the style ZZ runs with.

He doesn't even necessarily need a different OL, but he does need an OL that is able to block better.

You though are demanding he run for 10 YPC and 100 YPG, and do it without any holes being opened by the OL.

Another lie. And you're not even very good at it.

 

[zyxt9]

Point it out where I said that. It was in-fact you who guaranteed 100 yards in a run first offense. I never said anything about Zenner except the fact he hasn't done one thing to help Detroit. Not one. Tell me I'm wrong with facts?

You pointed to AP having 26 carries. I said 26 carries at 4.3 YPC (Zenner's avg outside of the Ari game in which he was the leading Lions RB) is over 100 yards. So a guy with a 4.3 YPC ability is legit based on the apparent demands you set forth.

So yes, if you give ZZ 26 carries, he likely reaches 100 YPG on average. Not sure why you have a difficult time with that.

What you really appear to have issue with is the fact the team is not a run first team and uses a RB by committee. I suggest you watch something other than the Lions since they are a pass first + RB committee team.

 

[brewer229]

 

[zyxt9]

Not understanding this post, is it supposed to be a video of something AP did? If it is a video, it is not playing for me.

 

[brewer229]

You pointed to AP having 26 carries. I said 26 carries at 4.3 YPC (Zenner's avg outside of the Ari game in which he was the leading Lions RB) is over 100 yards. So a guy with a 4.3 YPC ability is legit based on the apparent demands you set forth.

So yes, if you give ZZ 26 carries, he likely reaches 100 YPG on average. Not sure why you have a difficult time with that.

What you really appear to have issue with is the fact the team is not a run first team and uses a RB by committee. I suggest you watch something other than the Lions since they are a pass first + RB committee team.

Why would you eliminate the game where he got most his work? You are basing this on 7 carries on fresh legs over 3 games. Hardly enough body of work to say he can sustain a 4.3 YPC average. The guy is an unknown, he has proven nothing, he is a nobody.

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[zyxt9]

I'm guessing you are trying to say ZZ is not as good as AP. I never said he was. Neither are the other RBs in the NFL...so I don't really get the point you are failing to make by posting photos / videos that don't play.

 

[brewer229]

I'm guessing you are trying to say ZZ is not as good as AP. I never said he was. Neither are the other RBs in the NFL...so I don't really get the point you are failing to make by posting photos / videos that don't play.

Not sure why they don't work for you. But your every running back needs holes to be successful is not 100% true. A running back can make a play when the O-line does not succeed.

You are saying ZZ is a good running back at the same time saying running backs are useless it's all about the line. Zenner has done nothing, hes gotten hurt. Maybe he can't compete with guys that are bigger than him. Maybe he needs to go back to the small school where he can run over small/slow defenders.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You pointed to AP having 26 carries. I said 26 carries at 4.3 YPC (Zenner's avg outside of the Ari game in which he was the leading Lions RB) is over 100 yards. So a guy with a 4.3 YPC ability is legit based on the apparent demands you set forth.

So yes, if you give ZZ 26 carries, he likely reaches 100 YPG on average. Not sure why you have a difficult time with that.

What you really appear to have issue with is the fact the team is not a run first team and uses a RB by committee. I suggest you watch something other than the Lions since they are a pass first + RB committee team.

I brought up AP because you said a first run offense Zenner would get 100 yards. I proved it wasn't happening. You sure can't understand well, can you. Are you not keeping up on this conversation on purpose? Try to read one post at a time.

I don't care if we have 42 RB's and carry the ball 30 times a game or 1/2 a time a game. 200 yards or 1. Zenner has not done jack when he has gotten the fall. I'm not talking potential or future but now.. By 2015 season he hasn't done anything.

 

[kdp1980]

Wtf is going on in this thread? AP to Zz,lol? I think what everybody that likes what they see in Zenner is trying to say, is that they would've liked to see a ton more of him.