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#16 Michigan @ #7 Penn State

Patterson probably is the best qb on the team but he will not be at Michigan next season. It is time to get the other qb?s playing time. Wins and losses mean zip to me for now this year. Need to try and win all of them next year. It is time to get next years crew ready and up to speed on the Rpo offense. I am assuming Gattis and Jim will still be here next season.
 
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What I learned about watching M-PSU: (10 things)

8. 58-yard field goals are rare in CFB, especially from Michigan kickers. Gregg Willner tried one once (I think it was 56 yards) and it looked like Martini throwing the basketball against the fence in One Flew Over the Coocoo?s Nest.

10. gotime, I expect, has not made the transition to manhood, no matter his age.

go time has applauded M basketball and I as I recall M baseball too. Don?t know his problem with M football and Harbaugh and care about it less than zero. Give credit where credit is due on the other sports.

I worked a fund raiser in Sherman Oaks, home to a lot of movie people.

Literally, as I was driving home I thought of a discussion of movies on the board, and I thought of you, and I thought to myself I would say to anybody ?I am a cinafile ? but I am a piker next to Byco.?

Big Michigan games, win or a loss, bring me home to my memories of Ann Arbor, not unlike the Kenny Loggins song ?Celebrate Me Home.?

In 1984, just before I left Ann Arbor to move to Hollywood, I was invited by the director of One Flew Over the Cuckoo?s Nest, a production to be done at the fledging Performance Network, to play the role of R.P. McMurphy.

It was to be an eight week, four a show on week run.

It was the best time of my life - all the live theater fan girls had the hots for me, and the Tigers started out 35-5.

The show turned out to be a huge critical and box success and launched the Performance Network from being about to close to the next 30 years of its existence.

So thanks for reminding me of that Ann Arbor memory with your reference to Martini.

And for what it?s worth, the guy who played Cheswick, Christopher Flynn, had a lot of praise for me about working on the same stage.

A student of his had left Michigan and had gone to New York on his advice, to pursue professional performance directly.

He didn?t didn?t give me the same advice though;

but I had already graduated and was heading to Hollywood.

Her name was Madonna Ciccone.
 
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bummer of a result, but I'm surprised to see people down on Patterson in this thread - I thought he played well and got victimized by several drops including a potential game tying catch.

Overall, my takeaway is that officiating in college football is almost as bad as it is in college basketball and while I admit my pro uofm bias in this instance, it looked to me like your team got the worst of it, particularly in the 1st half. However, I think the primary killers were first, the aforementioned drops and second the big plays - the defense I thought played well but they got burned deep too many times and got caught with a good college linebacker covering an NFL caliber receiver on some shorter stuff too.

I'm definitely a bit more nervous about playing uofm after watching this game - to me they looked better than they have all year (excluding the 52-0 stomping of Rutgaahz).
 
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I thought after late in the first quarter this was Patterson Best game. It was Gattis best game excluding some mind blowing running plays that just were odd. Patterson 2nd , and 3rd and goal run comes to mind. Very poor design.

Drops, flags , and Don brown?s coverage scheme cost Michigan this game. It is funny Browns safety on wr cost us but his Defense also shut Psu down, and gave the offense plenty of chances .The blueprint is out on Psu. I think they will lose at least 2 more league games.

I think MSU will give Psu all they can handle at home ..I know Patterson is still the #1 Qb but now that there is no shot a winning the big ten why not get either McCaffery or Milton ready for next season ?

Jim is not getting fired no matter how many games he loses. He will lose at least 4 or 5 games this year unless we start turning it around next week hopefully. Why not get a younger guy ready for next season ?
 
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This talk about starting McC or Milton to “prepare for next season” ... why then, should it not apply to all the positions on the field? It’s not sound strategy. If McC or JM can displace Patterson, then that’s something different altogether.
 
What I learned about watching M-PSU: (10 things)
7. I want to take a lead pipe to the head of the Nittany Lion mascot. Like Robert DiNiro did to that poor sap at the round table.

that was a baseball bat - symbolic of his analogy about a baseball team and how one player who doesn't carry his weight can ruin it for everyone. I guess Capone had a little bo in him, it was all about "the team, the team, the team." I'm surprised a big baseball fan like yourself didn't remember that.
 
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I think MSU will give Psu all they can handle at home ..I know Patterson is still the #1 Qb but now that there is no shot a winning the big ten why not get either McCaffery or Milton ready for next season?

because you still have a state championship to play for not to mention post season options other than the playoffs and/or Rose Bowl. And the rest of the players, especially other seniors deserve to have the best shot at winning games - I doubt they want to bust their asses for next year as much as they want to go out winners.
 
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Patterson probably is the best qb on the team but he will not be at Michigan next season. It is time to get the other qb?s playing time. Wins and losses mean zip to me for now this year. Need to try and win all of them next year. It is time to get next years crew ready and up to speed on the Rpo offense. I am assuming Gattis and Jim will still be here next season.

I'm quite certain wins and losses mean a lot to the MIchigan players and coaches, especially the seniors that have dedicated 4 to 5 years of their lives to entertaining you. I doubt we see any changes at QB. McCaffrey or Milton will play in mop-up time, if there is any. Otherwise, we'll see them battle it out next spring.

I guess Harbaugh and Co. could surprise me and go with your theory, but I doubt it.
 
that was a baseball bat - symbolic of his analogy about a baseball team and how one player who doesn't carry his weight can ruing it for everyone. I guess Capone had a little bo in him, it was all about "the team, the team, the team." I'm surprised a big baseball fan like yourself didn't remember that.

Let?s just take that stroll down mem?ry lane...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy3MtznDeqg
 
This talk about starting McC or Milton to ?prepare for next season? ... why then, should it not apply to all the positions on the field? It?s not sound strategy. If McC or JM can displace Patterson, then that?s something different altogether.

Yes, let's bench all seniors. That would be a great sound strategy for programs to do around the country.

I agree with you, Byco.
 
Yes. MSU will give PSU a very good game. Road vs home is still a bid deal. Big games, night games, games after big games, are still things.
 
This talk about starting McC or Milton to ?prepare for next season? ... why then, should it not apply to all the positions on the field? It?s not sound strategy. If McC or JM can displace Patterson, then that?s something different altogether.

Well I did mention getting in some younger offense linemen in but that was in a different post. Pretty sure we have a lot of upper classmen On the O-Line. Shame it is taking half a football season to learn the offense. So yeah I am fine with playing younger guys everywhere.
 
Well I did mention getting in some younger offense linemen in but that was in a different post. Pretty sure we have a lot of upper classmen On the O-Line. Shame it is taking half a football season to learn the offense. So yeah I am fine with playing younger guys everywhere.

I'm not. Guys don't put in the time to earn the opportunity to start just so the guys they beat out for PT get to replace them to prepare for a season that doesn't exist yet.

Age quod agis.
 
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Look I want to win as much as the next Wolverine fan. It?s just a opinion guys. You know Jimmy won?t do it. Also if winning is as important as you all of you say it is why do guys sit in the bowl games now ?

I never said bench every senior did I lol . I said get McCaffrey and or Milton experience for next season because Patterson is gone and our chances of winning the Big ten title are Minuscule at best. There is nothing to lose to start and get in some younger kids at all positions. The team is loaded with young offensive linemen. I mean I counted at least 10+ junior or younger linemen on the roster and stopped counting. Get them ready for the guys who are leaving next season is a good thing.
 
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I'm not. Guys don't put in the time to earn the opportunity to start just so the guys they beat out for PT get to replace them to prepare for a season that doesn't exist yet.

Age quod agis.

Again why did guys sit in the bowl game if this was the case ? I am all for playing the guys who earned it. Nothing wrong with getting guys experience for next year.
You guys act like I am saying replace all 11 at once lol.
 
Again don?t worry guys. Patterson will be starting next week. We can all hope we start much better then at Penn state, and don?t fall behind 21-0. Start the game on time and we may have a good shot at beating ND at home. Pretty sure the game will be close.
 
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So with Patterson gone next season will Jim go after another transfer qb or does any of the younger qb’s get a chance at running Michigan’s offense. Because Jim’s Inability to Develop a QB has cost Michigan dearly. Will he go with one on the roster this time ?
 
So, I've done the math. Penn St has to lose to MSU and OSU. OSU has to lose to Wisconsin and Michigan for Michigan to win the division. It will give everyone 2 losses but it will give Michigan tie breaker over PSU because of 2 losses in division and 1 loss for UM. Michigan would have tie breaker over OSU because of head to head and 1 loss for both in division. Doubtful, but this is our only chance. Win out and see how it unfolds.

Remember division losses are different than conference losses

This is good.

I know who to root for now; I will send positive psychic energy vibes to East Lansing this weekend, and Madison, WI (to prepare them for the game in Columbus).

If State can beat Penn State and Wisconsin can beat Ohio State, I like our odds from here on out a lot better.

No matter how good their defense plays, State has to find a way to generate SOME offense though... to keep PSU's offense off the field and give their defense a rest.
 
Again why did guys sit in the bowl game if this was the case ? I am all for playing the guys who earned it. Nothing wrong with getting guys experience for next year.
You guys act like I am saying replace all 11 at once lol.

The bowl games are and always will be exhibitions, playoff excepted. "Shea you had your best game of the season -- in fact the entire offense did -- and we're going to give Dylan and Joe a shot now. Thanks for being a team player."
 
Look I want to win as much as the next Wolverine fan. It?s just a opinion guys. You know Jimmy won?t do it. Also if winning is as important as you all of you say it is why do guys sit in the bowl games now ?

I never said bench every senior did I lol . I said get McCaffrey and or Milton experience for next season because Patterson is gone and our chances of winning the Big ten title are Minuscule at best. There is nothing to lose to start and get in some younger kids at all positions. The team is loaded with young offensive linemen. I mean I counted at least 10+ junior or younger linemen on the roster and stopped counting. Get them ready for the guys who are leaving next season is a good thing.

No. You didn't suggest that every senior get benched, but why just bench the senior QB to prepare for next year. By that logic, you'd bench every senior so the players that will be left get more PT to prepare for next year.

There's a lot to lose. Would you be OK with the team going 5-7? How would that look nationally? Would you be OK if Michigan lost to MSU in AA? Would people who bought season tickets be ok with their purchase if Harbaugh announced that he was tanking the season to prepare for next season? Would high school recruits want to come to play for a coach that does these things?

Players choose to sit out the bowl game. Coaches don't choose to do it for them. Coaches can't force a player to play and participate in team activities. Players can just drop off the team and out of school anytime they want.
 
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