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2023 Off-Season Thread

I would ask that espn writer to look up some stats on Chicago's passing offense during that time frame. Oline performance, sacks allowed etc. Goff and Co passing offense with this oline...I wouldn't be surprised if Montgomery is a top 10 back. Id go as far to say top 7 back if they use him as a workhorse. The only risks to his production will be how much they use swift... and injury.

That goes for Swift as well. His production is only limited to injuries and Montgomery. My guess is a realistic ideal game for the Lions would look something like this

Swift - 10 carries 50 yds......5 catches 50 yds. 1 TD
Montgomery - 15 carries-70 yards 1 TD......3 catches 25 yards

Montgomery out touches Swift, but Swift is more heavily involved in the passing game. If we could get that kind of production throughout 17 games this offense is going to be a problem for even good defenses to stop.
 
Lions were 128 YPG rushing last year for 11th

Think they could get another 10-20 YPG to get to top 6-7 in rushing

They don't have a running QB so probably not in the top 5 (Bears, Ravens, Falcons, Giants, Eagles) all had QBS that could run to varying degrees plus success with RBs

But still want that goal line success and also more short yardage conversions. The short yardage conversions lacked at times.
 
Lions NEEDS (IMO) if the draft were tomorrow.

1. CB/S - Need an upgrade in talent.....even with Sutton and Moseley.
2. LB - Need a cover LB in the worst way.
3. DT - Starter next to McNeil who is better than Buggs....who is a good DT3 at best
4. RG - Potential starter either in '23 or '24
5. QB2 - Need. PLEASE don't go in to 2023 with Goff and Blough
6. WR - Outside WR that can take Chark's place
7. RB3 - I think a HR threat here would be a good addition. It's the one thing the current group lacks.
 
Big difference from the reported 3yr $30mil he was asking for.

Maybe more behind the scenes, but I?m guessing they either couldn?t agree on the years or the guaranteed money.
 
Lions NEEDS (IMO) if the draft were tomorrow.

1. CB/S - Need an upgrade in talent.....even with Sutton and Moseley.
2. LB - Need a cover LB in the worst way.
3. DT - Starter next to McNeil who is better than Buggs....who is a good DT3 at best
4. RG - Potential starter either in '23 or '24
5. QB2 - Need. PLEASE don't go in to 2023 with Goff and Blough
6. WR - Outside WR that can take Chark's place
7. RB3 - I think a HR threat here would be a good addition. It's the one thing the current group lacks.

Personally want to see RG and the rest defense on days 1 & 2. Upside QB2 and RB3 can be found on day 3.
 
PFF grades so far

RB DAVID MONTGOMERY SIGNS A THREE-YEAR DEAL WITH THE DETROIT LIONS

2022 PFF Grade: 67.9 (44th/60 RB) 2022 PFF WAR: 0.13 (22nd RB)

Fit/need grade: B+
Value grade: B
Contract: Three years, $18 million ($6 million per year), $11 million guaranteed
PFF projected contract: Three years, $19.5 million ($6.5 million per year), $12.25 million guaranteed
Montgomery stays in the NFC North after playing out his rookie contract with the Chicago Bears and is primed to face his old team twice a year as a part of a committee with D?Andre Swift.

The former third-round pick has hauled in at least 25 receptions in every season of his career and regularly avoids negative plays by routinely shaking off tacklers in the backfield.

Montgomery fills the void left behind Jamaal Williams as the short-yardage back, but he can also pass catches out of the backfield ? he occasionally lines up in the slot and out wide ? and is a plus pass protector at the position, with his 71.7 pass-blocking grade since 2019 a top-10 mark at the position.

Montgomery is as tough as they come, and has legitimate three-down potential if D?Andre Swift were to miss time with injury, whereas Jamaal Williams has become more of an early-down-only type of player.


DL JOHN COMINSKY RE-SIGNS WITH THE DETROIT LIONS

Fit/need grade: A
Value grade: A
Contract: Two years, $8.5 million ($4.25 million per year), $4 million guaranteed
PFF projected contract: N/A
Cominsky broke out in 2022 with the Lions and brings a needed skill set as an inside-outside flex player who can rush the passer from all over the defensive formation, kicking inside on passing downs and doing quite well in that role. The lack of a contract projection here was frankly an oversight; Cominsky belonged on our top 200 free agents list. With an incredibly long list of interior defender free agents, Detroit retains one of its own for a modest price.

Cominsky started the year with a 22.2% pass-rush win rate, which ranked fifth, and 10 quarterback pressures, which were the second most from an interior defender through Week 2. He then had to undergo surgery and didn?t return to a full role until Week 10, but he recorded multiple quarterback pressures in seven out of nine games to close out the year.


CB EMMANUEL MOSELEY TO SIGN ONE-YEAR, $6 MILLION DEAL WITH DETROIT LIONS

2022 PFF Grade: 70.9 (N/A) 2022 PFF WAR: 0.14 (62nd CB)

Fit/need grade: A
Value grade: A-
Contract: One year, $6 million
PFF projected contract: One year, $4.25 million, $3 million guaranteed
This is a smart buy-low decision from the Detroit Lions on a player who started off the 2022 season strong, earning a career-high 73.5 coverage grade through Week 5, before tearing his ACL leading up to Week 6. That injury is far removed from Week 1 of 2023, so it?s not as if Moseley recently got hurt and is beginning rehab. Detroit has now added Cameron Sutton and Moseley, with Jeffrey Okudah and Jerry Jacobs in the fold, which could dramatically improve their cornerback unit that was in desperate need of reinforcement.

The interesting thing to monitor will be if Sutton kicks inside to the slot in nickel packages, with his flexibility a nice component of his value, though he?s played more on the outside in recent years.


ALEX ANZALONE RE-SIGNS WITH THE DETROIT LIONS FOR THREE YEARS

Fit/need grade: B-
Value grade: C
Contract: Three years, $18.75 million ($6.25 million per year),
PFF projected contract: Two years, $7 million ($3.5 million)
Anzalone was solid for the Lions last year, with his 58.5 PFF run-defense grade and 58.9 PFF coverage grade both ranking in the top 60 among all linebackers. It?s just a bit of an overpay on a day when we saw a division rival in the Bears sign T.J. Edwards for a pretty similar deal. Anzalone is not a bad player for the Lions to bring back, he just costs more than you?d like given his limitations.


CB CAMERON SUTTON PLANS TO SIGN DEAL WITH DETROIT LIONS

Fit/need grade: A-
Value grade: B
Contract: Three years, $33 million, $21.5 million total guaranteed
PFF projected contract: Three years, $25.5 million, $15.5 million total guaranteed
Sutton quietly continued to excel in a Pittsburgh coverage unit that was otherwise very exploitable, even though 2022 was just his second season as a full-time starter on the outside. Sutton earned a 71.0 coverage grade, and he allowed just 411 receiving yards, the ninth-best mark among cornerbacks with at least 400 coverage snaps on the season.

The Lions needed to find an outside cornerback in free agency this offseason, and Sutton provides exactly that. Pittsburgh played man coverage at about the same rate as Detroit did in 2022, and so the schematic fit makes sense for both sides.
 
Maybe more behind the scenes, but I?m guessing they either couldn?t agree on the years or the guaranteed money.
I heard they offered similar money. I really like Williams though. Where'd the 3 years 30m come from?
 
Personally want to see RG and the rest defense on days 1 & 2. Upside QB2 and RB3 can be found on day 3.

If holmes finds a safety in FA this draft that was once going to be heavy defense might be full of RG, TE and WR early lol.... crazy.
 
Now that the numbers are out there, which is better?

Williams 3 for $12M, $8M guaranteed
Montgomery 3 for $18M, $11M guaranteed
 
Now that the numbers are out there, which is better?

Williams 3 for $12M, $8M guaranteed
Montgomery 3 for $18M, $11M guaranteed

Montgomery better rusher, receiver and pass blocker. Williams productive in 2022 and a good leader. Age factor too though.

Montgomery has to produce now, simple as that

Miles Sanders got only 4 year 25 million from the Panthers. Would have rather had that than Montgomery
 
Now that the numbers are out there, which is better?

Williams 3 for $12M, $8M guaranteed
Montgomery 3 for $18M, $11M guaranteed

I still like Montgomery slightly, mostly due to timeline, he?ll be 28 at the end of the contract whereas Jamaal will be 30. The difference in average salary is something like 0.9% of the cap, so I don?t have much of an issue regarding the money.

Can?t find details about Williams contract structure yet, but Montgomery is a cap neutral cut in 2024 if things don?t work out.
 
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