3 Way Done deal , Tigers get Price !!

[UMRules06]

Just a quick reply...seeings I live in New York and also follow the Yankees (I am not a fan, I just watch a lot of their games).

NYY has made the playoffs all the years since 1995, except two. 2008 and 2013. Those were the only 2 years that the Yankees didn't score 800 runs in a FULL season. They also didn't score 800 runs in 1995, but that was a strike shortened season and they ended with 749 in 145 games (836 runs in 162 games).

And it really is more than just the scoring of runs. If you look at the winning BOS and NYY teams, it is their team walk rate. Even OAK wins with a team walk rate.

Oh I agree that the Yankees made the playoffs all the time. But that's what people are getting tired of around here. Just making the playoffs isn't enough it seems. So NYY scored 800 runs a bunch of times, but how many times did this win them a championship? It seems like the answer is not often, unless they had great pitching to go with it. Great offenses get shut down in the playoffs (maybe again that's another myth, because I don't have data to back this up).

Detroit scored 821 runs in 2008 and finished last in the division. They scored 726 in 2012 and finished 1st. I do not know exactly what that means but I just found it interesting lol. Probably speaks to how much better the central division was 6-7 years ago, than it is now more than anything. Sorry...rambling now. The walk rate thing I believe we are in lock step on.

 

[kgdetroit]

You guys are all aware the Tigers are 3rd in the MLB in runs per game right? I don't see Jackson being removed from the lineup turning them into the Padres overnight.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Price as a SP in the playoffs 1-4 with ERA over 5. Just sayin'.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You guys are all aware the Tigers are 3rd in the MLB in runs per game right? I don't see Jackson being removed from the lineup turning them into the Padres overnight.

Overall but they have too many stretches where they can't score then they might throw out a couple 10 run games. Overall I don't consider them the third best offensive team..

But that's just my opinion.

 

[UMRules06]

Price as a SP in the playoffs 1-4 with ERA over 5. Just sayin'.

True, but Verlander was equally awful in his first postseason appearances until he figured it out. Hoping Price can follow that same pattern, and become just as dominant.

 

[Mitchrapp]

True, but Verlander was equally awful in his first postseason appearances until he figured it out. Hoping Price can follow that same pattern, and become just as dominant.

Yes, just pointing out that he needs to improve on that..

 

[sggatecl]

I think you analogy is off a bit. We traded Safford, Pettigrew and 1x young player for Rogers.

Everybody's a critic! I get why you chose Stafford, QB for QB / LHP for LHP. I stayed away from that comparison because I feel the gap between Stafford and Rodgers is less than the gap between Price and Smyly.

But +1 on adding the young person. I keep forgetting about the 18 year old SS. He apparently had a lot of scouts checking him out these last few weeks.

 

[tomdalton22]

I think you analogy is off a bit. We traded Safford, Pettigrew and 1x young player for Rogers.

Make that trade happen Mayhew!!!!

 

[kgdetroit]

Overall but they have too many stretches where they can't score then they might throw out a couple 10 run games. Overall I don't consider them the third best offensive team..

But that's just my opinion.

I don't know that I consider them the 3rd best offensive team either but they're no slouches. A lot of what many people see as an inconsistent offense is just baseball; since we watch them every day the low scoring games and scoring droughts are more apparent. Know how many games thus far the Tigers have score 3 runs or less? 42. Know how many games the A's, pretty much the consensus best offense in baseball, scored 3 or less runs? 42.

My point is that I read a lot of comments on this thread where people are acting like the sky is falling because Austin Jackson isn't gonna be in the lineup. This is a team that is 2nd in baseball in team average, 3rd in OBP, 2nd in slugging and OPS and 5th in K rate (despite the aforementioned Jackson striking out in nearly 23% of his ABs) . Their offense is well above average and losing Austin Jackson who was batting .273 with an under .400 slugging % and on pace for a whopping 51 RBIs and 6 dongs isn't gonna hurt them nearly as much as much as adding a premier left handed SP who can go deep into games is gonna help them, in my opinion anyway.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Its a shame the tigers organization seems to abhor walks and plate discipline.

No kidding. And it does more than get a guy on base. Work those counts, get the starters pitch count up..maybe even more pitches get the SP to throw a wild pitch.

I'm sure it's posted somewhere but I'm curious what walk rate a player had before he came here and after?

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't know that I consider them the 3rd best offensive team either but they're no slouches. A lot of what many people see as an inconsistent offense is just baseball; since we watch them every day the low scoring games and scoring droughts are more apparent. Know how many games thus far the Tigers have score 3 runs or less? 42. Know how many games the A's, pretty much the consensus best offense in baseball, scored 3 or less runs? 42.

My point is that I read a lot of comments on this thread where people are acting like the sky is falling because Austin Jackson isn't gonna be in the lineup. This is a team that is 2nd in baseball in team average, 3rd in OBP, 2nd in slugging and OPS and 5th in K rate (despite the aforementioned Jackson striking out in nearly 23% of his ABs) . Their offense is well above average and losing Austin Jackson who was batting .273 with an under .400 slugging % and on pace for a whopping 51 RBIs and 6 dongs isn't gonna hurt them nearly as much as much as adding a premier left handed SP who can go deep into games is gonna help them, in my opinion anyway.

Okay that makes sense. If we took a poll it would be a landslide that the people here think Ajax is just average. I think what happens is when we got Price some were just talking about what it will do for us, and others thought we were complaining.

The trade in itself was more in our favor but that didn't mean we should just be okay with it and say, wow, awesome. :cheers:

 

[tomdalton22]

aren't the Tigers ranked 3rd in MLB in OBP?

 

[Mitchrapp]

aren't the Tigers ranked 3rd in MLB in OBP?

OBP is associated with average not walk rate.

 

[tomdalton22]

OBP is associated with average not walk rate.

I know...I just don't get the fascination with walk rate.

 

[Thumb]

OBP is associated with average not walk rate.

Umm no.

OBP is how often a player gets on base/plate appearances. Walks included.

Generally speaking players with high walk rates have better OBP than player with low walk rates.

 

[tomdalton22]

Umm no.

OBP is how often a player gets on base/plate appearances. Walks included.

Generally speaking players with high walk rates have better OBP than player with low walk rates.

I think he meant that it includes batting average / hits.

 

[Thumb]

I think he meant that it includes batting average / hits.

No. it does not.


On Base Percentage (aka OBP, On Base Average, OBA) is a measure of how often a batter reaches base. It is approximately equal to Times on Base/Plate appearances. The full formula is OBP = (Hits + Walks + Hit by Pitch) / (At Bats + Walks + Hit by Pitch + Sacrifice Flies).


Absolutely nothing at all to do with batting average.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I know...I just don't get the fascination with walk rate.

Like I said above it can do so much more than just get on base. Plus if someone is struggling getting hits he still can be productive..

Nick is a good example..he's had a poor season. Unless he starts hitting a bunch of bombs he's not getting any better with his walk rate.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No. it does not.


On Base Percentage (aka OBP, On Base Average, OBA) is a measure of how often a batter reaches base. It is approximately equal to Times on Base/Plate appearances. The full formula is OBP = (Hits + Walks + Hit by Pitch) / (At Bats + Walks + Hit by Pitch + Sacrifice Flies).


Absolutely nothing at all to do with batting average.

Yes it does. How do you think averages go up, hits. For example, Kinsler starts to hit .250 but same walk rate his OBP goes down.

 

[tomdalton22]

No. it does not.


On Base Percentage (aka OBP, On Base Average, OBA) is a measure of how often a batter reaches base. It is approximately equal to Times on Base/Plate appearances. The full formula is OBP = (Hits + Walks + Hit by Pitch) / (At Bats + Walks + Hit by Pitch + Sacrifice Flies).


Absolutely nothing at all to do with batting average.

hits are included in batting average and OBP...that is what I think he was talking about. That's how I took it anyway.