Annual premature mock draft

[jdeb]

The fact he has Clowney #1 is proof enough he doesn't know jack.

I agree and surprised no one dogged you for this post.

 

[mhughes0021]

I agree and surprised no one dogged you for this post.

because who are we going to argue is #1? I certainly don't think any of the qbs are worth a shit and probably 3 of them go in the top 5. Bortles is my favorite qb in the draft and he will probably be the 3rd qb off the board. So if the discussion is between clowney or barr....well I don't really know how to argue that cause they are so different. Then you can add in the tackles Mathews or greg robinson. Then Watkins? soooo I guess im trying to say whats your cup of tea? Overhyped qbs that will get taken high cause the risk is worth it now? OTs that both project to start right away in the NFL? Or playmakers at DE or WR? If I had to rank them or come up with a "big board" id probably go:

1Greg Robinson
2Watkins
3Clowney
4Bortles
5Mathews
6Barr

...but saying Clowney is #1 isn't really that far fetched....the dude took the year off to avoid injury.

 

[mhughes0021]

resign jones and young

Young will go to the highest bidder and it wont be us cause ,ayhew will roll with taylor before he shells out more money than willie young is worth.

 

[mhughes0021]

It's really tough, I think when everything shakes out a lot of those dlineman move up the board. Mayhew gets lauded for his BPA strategy by some on here...I think at ten BPA is going to be a rising dlineman or one of Barr or Clowney or Mack falling. Who knows what defense we'll be running.

Hughes with some of the names you and I have thrown out there we know wr is really deep. I think Watkins is the best and it's not even close, but it think he's gone. Lee is second best but is a stellar talent and has every chance to be a great wr 2 especially in this offense. I like the talent of the top two corners but all things equal there is more talent at other position.

Alex pure need maybe cb maybe not, we have a half dozen young guys on the roster that may turn out. Slay was drafted as a future 1. Houston is still here as a 2. Bentley as a nickel. Green and Greenwood are wild cards. DE on the other hand we have Ansah and who? Young might not be back, and overpaid vet in Jason Jones with one Achilles? Not my cup of tea. The who. You could argue DE is the biggest need.

BPA at 10 might just end up being Jernigan....I thought that's where you were going. Hay...I wouldn't blame them if they did it.....they need to make decisions on fairley and suh soon.....Jernigan gives them bargaining power.

but I do agree with you...DE is a big need this off season. We need someone that can beat someone 1 v1. Devin Taylor is a good back up/roll player. But no way in heck he should be getting a majority of the snaps.

 

[sggatecl]

Didn't someone call it that Kiper would move Watkins into his top five from fourteen, based on the fact he knows jack shit about college football?

<--- This guy. ESPN's draft gurus piss me off every year around this time. The amount of stock they put into bowl games/workouts compared to ACTUAL competitive play in a season blows my mind every year.

 

[cheeno]

I agree about his athleticism. And after watching some of his tape against Nebraska it looks like he has a good motor, always trying to finish the play. Out of curiosity, what do you think of a 4-3 team playing him at outside linebacker? He looked pretty good in coverage, plenty of speed and athleticism, and he'd be a great blitzer.

I just don't think he'd make much of an impact next year at DE because he needs to bulk up to play there. So I don't think that'd fix our DE problem for next year. Every scouting report I've looked at says he has trouble shedding blocks and playing the run. That's due to his size. And if he has trouble with that at the college level, I feel like it'd take at least a year to improve on it in the NFL.

He could play olb, he's not a liability in coverage and can move and tackle well enough in space to play off the line. I think you waste his pass rushing development there. This weak against the run knock is applied to every lanky DE coming out even Aldon Smith. Would he need to put on weight for a 4-3, definitely. Can he with his frame? For sure.

BPA at 10 might just end up being Jernigan....I thought that's where you were going. Hay...I wouldn't blame them if they did it.....they need to make decisions on fairley and suh soon.....Jernigan gives them bargaining power.

but I do agree with you...DE is a big need this off season. We need someone that can beat someone 1 v1. Devin Taylor is a good back up/roll player. But no way in heck he should be getting a majority of the snaps.

Jernigan was the guy I was thinking of when I was talking about dline rising up the board. He has Fairley level talent with the same negatives, conditioning and consistency.

 

[cheeno]

<--- This guy. ESPN's draft gurus piss me off every year around this time. The amount of stock they put into bowl games/workouts compared to ACTUAL competitive play in a season blows my mind every year.

Sgg, the level of analysis now is about as good as any casual college football fan. After the workouts anyone who runs a good 40 is on their radar. They don't actually do any real work. It's the only job I can think of that's better than being Stafford qb coach.

 

[cheeno]

Don't like the idea of drafting a guy in the first that doesn't play every down, but he could be used in pass rush situations with Taylor in run situations.

Our O-line was good last year but we may be switching blocking schemes. Mayhew has done good getting guys that play in the trenches, whats the likely hood of taking a LT and kicking reiff to RT with waddle as the back up?

Drafting more olinemen tends not to be a bad idea. I don't think there is a consensus guy there yet at OT. Will be interesting to see who that is after the senior bowl. I like Jake Matthews. If he's there you have to take him.

 

[michiganalex]

Drafting more olinemen tends not to be a bad idea. I don't think there is a consensus guy there yet at OT. Will be interesting to see who that is after the senior bowl. I like Jake Matthews. If he's there you have to take him.

did wonders for seattle

 

[zyxt9]

I don't know for sure, but I think it'd be more likely that we'd leave Reiff at LT and draft a guy to play RT, leaving Waddle as the backup

Waddle was solid at RT. No need to draft an OT when so many other glaring issues exist. Waddle is proven starter for cheap $$$ and Lions need as many low $$$ starters as possible to counter the Big 3.

Conversely there are untalented starters making more than Waddle who could be traded/released which might be an additional cost benefit.

 

[mhughes0021]

Waddle was solid at RT. No need to draft an OT when so many other glaring issues exist. Waddle is proven starter for cheap $$$ and Lions need as many low $$$ starters as possible to counter the Big 3.

Conversely there are untalented starters making more than Waddle who could be traded/released which might be an additional cost benefit.

he was fine...but he had some off games. Definitely played more than his worth in money which is uncommon for the lions and was refreshing to see. But if Greg Robinson or Matthews is there at 10 and your quarterback struggled as much as he did this year....I think it be tough not to atleast consider an upgrade at RT. Most of our oline play, including waddle, was masked by how fast Stafford released the ball post snap. Which created most of Stafford issues. I think if your going to correct him the obvious answer is hold the ball a bit longer, go through your progressions, and stop looking like a complete unathletic dufus everytime you need to move your feet in the pocket. In order to do that you need oline that can block longer. Im not saying this line cant do that....just saying we didn't see it very much and it may take an upgrade at RT in order to do so.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Waddle was solid at RT. No need to draft an OT when so many other glaring issues exist. Waddle is proven starter for cheap $$$ and Lions need as many low $$$ starters as possible to counter the Big 3.

Conversely there are untalented starters making more than Waddle who could be traded/released which might be an additional cost benefit.

I don't think he meant drafting one in the first round and Waddle had some good games and some bad ones. Not sure I consider him a proven starter.

 

[zyxt9]

It was his first year so he should improve next season while still getting league minimum. Tough to look at that as "the" position needing improvement when there are others of more glaring concern.

 

[cheeno]

You just take the most talented player in round 1 regardless of position. Exceptions if you have a franchise qb or are absolutely stacked. We are not in a position to pick for pure need thanks to Mayhew.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It was his first year so he should improve next season while still getting league minimum. Tough to look at that as "the" position needing improvement when there are others of more glaring concern.

It's okay to get better. How many DE did Seattle get this off-season? Now granted dline rotates and oline doesn't but still. Not all players improve 2nd year.

 

[zyxt9]

I'm not saying an upgrade would be a bad thing at RT, just feel several other positions are more pressing needs and I'm willing to roll the dice on Waddle for another year since he now has a better understanding and feel for position, even with new OC.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

You just take the most talented player in round 1 regardless of position. Exceptions if you have a franchise qb or are absolutely stacked. We are not in a position to pick for pure need thanks to Mayhew.

Ok, Millen.

 

[cheeno]

Gotta love booger's insight and opinion. He has the least pointless input of any poster on the board. Said no one ever.

 

[inkfreq]

Gotta love booger's insight and opinion. He has the least pointless input of any poster on the board. Said no one ever.

This is why my post total is so low. I don't post unless I actually have something to add to a conversation.

There are more than a few posters who should do the same on this board. I figure it won't be long until we get someone responding with "Poopie Head!".

 

[cheeno]

This is why my post total is so low. I don't post unless I actually have something to add to a conversation.

There are more than a few posters who should do the same on this board. I figure it won't be long until we get someone responding with "Poopie Head!".

I'm kind of torn, the bickering seems to be the lifeblood during downtimes. Baseball, Hockey, Basketball, College Sports all have tones of game. But yeah Ink sometimes it just gets totally pointless. You should post more often, we could use some more informed opinions to offset the train derailments.