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Brett Kavanaugh

I'm not even saying that's how it must have played out. I just don't get this take that there's no way the accuser's story could be true and only an idiot would believe it.

I don't know why you don't get that. that story is so outrageous, it's beyond believable for anyone who is not an idiot. For the next accuser to outdo her, Kavanaugh will be at the alter of a DC church, slaughtering chickens and lambs while high school boys in ceremonial robes carry naked teenage girls for him to have his way with while the high school choir sings some weird song and the cheerleading squad chants to egg him on.
 
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it's not. what's difficult to imagine is that "something stupid" would be something so outrageous, everyone involved, even teenagers would show that level of poor judgment.


Something stupid like go to a party where teens are drinking enough to be nearly blackout drunk.



It's not difficult to imagine someone going to many parties like that, only picking up on occasional clues of worse things going on, and then in retrospect, realizing the signs where there all along after they get caught up in it themselves.
 
I don't know why you don't get that. that story is so outrageous, it's beyond believable for anyone who is not an idiot. For the next accuser to outdo her, Kavanaugh will be at the alter of a DC church, slaughtering chickens and lambs while high school boys in ceremonial robes carry naked teenage girls for him to have his way with while the high school choir sings some weird song and the cheerleading squad chants to egg him on.


I don't get it. Try to explain it piece by piece like I'm a complete idiot.
 
Something stupid like go to a party where teens are drinking enough to be nearly blackout drunk.



It's not difficult to imagine someone going to many parties like that, only picking up on occasional clues of worse things going on, and then in retrospect, realizing the signs where there all along after they get caught up in it themselves.

no, something stupid like go to 10 parties where women are routinely drugged and gang raped, not telling anyone that girls are getting gang raped and then only ceasing to attend when you become one of those victims, but not tell anyone about it for 30 years. You have to be pretty dumb to believe that everyone at every one of those parties was either a sociopath or someone so timid that they wouldn't have told someone something and that they would have let it go on.
 
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no, something stupid like go to 10 parties where women are routinely drugged and gang raped, not telling anyone that girls are getting gang raped and then only ceasing to attend when you become one of those victims.


I said "something stupid" with a meaning I should have made clear from the start.


You misinterpreted what I meant and used it to mean something else.


Then I clarified what I actually meant.


Now you're, what?, coming back and telling me what I should have meant by it?


The difference between what I'm saying and what you wish I was saying is when she realized people were being raped. You can't tell from the statements that are available. It could go either way.
 
I said "something stupid" with a meaning I should have made clear from the start.


You misinterpreted what I meant and used it to mean something else.


Then I clarified what I actually meant.


Now you're, what?, coming back and telling me what I should have meant by it?


The difference between what I'm saying and what you wish I was saying is when she realized people were being raped. You can't tell from the statements that are available. It could go either way.

I only misrepresented it if you meant is was possible under different circumstances than the ones that supposedly happened here and then, clearly unintentionally. Anyone who believes this woman's story could have happened as I understand it, is an idiot.
 
Something stupid like go to a party where teens are drinking enough to be nearly blackout drunk.



It's not difficult to imagine someone going to many parties like that, only picking up on occasional clues of worse things going on, and then in retrospect, realizing the signs where there all along after they get caught up in it themselves.

But that isn't the third chick's story - her story is that she was aware that chicks were drunk, drugged and being subjected to train gang bangs from the get go, over a series of a number of occasions, by Kavanaugh, Judge and a whole bunch of other dudes.

We'll see what happens with the Ford/Kavanaugh testimony today.

So far the third chick's story seems the most far fetched; about equal to the two guys who just approached some of the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee and claimed they themselves were the assailants, not Kavanaugh.
 
But that isn't the third chick's story - her story is that she was aware that chicks were drunk, drugged and being subjected to train gang bangs from the get go, over a series of a number of occasions, by Kavanaugh, Judge and a whole bunch of other dudes.

We'll see what happens with the Ford/Kavanaugh testimony today.

So far the third chick's story seems the most far fetched; about equal to the two guys who just approached some of the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee and claimed they themselves were the assailants, not Kavanaugh.


That's the story, but I don't think there's a lot of description about her thought process. Maybe part of the reason she didn't want to tell anyone is because she's not proud of her own behavior there. Maybe she thought the other girls were stupid and/or promiscuous and/or "asking for it" until it happened to her.
 
That's the story, but I don't think there's a lot of description about her thought process. Maybe part of the reason she didn't want to tell anyone is because she's not proud of her own behavior there. Maybe she thought the other girls were stupid and/or promiscuous and/or "asking for it" until it happened to her.

She made a notarized statement; I don't know what legal culpability a false notarized statement carries.

She hasn't requested to testify to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Her spokesperson is that Abolini dude, or whatever his name is, who represents Stormy Daniels - he clearly has a vendetta against all things Trump.

Seems like such a coincidence that a DC area debutante is running in the same circles as a porn star.

That said, I find it incomprehensibly hard to believe that numerous DC area debs - I'm not sure the term for the type of raped when a woman is drugged beyond her will to make legal consent; plus these girls - and guys - presumably all were minors - anyway, this went on time after time after time after time and NOBODY has talked about this before to ANYBODY - not a single other person - let alone making a report to the authorities.
 
She made a notarized statement; I don't know what legal culpability a false notarized statement carries.

She hasn't requested to testify to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Her spokesperson is that Abolini dude, or whatever his name is, who represents Stormy Daniels - he clearly has a vendetta against all things Trump.

Seems like such a coincidence that a DC area debutante is running in the same circles as a porn star.

That said, I find it incomprehensibly hard to believe that numerous DC area debs - I'm not sure the term for the type of raped when a woman is drugged beyond her will to make legal consent; plus these girls - and guys - presumably all were minors - anyway, this went on time after time after time after time and NOBODY has talked about this before to ANYBODY - not a single other person - let alone making a report to the authorities.


I would have found it hard to believe before the Catholic Church scandal, the other church scandals, Penn State, MSU, Baylor, OSU, the rumors of stuff happening in Hollywood getting swept under the rug, the military, Cosby. Now, I think covering things up or victims not coming forward has been far more common than we've thought in the past.
 
I would have found it hard to believe before the Catholic Church scandal, the other church scandals, Penn State, MSU, Baylor, OSU, the rumors of stuff happening in Hollywood getting swept under the rug, the military, Cosby. Now, I think covering things up or victims not coming forward has been far more common than we've thought in the past.

Well...as far as covering things up...these kids were dorky teenagers...they weren't in a position to even cover up their beers with beer coozies.
 
I'm not sure if people are aware, but there is an addition 2nd hand account of this type of thing happening there that doesn't specify whether Kavanaugh was there or not.
After seeing Judge’s denial, Elizabeth Rasor, who met Judge at Catholic University and was in a relationship with him for about three years, said that she felt morally obligated to challenge his account that “ ‘no horseplay’ took place at Georgetown Prep with women.” Rasor stressed that “under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t reveal information that was told in confidence,” but, she said, “I can’t stand by and watch him lie.” In an interview with The New Yorker, she said, “Mark told me a very different story.” Rasor recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman. Rasor said that Judge seemed to regard it as fully consensual. She said that Judge did not name others involved in the incident, and she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh participated. But Rasor was disturbed by the story and noted that it undercut Judge’s protestations about the sexual innocence of Georgetown Prep. (Barbara Van Gelder, an attorney for Judge, said that he “categorically denies” the account related by Rasor. Van Gelder said that Judge had no further comment.)
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...rett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

I'm not claiming things are proven. I just balk at the idea that you'd have to be an idiot to believe any of this.
 
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IMO he was very uncomfortable with most of the questions about drinking and did not answer most of what he was asked on the drinking questions, he did a terrible job on those questions. IMO he likely did drink way too much in HS and was in a drunken stooper on multiple occasions, this doesn't mean he did or didn't have an encounter with ford at a party house but he did not handle those questions very well at all.
 
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I just rewatched the first 10 minutes or so of Kavanaugh because I missed it. He may have cried more than Ford. I don't even know who looks worse for that. Excellent theater Washington. I am fully immersed and distracted.
 
I just rewatched the first 10 minutes or so of Kavanaugh because I missed it. He may have cried more than Ford. I don't even know who looks worse for that. Excellent theater Washington. I am fully immersed and distracted.

It was a great Kibucki theatre performance from all the performers.

Special accolades to Lindsay Graham and Cory Booker.

Truly one of best days of drama in the history of Capitol Hill.
 
I would have found it hard to believe before the Catholic Church scandal, the other church scandals, Penn State, MSU, Baylor, OSU, the rumors of stuff happening in Hollywood getting swept under the rug, the military, Cosby. Now, I think covering things up or victims not coming forward has been far more common than we've thought in the past.

actually the catholic church and other stories like the nasser case, etc make this more unbelievable. my understanding is sexual predators are sexual predators, they dont grow out of that. al those cases involved active cover ups or enablers and inthe case of the church they tried to reform or rehab many of the perpetrators and they pretty much all were still sick predators. thats not the case with kavanaugh - you have a few politically motivated accusers with ZERO witnesses corroborating either the deeds or his alleged predatory character, in fact as far as his character virtually every witness vouches for Kavanaugh and then theres nothing resembling that kind of behavior for the following 30 years plus.
 
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Nothing presented validates the allegation they are moving forward with vote at 9:30am
 
I'm not sure if people are aware, but there is an addition 2nd hand account of this type of thing happening there that doesn't specify whether Kavanaugh was there or not.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...rett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

I'm not claiming things are proven. I just balk at the idea that you'd have to be an idiot to believe any of this.

again, if youre referringto my comments, i said youd have to be an idiot to believe her story in its entirety which is that girls were routinely drugged and gang raped at multiple parties over an extended period and she kept going to them until it happened to her. then nobody ever talked about it, no victim ever tried to get these predators locked up or sued some or even one of these uber rich rapists.

presumably she was not the only nonrapist at these parties and presumably not all nonrapists were black-out drunk and even if they were, one of the rapists especially one who thlught what they were doing was consensual was gonna talk about it and qord would get around. but none of that happened.

i stand by that - youd have to be an idiot to believe it.
 
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Sometimes it isn't clear, trying to pin down what you're saying. Feels like backpeddling. Now the idiots are just the people that don't believe your specific take on her story.

If you believe any of that story is possible...
...sorry but you're an idiot.

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i said youd have to be an idiot to believe her story in its entirety
 
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