cap raised

[grandy]

y would it hurt detroit if he were traded?

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...ion-amortization-cap-hits-dead-money-and-more

 

[mhughes0021]

Wow, I never noticed that. That's makes an extension even more costly than I originally thought, in terms of future cap hits.

We can't keep doing this. We need to take the huge hit this year and another high amount next year. This convinces me Suh is gone.

cant franchise him either the following year or his cap number becomes 28 mil.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He might be our best defensive player but if the team isn't winning I wouldn't be bothered if he went elsewhere..not like we're a championship team, 11 wins in two years.

 

[LKP]

Suh can be 14 million cap number this year with an extension(8 million in room) and 17 million next year. (1 million and 3 base salaries in 2014 and 2015 respetivley, 20 million signing bonus spread over 5 years (4 per) and has 9.1 million on top of that to get to the 14 and 17 numbers. Unnecessary to trade him at those cap numbers. After that (2016), it's all new deal money (his base salary then rises). No problem at all.

Especially if you look at the 2015 commitments at 130 million total cap now.


UNNECESSARY TO TRADE SUH. Look ahead and you'll agree with me. Stop worrying about the %. Lions % of top 5 players is just fine.

 

[LKP]

1+9.1+4=14.1
4+9.1+4=17.1


Not a big deal people. Plenty of room to spare. 2016 it would just be base+4 million.

 

[grandy]

I don't think anyone here is calling for him to be traded.

 

[LKP]

Here is 2015
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/cap-hit/2015/

107 committed+8 million (draft 2014)+4 million (difference Suh at 13 million counting in that 107 number and new cap number (17.1)+2015 draft class that counts (3 million). That's 122 million. Cap 130 million. 8 under the cap less any 2nd year numbers for free agents we sign.


And then you have rollover money in Detroit's favor and you can cut Jason Jones and Chris Houston for 6 million.


And that's with restructuring nobody. They have that option as well.

 

[LKP]

cant franchise him either the following year or his cap number becomes 28 mil.

Which is why you just extend him and everyone wins.

 

[LKP]

worst case is still not even bad.

5 year 65 million deal (25 guaranteed, 20 from a signing bonus). That's 13 per year. 2 million more per than Atkins got. Talking DE money now. Charles Johnson, Clay Matthews etc

1 base +4 signing+9.1=14.1
4 base +4 singing+9.1=17.1
10 base+4 signing=14
13 base +4 signing=17
17 base +4 signing=21 million

20 signing bonus and first two base years guaranteed. That's 25 million guaranteed.

Give him a new deal again before year 5, since year 5 is not guaranteed.

 

[mhughes0021]

worst case is still not even bad.

5 year 65 million deal (25 guaranteed, 20 from a signing bonus). That's 13 per year. 2 million more per than Atkins got. Talking DE money now. Charles Johnson, Clay Matthews etc

1 base +4 signing+9.1=14.1
4 base +4 singing+9.1=17.1
10 base+4 signing=14
13 base +4 signing=17
17 base +4 signing=21 million

20 signing bonus and first two base years guaranteed. That's 25 million guaranteed.

Give him a new deal again before year 5, since year 5 is not guaranteed.

Wed get better production if we just signed a 13 mil per year stud DE and drafted Jernigan at 10 this year.

 

[LKP]

Wed get better production if we just signed a 13 mil per year stud DE and drafted Jernigan at 10 this year.

13 mil per year stud DE don't become available very often. And who knows what Ansah can be. Should have drafted Robert Quinn over Fairley.

 

[LKP]

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/2015/defensive-end/

I can't see Watt or Quin actually being available ni 2015. Texans and Rams will do what it takes to not let them hit the market.

JPP is way too inconsistent. And again Giants probably won't let him go.

Avril and old Osi or some 3-4 DEs.

And Jernigan is no Suh.

 

[mhughes0021]

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/2015/defensive-end/

I can't see Watt or Quin actually being available ni 2015. Texans and Rams will do what it takes to not let them hit the market.

JPP is way too inconsistent. And again Giants probably won't let him go.

Avril and old Osi or some 3-4 DEs.

And Jernigan is no Suh.

Jernigan is nowhere close to suh....but would be paid 11 mil less. I just dont think the highest paid player on your defense should be a dt.

 

[LKP]

Jernigan is nowhere close to suh....but would be paid 11 mil less. I just dont think the highest paid player on your defense should be a dt.

Suh produces close to a DE. He's a "game changer" despite the Lions win/loss record. Really he should get 11-12 per but he can make a case for DE money at 13 per.

Say we let Suh walk, which is proven unnecessary, but that 17 million in cap space (per my 2015 numbe projections), I don't think a bunch of mid tier level free agents is the way to fix the Lions. Keeping Suh and drafting well and being smart who you give the mid tier contracts.

What the Lions are going to do is going to change who they give the mid tier money too (the Bush, Quins, Tullochs, Burlesons of the world).. Delmas (knees) and Burleson (age) didn't deserve it. So they got cut and will be replaced in draft or free agency. In a couple of years, Bush and Tulloch will be old (but we're talking 2/3 drafts to replace those guys). 2015 Jones and Houston(who most hate anyway) are highly cuttable especially if we draft a CB (6.3 million in space). The issue is not Suh, it's being smart with the mid level contracts and drafting well.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's always good to have a guy who takes on multiple offensive lineman. It helps those defensive end..hopefully our new coaches take advantage and have some nice blitz packages.

 

[mhughes0021]

It's always good to have a guy who takes on multiple offensive lineman. It helps those defensive end..hopefully our new coaches take advantage and have some nice blitz packages.

we drafted fairley at #13.....is it too much to ask him to do that stuff? Or did we not get the value we were supposed to get from a high rd 1 pick?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

It's always good to have a guy who takes on multiple offensive lineman. It helps those defensive end..hopefully our new coaches take advantage and have some nice blitz packages.

This.

I am pretty pumped to see if our new DC backs up what he says and dials up some blitzes. I have been waiting for YEARS to see an aggressive Lions defense. Does our personell fit an aggressive scheme....who knows. Should open up Suh, Fairley and Ansah to more 1 on 1 situations and hopefully lead to a few more take aways.

Any aggressive team is going to give up a few big plays.

 

[michiganalex]

Suh produces close to a DE. He's a "game changer" despite the Lions win/loss record. Really he should get 11-12 per but he can make a case for DE money at 13 per.

Say we let Suh walk, which is proven unnecessary, but that 17 million in cap space (per my 2015 numbe projections), I don't think a bunch of mid tier level free agents is the way to fix the Lions. Keeping Suh and drafting well and being smart who you give the mid tier contracts.

What the Lions are going to do is going to change who they give the mid tier money too (the Bush, Quins, Tullochs, Burlesons of the world).. Delmas (knees) and Burleson (age) didn't deserve it. So they got cut and will be replaced in draft or free agency. In a couple of years, Bush and Tulloch will be old (but we're talking 2/3 drafts to replace those guys). 2015 Jones and Houston(who most hate anyway) are highly cuttable especially if we draft a CB (6.3 million in space). The issue is not Suh, it's being smart with the mid level contracts and drafting well.

houston isn't cuttable

 

[grandy]

houston isn't cuttable

In 2015, he is

 

[swami45]

Suh produces close to a DE. He's a "game changer" despite the Lions win/loss record. Really he should get 11-12 per but he can make a case for DE money at 13 per.

Say we let Suh walk, which is proven unnecessary, but that 17 million in cap space (per my 2015 numbe projections), I don't think a bunch of mid tier level free agents is the way to fix the Lions. Keeping Suh and drafting well and being smart who you give the mid tier contracts.

What the Lions are going to do is going to change who they give the mid tier money too (the Bush, Quins, Tullochs, Burlesons of the world).. Delmas (knees) and Burleson (age) didn't deserve it. So they got cut and will be replaced in draft or free agency. In a couple of years, Bush and Tulloch will be old (but we're talking 2/3 drafts to replace those guys). 2015 Jones and Houston(who most hate anyway) are highly cuttable especially if we draft a CB (6.3 million in space). The issue is not Suh, it's being smart with the mid level contracts and drafting well.

Disagree, DT`s should not be paid that much in my opinion. Even Suh is not worth that much. I just don`t value the DT position that much. Heck even Larry Foote said on the Radio today that in his opinion Avril is more valuable than Suh.