Coaching Search Recap

[cheeno]

Mayhew get on the horn.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2014/01/tony_dungy_says_detroit_lions.html

 

[jared]

I just watched the TV replay of that interview. The interesting thing was that in between segments (Dungy was on for two), they go back to the show during the commercial break and you hear the host and guest talking for like 30 seconds.

In that 30 seconds, Dungy said he was on the phone with Mayhew this morning. He also said that he talked with Mayhew last time. Paraphrasing: "he told me he wanted to change the culture, then went out and hired a guy that increased the same culture."

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Mr. Ford needs to open the checkbook and get him here. He'd be one that I think could definitely change the culture and would get a lot more out of guys like Suh and Stafford.

 

[cheeno]

I just watched the TV replay of that interview. The interesting thing was that in between segments (Dungy was on for two), they go back to the show during the commercial break and you hear the host and guest talking for like 30 seconds.

In that 30 seconds, Dungy said he was on the phone with Mayhew this morning. He also said that he talked with Mayhew last time. Paraphrasing: "he told me he wanted to change the culture, then went out and hired a guy that increased the same culture."

Nice. Thanks for the additional info.

 

[cheeno]

Mr. Ford needs to open the checkbook and get him here. He'd be one that I think could definitely change the culture and would get a lot more out of guys like Suh and Stafford.

If we wanted to be consistent winners we could use Dungy. Parallels between Stafford's career and Mannings during he Jim Mora years are astounding. Dungy helped make the Manning we see today. Suh and Stafford if they cared at all about football would respect Dungy.

 

[LKP]

How would you know Schwartz was a complete ass in 2009? You wouldn't. He became a complete ass over time basically after a 5-0 start in 2011.

We don't know how the interviews went.

 

[lgolfer]

I'd love to get Dungy. I admire him as a person, as well as a coach, but I'm almost positive he's not coming out of retirement. I don't think it matters how good a team is, he's done coaching. He doesn't need the money. He won the ultimate prize in the NFL (Super Bowl) and now he can spend time with his family and he has a platform to reach out to other people.

He has 6 remaining kids, as one of his sons committed suicide in 2005. This tragedy has allowed him to positively the impact of others and I don't think he's going to give that up to go back into football. And I respect him for that. If he somehow decides to coach the Lions, I'd be ecstatic, but I won't be holding my breath.

 

[cheeno]

I'd love to get Dungy. I admire him as a person, as well as a coach, but I'm almost positive he's not coming out of retirement. I don't think it matters how good a team is, he's done coaching. He doesn't need the money. He won the ultimate prize in the NFL (Super Bowl) and now he can spend time with his family and he has a platform to reach out to other people.

He has 6 remaining kids, as one of his sons committed suicide in 2005. This tragedy has allowed him to positively the impact of others and I don't think he's going to give that up to go back into football. And I respect him for that. If he somehow decides to coach the Lions, I'd be ecstatic, but I won't be holding my breath.

A man can dream. I'm not excited about the coaches left out there. Hughes had me pumped on O'Brien for a bit but that came crashing to a halt real quick. I was on the Lovie train for awhile, even before we were eliminated, but that ship has sailed. Not a Whisenhunt fan at all, but won't cry if he's our man.

 

[lgolfer]

A man can dream. I'm not excited about the coaches left out there. Hughes had me pumped on O'Brien for a bit but that came crashing to a halt real quick. I was on the Lovie train for awhile, even before we were eliminated, but that ship has sailed. Not a Whisenhunt fan at all, but won't cry if he's our man.

Out of pure curiosity, why don't you like Whisenhunt?

 

[cheeno]

Out of pure curiosity, why don't you like Whisenhunt?

Defensively - either a 3-4 or keeping Gunther doesn't appeal to me.
Offensively - oline coach Washburn will probably be gone since he has a multiple decade relationship with Russ Grimm who may want to bring a power O scheme. Although that has changed from a power o to focus on Woodhead in SD this year which brings me to my next point.
Mike McCoy is one of my personal heros. The guy redesigned an offense and won a playoff game with Tebow and then redesigned it again for Manning after a crucial year off, leading to Mannings success this year and the last. Whisenhunt is getting credit in SD but McCoy is the man. Whisenhunt succeeded with a future HoF qb who already won a Super Bowl, he couldn't develop jack (although Leinhart should not be mistaken for Stafford) and Rothlesburger only developed after he left with Arians.... and traded for Kevin fucking Kolb, talk about a misjudge of talent and signed him to a huge contract. Put MM and him together and you get draft board chaos. Oh and he's best buds with Mayhew leading to no objective judgement. Don't work with your friends. Although they'll both end up being fired if we tank.

That's just the negatives to me, but I'll give him a proper shot to do his thing here and reserve my judgement.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Manning would put up numbers if I was OC.

 

[cheeno]

Manning would put up numbers if I was OC.

You forget all the questions about Manning before he came back, and Tebow? Come on. McCoy is a talented offensive mind and works wonders with qbs. Arians was the hire but they wouldn't let us fire mush mouth last year. Just like the Lions day late dollar short.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Tebow didn't win, the defense won. And the running game won.

 

[cheeno]

Tebow didn't win, the defense won. And the running game won.

They threw out the offensive play book. It was Orton to start, traditional pro offense. Tebow came in with the same offense and I think we beat them 55-17. Fox told McCoy to chuck it and the designed a ball control offense out of the 40s, Denver's D isn't that good - look at this year. Fox won the coach of the year, but McCoy deserves a ton of credit and got it with a head coaching gig which he turned into a playoff berth. Are you suggesting that's all Whisenhunts doing? I would suggest otherwise. But I suppose it's open to interpretation.

 

[lgolfer]

Defensively - either a 3-4 or keeping Gunther doesn't appeal to me.
Offensively - oline coach Washburn will probably be gone since he has a multiple decade relationship with Russ Grimm who may want to bring a power O scheme. Although that has changed from a power o to focus on Woodhead in SD this year which brings me to my next point.
Mike McCoy is one of my personal heros. The guy redesigned an offense and won a playoff game with Tebow and then redesigned it again for Manning after a crucial year off, leading to Mannings success this year and the last. Whisenhunt is getting credit in SD but McCoy is the man. Whisenhunt succeeded with a future HoF qb who already won a Super Bowl, he couldn't develop jack (although Leinhart should not be mistaken for Stafford) and Rothlesburger only developed after he left with Arians.... and traded for Kevin fucking Kolb, talk about a misjudge of talent and signed him to a huge contract. Put MM and him together and you get draft board chaos. Oh and he's best buds with Mayhew leading to no objective judgement. Don't work with your friends. Although they'll both end up being fired if we tank.

That's just the negatives to me, but I'll give him a proper shot to do his thing here and reserve my judgement.

I'd say most of those are valid points. But I don't see any better candidates than Whisenhunt (which I'm guessing is why you said you're not excited about anyone). He was the OC for the Steelers when they won the Super Bowl in 2005 and Roethlisberger was ONLY in his 2nd year.

Also, when the Cardinals made the Super Bowl, it had been 9 years since Kurt Warner had won a Super Bowl,. And after Warner left you're expecting him to develop guys like Derek Anderson, John Skelton, Max Hall, Ryan Lindley, Brian Hoyer, and Kevin Kolb. Kolb is the only one of those 6 QBs that has a decent amount of talent. Leinart couldn't even start a game after Warner left (he got beat out by Derek Anderson).

So while Whisenhunt did get some help and make some mistakes, I hope he's the next head coach of the Lions. And I'm sorry if I attacked your answer too much. I'm glad to know what some of the negatives are, because no one had presented them yet.

 

[Mitchrapp]

They threw out the offensive play book. It was Orton to start, traditional pro offense. Tebow came in with the same offense and I think we beat them 55-17. Fox told McCoy to chuck it and the designed a ball control offense out of the 40s, Denver's D isn't that good - look at this year. Fox won the coach of the year, but McCoy deserves a ton of credit and got it with a head coaching gig which he turned into a playoff berth. Are you suggesting that's all Whisenhunts doing? I would suggest otherwise. But I suppose it's open to interpretation.

All I said was it was the defense and the running game who won games. Regardless what MCCoy did, Tebow sucked. Outside the pass against Pittsburgh he didn't do one good thing on offense.

No one gets credit or fault, Tebow blew.

 

[cheeno]

I'd say most of those are valid points. But I don't see any better candidates than Whisenhunt (which I'm guessing is why you said you're not excited about anyone). He was the OC for the Steelers when they won the Super Bowl in 2005 and Roethlisberger was ONLY in his 2nd year.

Also, when the Cardinals made the Super Bowl, it had been 9 years since Kurt Warner had won a Super Bowl,. And after Warner left you're expecting him to develop guys like Derek Anderson, John Skelton, Max Hall, Ryan Lindley, Brian Hoyer, and Kevin Kolb. Kolb is the only one of those 6 QBs that has a decent amount of talent. Leinart couldn't even start a game after Warner left (he got beat out by Derek Anderson).

So while Whisenhunt did get some help and make some mistakes, I hope he's the next head coach of the Lions. And I'm sorry if I attacked your answer too much. I'm glad to know what some of the negatives are, because no one had presented them yet.

Not at all. I have no issues with anyone excited about Whisenhunt. Of course he has positives and even the negatives I have presented are best guess scenarios or open to debate. I'm not sold and I especially do not like the relationship between Mayhew and Whisenhunt since I am not a Mayhew guy. Another close friend of Mayhew's was head scout Shack Harris and is still on the job despite being behind some of the worst moves for the organization IMO.

 

[cheeno]

All I said was it was the defense and the running game who won games. Regardless what MCCoy did, Tebow sucked. Outside the pass against Pittsburgh he didn't do one good thing on offense.

No one gets credit or fault, Tebow blew.

Tebow was/is terrible, winning with him was a master stroke/hugely lucky. But for me McCoy has to get some of the credit -- or for me the Lions share in SD. Whisenhunt is reaping the rewards of McCoys good coaching, For example I don't believe Whisenhunt wouldn't have harnessed Woodhead the way they have, that is McCoy's fingerprints. Getting the ball to Keenan Allan on crossers, same thing.

 

[cheeno]

I'd say most of those are valid points. But I don't see any better candidates than Whisenhunt (which I'm guessing is why you said you're not excited about anyone). He was the OC for the Steelers when they won the Super Bowl in 2005 and Roethlisberger was ONLY in his 2nd year.

Also, when the Cardinals made the Super Bowl, it had been 9 years since Kurt Warner had won a Super Bowl,. And after Warner left you're expecting him to develop guys like Derek Anderson, John Skelton, Max Hall, Ryan Lindley, Brian Hoyer, and Kevin Kolb. Kolb is the only one of those 6 QBs that has a decent amount of talent. Leinart couldn't even start a game after Warner left (he got beat out by Derek Anderson).

So while Whisenhunt did get some help and make some mistakes, I hope he's the next head coach of the Lions. And I'm sorry if I attacked your answer too much. I'm glad to know what some of the negatives are, because no one had presented them yet.

To be fair Leinhart was drafted 10th overall. But that was before Whisenhunt got there.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Tebow was/is terrible, winning with him was a master stroke/hugely lucky. But for me McCoy has to get some of the credit -- or for me the Lions share in SD. Whisenhunt is reaping the rewards of McCoys good coaching, For example I don't believe Whisenhunt wouldn't have harnessed Woodhead the way they have, that is McCoy's fingerprints. Getting the ball to Keenan Allan on crossers, same thing.

What's his nuts from Baltimore won years ago. I also don't credit their OC or QB coach etc, because the offense sucked as far as Tebow goes. If he worked with the running game then I'll give him credit. Otherwise he just happened to be there..not sure I like Wisenhunt myself, don't know much about him. There was a stretch when Denver's defense were scoring defensive touchdowns left and right.