Comp picks 2014

[michiganalex]

Cb in the first

 

[lgolfer]

Weren't you the dick who is always crowing that we flipped fourths to trade back into the first for puddinghead? Now an actual fourth isn't good enough?

To be fair to LKP, to take Best we moved up 4 spots, from the 34th to the 30th pick. This year to even get back into the 1st round (32nd pick), we'd need to move up 13 picks from our current spot of pick #45. Plus, in order to get HaHa or Calvin Pryor, we'd likely need to move at least into the early 20s, if not late teens.

So basically, moving up 13+ picks would likely cost more than the 4th rounder we gave up to move up 4 picks for Best.

 

[LKP]

Weren't you the dick who is always crowing that we flipped fourths to trade back into the first for puddinghead? Now an actual fourth isn't good enough?

Like lgolfer said. Completely different scenarios. 4 spots in 2010 and under the old CBA where 1st round meant something (paying more money) and now 13 spots and paying less money. Much bigger jump so it will cost more than a 4th like I said about 20 posts ago. Once again I'm right.

 

[cheeno]

Like lgolfer said. Completely different scenarios. 4 spots in 2010 and under the old CBA where 1st round meant something (paying more money) and now 13 spots and paying less money. Much bigger jump so it will cost more than a 4th like I said about 20 posts ago. Once again I'm right.

Oh yeah you are a real genius.

 

[cheeno]

To be fair to LKP, to take Best we moved up 4 spots, from the 34th to the 30th pick. This year to even get back into the 1st round (32nd pick), we'd need to move up 13 picks from our current spot of pick #45. Plus, in order to get HaHa or Calvin Pryor, we'd likely need to move at least into the early 20s, if not late teens.

So basically, moving up 13+ picks would likely cost more than the 4th rounder we gave up to move up 4 picks for Best.

There's no way we are moving into position to take either of those two for a fourth. But in a draft this deep it wouldn't surprise me if a team packaged late round picks to teams picking later in the draft that like to stockpile them. SF is pretty set (they have a dozen or so picks) but the way they got there is that they have taken on the mentality that any extra pick is a good one, a growing trend these past few years. SF did the reverse last year, shipping one of those stockpiled picks to move up exactly 13 spots from 31 to Dallas' 18 spot for the mid/late third round pick they got from Carolina.

NE or Seattle could bite and take a TE or WR (both needs for either team) where there is a ton of depth and not blink an eye picking up a key fourth+ where they can do damage with good volume draft strategies. If either of those two positions are their target why not wait and have your pick of guys like Matthews, Moncrief, Amaro, Jenkins, etc. Would NE take Matthews and Richburg over Beckham? They might and that's just one potential scenario.

Certainly moving back into the first is not a given. All in all though it is certainly possible to move back into the first and it will likely cost less than we may think or the quote unquote chart value. I will bet that it happens once or twice this year and some of the later drafting teams make their first pick on day two. It's a case of where the rich can get richer.

Oh and LKP...By the way we didn't give up a 4th rounder to get Best (you are mistaken golfer) we switched 4th round positions and it cost us a 7th. I thought you were Mr. Know it All, especially when it comes to defending your BFF's dumb moves?

 

[LKP]

There's no way we are moving into position to take either of those two for a fourth. But in a draft this deep it wouldn't surprise me if a team packaged late round picks to teams that like to stockpile them. Although SF is pretty set (they have a dozen or so picks) they have taken on the mentality that any extra pick is a good one these past few years. NE or Seattle could bite and take a TE or WR where there is a ton of depth and not blink an eye picking up a key fourth or fifth where they can do damage with good volume draft strategies. If either of those two positions are their target why not wait and have your pick of guys like Matthews, Moncrief, Amaro, Jenkins, etc. just one potential scenario.

By the way we didn't give up a forth rounder to get Best we switched fourth round positions and gave up a seventh. I thought you were Mr. Know it All. Especially when it comes to defending your BFF's dumb moves?

I never said we gave up a 4th in 2010. I know what happened. I know when we have traded down too. With Levy in the 3rd, getting a 4th (Sammie Lee Hill), with Ronnel Lewis getting a 6th (Jonte Green) and with Sam Martin (getting a 6th) Theo Riddick.

 

[cheeno]

Oh yeah you are a real genius.

Like lgolfer said. Completely different scenarios. 4 spots in 2010 and under the old CBA where 1st round meant something (paying more money) and now 13 spots and paying less money. Much bigger jump so it will cost more than a 4th like I said about 20 posts ago. Once again I'm right.

I never said we gave up a 4th in 2010. I know what happened. I know when we have traded down too. With Levy in the 3rd, getting a 4th (Sammie Lee Hill), with Ronnel Lewis getting a 6th (Jonte Green) and with Sam Martin (getting a 6th) Theo Riddick.

Funny that's not what I read. I'd dig through your original comment "twenty posts ago" too but frankly I could care less.

 

[lgolfer]

There's no way we are moving into position to take either of those two for a fourth. But in a draft this deep it wouldn't surprise me if a team packaged late round picks to teams that like to stockpile them. SF is pretty set (they have a dozen or so picks) but the way they got there is that they have taken on the mentality that any extra pick is a good one, a growing trend these past few years. SF did the reverse last year, shipping one of those stockpiled picks to move up exactly 13 spots from 31 to Dallas' 18 spot for the mid/late third round pick they got from Carolina.

NE or Seattle could bite and take a TE or WR where there is a ton of depth and not blink an eye picking up a key fourth or fifth where they can do damage with good volume draft strategies. If either of those two positions are their target why not wait and have your pick of guys like Matthews, Moncrief, Amaro, Jenkins, etc. Would NE take Matthews and Richburg over Beckham? They might and that's just one potential scenario.

Certainly moving back into the first is not a given. All in all though it is certainly possible to move back into the first and it will likely cost less than you all may realize. I will bet that it happens once or twice this year and some of the later drafting teams make their first pick on day two. It's a case of where the rich can get richer.

Oh and LKP...By the way we didn't give up a 4th rounder to get Best (you are mistaken golfer) we switched 4th round positions and it cost us a 7th. I thought you were Mr. Know it All, especially when it comes to defending your BFF's dumb moves?

I admit, I wrote that incorrectly. I meant we swapped the 4th and gave up the 7th. I must've not been thinking about that as much since it wasn't the main point of my post.

 

[mhughes0021]

The real point should be....what dumbass moves up to get a rb? TWICE!

 

[cheeno]

I admit, I wrote that incorrectly. I meant we swapped the 4th and gave up the 7th. I must've not been thinking about that as much since it wasn't the main point of my post.

My point is that an actual additional 4th is more valuable than swapping 4ths and that got us back into the first. Moving up with Seattle or NE may cost a 3rd or maybe a 4th and a 5th maybe you go Inks route and pick the player they want with our comp pick and give up two 4ths. All hypotheticals but plausible. I'm not trying to argue with you golfer, it's a legit point that it may take more than a 4th, but it seems to me extra picks are more valuable than positioning to many a team's approach to the draft. Especially successful ones with few holes.

 

[lgolfer]

My point is that an actual additional 4th is more valuable than swapping 4ths and that got us back into the first. Moving up with Seattle or NE may cost a 3rd or maybe a 4th and a 5th maybe you go Inks route and pick the player they want with our comp pick and give up two 4ths. All hypotheticals but plausible. I'm not trying to argue with you golfer, it's a legit point that it may take more than a 4th, but it seems to me extra picks are more valuable than positioning to many a team's approach to the draft. Especially successful ones with few holes.

You are correct that a 4th is more valuable than swapping 4ths, obviously. It would be a possibility worth exploring further. But if we wanted to get back into the early 20s, I think we'd have to give up more than a 4th. If we're talking New England's #29 pick, then maybe a 4th would be enough, but I don't really know.

 

[mhughes0021]

You are correct that a 4th is more valuable than swapping 4ths, obviously. It would be a possibility worth exploring further. But if we wanted to get back into the early 20s, I think we'd have to give up more than a 4th. If we're talking New England's #29 pick, then maybe a 4th would be enough, but I don't really know.

why would we trade so many picks to get a safety? we already have 2 safties. this would be millenesque at its best.

 

[cheeno]

You are correct that a 4th is more valuable than swapping 4ths, obviously. It would be a possibility worth exploring further. But if we wanted to get back into the early 20s, I think we'd have to give up more than a 4th. If we're talking New England's #29 pick, then maybe a 4th would be enough, but I don't really know.

No one does. We'll see what I takes to move back into the first on draft day though, I have got to believe it happens.

 

[cheeno]

why would we trade so many picks to get a safety? we already have 2 safties. this would be millenesque at its best.

Pryor for a fourth. Hell yeah I would do that. Deebo is 31 by the end of the year and only signed for 2 years. Plus if Don Carey ever plays safety I will dry hump a cheese grater.

 

[mhughes0021]

Pryor for a fourth. Hell yeah I would do that. Deebo is 31 by the end of the year and only signed for 2 years. Plus if Don Carey ever plays safety I will dry hump a cheese grater.

can we get to 20ish with our 2nd and a 4th? sorry I haven't read thru all your guys posts....

 

[cheeno]

can we get to 20ish with our 2nd and a 4th? sorry I haven't read thru all your guys posts....

Naw. Just wishful thinking. I'd give up more for Pryor myself, but they are going to likely grab a safety late now. Mitch will be mad.

 

[mhughes0021]

I like pryor and haha. but if were going to make that kinda move I think my target would be moncrief, shazier, ealy or ford. Later 1st round type talent that fills a hole and we don't have to give up as much value.

 

[LKP]

Minnesota went from 52 to 29 last year (Lions are 45) and Minnesota had to give up their 2nd, 3rd and 4th and 7th. I don't know what you guys are smoking to think we can give up a 2nd and 4th only.

 

[cheeno]

I like pryor and haha. but if were going to make that kinda move I think my target would be moncrief, shazier, ealy or ford. Later 1st round type talent that fills a hole and we don't have to give up as much value.

I'd be happy with Ealy at 10!

 

[cheeno]

Minnesota went from 52 to 29 last year (Lions are 45) and Minnesota had to give up their 2nd, 3rd and 4th and 7th. I don't know what you guys are smoking to think we can give up a 2nd and 4th only.

Oh you're back? We've kind of moved on. Go whack off to Mayhew's press conference or whatever you were doing.