Could Urban be FIRED?

[Michchamp]

some interesting background on how McMurphy put the story together, and why it was posted on his facebook profile, instead of on ESPN (link).

the whole thing was a huge F.U. to espn!

 

[Gulo Blue]

some interesting background on how McMurphy put the story together, and why it was posted on his facebook profile, instead of on ESPN (link).

the whole thing was a huge F.U. to espn!

From the article

If you ask Ohio State fans, I know they?re opinion...

 

[Gulo Blue]

McMurphy posted 12 anonymous AD comments on the situation:

AD 1: ?In today?s landscape, the (Ohio State) president is scared shitless. The presidents and ADs were fired at Penn State and Baylor. When the president decides this starts going downhill and lies can be proven, then everyone will run for the hills. They can?t let it get out of hand because then you don?t know where it goes. If Ohio State can fire Woody Hayes and Jim Tressel, it can fire Urban Meyer.?
AD 2: ?I?m sure they?d love to keep him, but they have to first protect the university.?
AD 3: ?It looks like a smart move in this case to provide a layer of objectivity and separation regardless of the outcome.?
AD 4: ?No, there?s no way you can keep him. Believe me, they?re trying to see how far and wide people knew ? who knew what and when did they know. If they keep him, the onslaught will never end.?
AD 5: ?I think they will keep him if they can?t 100 percent fire with cause, because they don?t want to pay him.?
AD 6: ?I think they are trying to get a clear understanding of all the facts before determining the next steps.?
AD 7: ?There are many considerations/consequences and possible legal challenges to various aspects of the decision they could make. They will want to know all of that before conclusion. Ione would have to believe their goal is total integrity/credibility in final analysis, not popularity. They will want to stand strong behind whatever decision they reach.?
AD 8: ?I think they want to cover for whatever decision they come up with. The three board members and three outsiders gives good balance and is a defensible position on the outcome.?
AD 9: ?I believe they are trying to get to an objective truth and set of facts. It will take quite a bit of time and discovery (phone records, emails, documents from lots of people and sources etc.) to get to a point that he institution and board feels that they have a case for a solid and defensible decision (or grounds for defense from the counter suit if they fire him) either way.?
AD 10: ?Ohio State can?t afford to bring him back and then a year later something comes out. You did the first story, by now there?s 100 reporters trying to find anything new. When you have that many people looking they?re going to dig and dig and when you did that much, you?re going to find dirt. Nobody?s perfect.?
AD 11: ?I think they are handling exactly like they should with an independent group. Investigation has to be from outside athletics, trustees and board. Good job putting this group together.?
AD 12: ?This decision (on Meyer?s future) will be a true measure on the morality of college football in today?s landscape. That?s the reality. If he remains their coach, we?ve all lost our minds.?
AD 13: ?This is obviously big and three insiders and three respected outsiders will give the investigation credence. I think they are just looking to do it right.?
AD 14: ?You have to uncover everything based on how they?ve handled it so far, so the assistant?s (jobs) also could be at risk if they knew about it.?
AD 15: ?Separately, I imagine there is talk of settlement at some level ? but I?d be surprised if Urban gives in anytime soon.?
AD 16: ?This sets up as ?CYA? if they want to keep him. But they are smart to have someone else adjudicate this given how Baylor and Penn State initially handled their cases (which resulted in the presidents and athletic directors getting fired).?

 

[hungry]

- I think the timing here could indicate which way OSU is going with this. if it wraps up relatively quickly, that's a tacit acknowledgment that Meyer (amd maybe even the OSU admin) were aware of this all along and just going to reach a handshake agreement and go their own ways.

- a week plus means each side didn't like the other's offer has lawyered up and are estimating chances of success - but only to better position themselves in a settlement negotiation

- over a week or so... OSU is going to retain Meyer, and waiting until the press dies down a bit or some positive news "leaks" before making the announcement.

- I was thinking Meyer really has them over a barrel in terms of the coaching situation.... they can't name either of his top assistants HC because of their past issues, and it's way too late to bring in a new HC and hire staff. Did Meyer follow the Nixonian playbook here? Make yourself Impeachment Proof by picking a VP no one wants? Here he picked Schiano and Wilson in spite of their issues...

would OSU fire Meyer knowing they're flushing an entire season down the drain?

They'd be fine with Day. It's all the same players, right?

 

[hungry]

If this is a bona fide investigation, then OSU has to interview all the relevent parties, and some of them, like Zach Smith, may or may not cooperate. If they don't work for you, they don't have to voluntarily talk to you.

They also have to subpoena cell phone records and review all that, which will take time.

I still don't know if the OSU admin really wants Meyer gone, or just wants to wait for this to simmer down to announce their investigation is complete and they're retaining him.

The contract might say they can fire Meyer w/out any further compensation due him, but that doesn't mean they will.

From what I've read, Zach Smith wants to cooperate. Something about some tweets or comments saying that if he went down, he was going to take everyone down with him.

Well...

 

[hungry]

OK. I've said nice things about the Buckeyes posting reasonable reactions. But I also don't want to give the impression there aren't voices bending over backwards to make Meyer the good guy.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2018/08/94876/the-ethics-of-courtney-smith

This exploration the Courtney Smith's ethics describes how she was ethical in keeping things quiet so that Zach Smith could remain employed and support her children financially. Which is a prelude to the following mental gymnastics: if it's ethical for Courtney Smith to keep it quiet/keep Zach employed, then

OSU fan at work was all victim shaming, talking about how she "has issues." "After listening to her, she obviously has issues. Why didn't she go to the police? Why aren't we mad at the police? Why aren't we mad at Courtney Smith's parents for encouraging Courtney to not go to the police?"

 

[hungry]

there's an article on yahoo.com sports that actually has some new information.

I can't find it on my phone, but it's written by Pete Thamel

basically osu has empaneled an investigative board consisting of three university trustees, and two former assistant US attorneys for ohio, to investigate and make a decision on Meyer's employment. article only provides names of the attorneys; not sure what his sources were

This will take longer... although I'd imagine they'd still want to wrap it up before football season starts.

In theory, this panel should be unbiased, and neutral in their ruling. This would give OSU cover IF Meyer is retained of course, but may also make it more likely he would be fired, than if the athletic department handled it.

Yeah, real neutral. I was told they are all from the Columbus area...hurr

 

[hungry]

wrong word. they can't subpoena it as a court proceeding, but they can get phone records if they own the devices. I don't actually do investigations, so I don't know the specifics.

if urb and shelley weren't using university owned devices, they obviously have leverage to compel them to turn this stuff over as part of the investigation... if they don't cooperate, he's fired.

Yeah. OSU fan at work was all, "Why would they have to turn over cell phone records? They can't force them to."

OK, don't cooperate...you're fired for not cooperating.

 

[hungry]

some interesting background on how McMurphy put the story together, and why it was posted on his facebook profile, instead of on ESPN (link).

the whole thing was a huge F.U. to espn!

Yea. He was fired from ESPN 2 weeks ago

He wants to stay relevant, though

so...Urban Meyer!!!

 

[tinselwolverine]

OSU fan at work was all victim shaming, talking about how she "has issues." "After listening to her, she obviously has issues. Why didn't she go to the police? Why aren't we mad at the police? Why aren't we mad at Courtney Smith's parents for encouraging Courtney to not go to the police?"

According to this she - or somebody - went to the police a number of times.

The website linked to seems to have some association with The Cleveland Plain Dealer, the local paper of record there.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Statement from Meyer, looks like he's working to stay. Admitting he knew, but also claiming to have reported what he was supposed to report (without specifying what that was specifically.)



https://twitter.com/OSUCoachMeyer/status/1025477101779075072/photo/1

 

[Gulo Blue]

So Meyer knows, and whoever he reported to knows, and they kept Smith on staff. If it wasn't a Title IX issue before, I think it is now, unless he's going to say he didn't know the extent of it.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Statement from Meyer, looks like he's working to stay. Admitting he knew, but also claiming to have reported what he was supposed to report (without specifying what that was specifically.)



https://twitter.com/OSUCoachMeyer/status/1025477101779075072/photo/1

In my first two posts on this thread, #6 and #17, this is virtually, word for word, EXACTLY (he goes into a little more detail) what I predicted he was going to respond.

And this seems to be pretty much his first response except agreeing with the administrative leave was the best thing while the investigation would be ongoing.

So we'll see.

If he really did what he was supposed to do, I don't know that he did anything wrong.

So we'll see.

In a sensitive and personal matter I don't see how a public person who runs an organization should necessarily not be held responsible for not disclosing to the press everything he might know about a situation.

The media isn't the police or a court or his higher ups in the institution.

EDIT: Okay, his response was a certainly more polite and politically correct and contrite and appropriately didn't have the sarcasm I humorously included - but it's still basically the same response.

 

[Michchamp]

Statement from Meyer, looks like he's working to stay. Admitting he knew, but also claiming to have reported what he was supposed to report (without specifying what that was specifically.)



https://twitter.com/OSUCoachMeyer/status/1025477101779075072/photo/1

I can really relate to where he's coming from.

I know if someone asked me a simple yes/no question like "did you knowingly keep a wife beater on your staff for 9 years?" I would also need days to prepare the correct answer. Otherwise I might mistakenly answer "no" when I mean "yes."

 

[Gulo Blue]

I can really relate to where he's coming from.

I know if someone asked me a simple yes/no question like "did you knowingly keep a wife beater on your staff for 9 years?" I would also need days to prepare the correct answer. Otherwise I might mistakenly answer "no" when I mean "yes."

I don't see why you would.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If he really did what he was supposed to do, I don't know that he did anything wrong.

Both he and whoever he reported to decided to keep Smith on staff. That's a problem unless they can roll back what they claim to have been aware of - like they knew there was something but thought it was whatever is analogous to horseplay in this situation.

 

[hungry]

According to this she - or somebody - went to the police a number of times.

The website linked to seems to have some association with The Cleveland Plain Dealer, the local paper of record there.

Yeah, that is why we should be mad at the police and not Urban...

 

[Michchamp]

The best possible scenario for entertainment purposes:

-OSU wants Meyer gone.

-Meyer wants to stay and fights dirty by constantly going public and making himself out to be a victim (like this)

-This drags on all season and OSU goes 3-9 (0-9 in conference) because of all the distractions, including Urban showing up in a fake mustache and glasses and trying to coach on a gameday

-They finally fire Urban, and he sues, and they counter sue and that drags on for another season, and they go 3-9 (0-9) again.

-each resulting decision is appealed all the way to the Ohio Supreme court

-Their replacement for Meyer is John Cooper v 2.0

 

[hungry]

I knew, but I kept him on staff until last friday...

even though on saturday, I claimed I didn't know...

 

[hungry]

OSU fan

He made a statement now about how he knew, so he is going to be ok now

The only reason Urban finally fired the guy was, because of the trespassing thing where they caught him in her and her boyfriend's backyard spying on them. It was ok to ignore 10 years of violence, but that was the final straw...