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[tonyballs]

Suh blows....didnt even hear his name said once until his sack. Doubles schmubles....ur a top pick...play like it.

There it is! You scared me for a minute there, man. "Sack"...your favorite word and benchmark when evaluating DLineman...especially a DT.

Please, don't ever do that to me again...ok?

 

[mhughes0021]

There it is! You scared me for a minute there, man. "Sack"...your favorite word and benchmark when evaluating DLineman...especially a DT.

Please, don't ever do that to me again...ok?

Srsly though lol. The cardinals oline is in shambles...they are amongst the leaders in sacks given up, and they're starting a rookie qb.....yet our dline is nowhere to be found for most of the game. They're awful.

 

[zyxt9]

i put blame on GC...blitz ever? how about 1 DL stunt? no? great job!

these coaches r doing great at draft position this year

 

[tonyballs]

Srsly though lol. The cardinals oline is in shambles...they are amongst the leaders in sacks given up, and they're starting a rookie qb.....yet our dline is nowhere to be found for most of the game. They're awful.

I hear you. They were terrible. They gave up entirely.

 

[zyxt9]

working hard for that top 5 pick. might even be able to get the #3...which would be awesome! especially with the weak draft class, get the pick of the litter at #3. i look for them to trade up their R2 pick to get back into R1 again too.

they learned from their mistake a few years ago when they could have been in top 5 but had to go and win their last 4 and ended up getting Fairley instead of being in position to get an immediate starter to fill positions of actual need. granted fairley has been improving of late, it took 2.5 years to see that return. lions need immediate impact guys and top 5 is where that happens with all R1-R3 guys if they draft right.

oh, right...it's the lions. maybe they can get 1 guy who will start immediately and permanently. maybe. but at a minimum they will be cheaper due to rookie cap!!!

 

[Mitchrapp]

working hard for that top 5 pick. might even be able to get the #3...which would be awesome! especially with the weak draft class, get the pick of the litter at #3. i look for them to trade up their R2 pick to get back into R1 again too.

they learned from their mistake a few years ago when they could have been in top 5 but had to go and win their last 4 and ended up getting Fairley instead of being in position to get an immediate starter to fill positions of actual need. granted fairley has been improving of late, it took 2.5 years to see that return. lions need immediate impact guys and top 5 is where that happens with all R1-R3 guys if they draft right.

oh, right...it's the lions. maybe they can get 1 guy who will start immediately and permanently. maybe. but at a minimum they will be cheaper due to rookie cap!!!

No way they get to 3. Can't see Philly winning against the NYG or the Skins. Maybe 4 if Oakland beats SD but that's about it.

 

[Diggler Cometh]

No way they get to 3. Can't see Philly winning against the NYG or the Skins. Maybe 4 if Oakland beats SD but that's about it.

You can't see philly beating Kork coupons? Lol

 

[Mitchrapp]

You canAnd 't see philly beating Kork coupons? Lol

Philly has looked worst than us. And K. Coupons looked solid against Cleveland and Cleveland is a better team than Philly. So yeah, they ain't beating them.

 

[mhughes0021]

working hard for that top 5 pick. might even be able to get the #3...which would be awesome! especially with the weak draft class, get the pick of the litter at #3. i look for them to trade up their R2 pick to get back into R1 again too.

they learned from their mistake a few years ago when they could have been in top 5 but had to go and win their last 4 and ended up getting Fairley instead of being in position to get an immediate starter to fill positions of actual need. granted fairley has been improving of late, it took 2.5 years to see that return. lions need immediate impact guys and top 5 is where that happens with all R1-R3 guys if they draft right.

oh, right...it's the lions. maybe they can get 1 guy who will start immediately and permanently. maybe. but at a minimum they will be cheaper due to rookie cap!!!

Fairley playing like hes supposed to play for a couple games then getting injured again doesnt really take him out of the "why the fuck did we draft him again?" category for me. Ill say this again since tony loves it so much.....if Suh gets all the doubles and he still has more sacks than Fairley. Then to me.....Fairley isnt playing all that well. Yes...i know that sacks arent the end all statistic for the DT position. But the bottom line for our dline that is supposed to be "the best in the league" lmao......is youre supposed to get to the quarterback. This dline doesnt do a very good job of getting to the qb.

 

[tonyballs]

Fairley playing like hes supposed to play for a couple games then getting injured again doesnt really take him out of the "why the fuck did we draft him again?" category for me. Ill say this again since tony loves it so much.....if Suh gets all the doubles and he still has more sacks than Fairley. Then to me.....Fairley isnt playing all that well. Yes...i know that sacks arent the end all statistic for the DT position. But the bottom line for our dline that is supposed to be "the best in the league" lmao......is youre supposed to get to the quarterback. This dline doesnt do a very good job of getting to the qb.

Yes, i do love it. You know why? Because you can't help yourself...lol.

A couple of games for Fairley? Holy shit, man...please.

 

[mhughes0021]

Yes, i do love it. You know why? Because you can't help yourself...lol.

A couple of games for Fairley? Holy shit, man...please.

then wheres the production if hes consistently been a beast? I like how everyone says statistics dont mean anything for guys like fairley and suh. Well if no one is producing then how the hell are they doing good? lol.

 

[mhughes0021]

currently in 4th. titus goes full retard, logan ever touches the field, one of the only players playing decent mysteriously goes on IR in fairley. These cant be coincidences. Either schwartz is the worst coach ever or he saw how bad we were and tanked the last 7 games. I commend such a genious plan! We now have one of the worst dlines in the NFL....start scouting which DE you want. AKA....get ready to pick a rb or wr.


* - Atlanta 13 2 0 .867 7-0-0 6-2-0 3-2-0 9-2-0 402 277 +125 Won 2
z - Houston 12 3 0 .800 6-2-0 6-1-0 5-0-0 10-1-0 400 303 +97 Lost 1
z - Denver 12 3 0 .800 6-1-0 6-2-0 5-0-0 9-2-0 443 286 +157 Won 10
z - Green Bay 11 4 0 .733 7-1-0 4-3-0 5-0-0 8-3-0 399 299 +100 Won 4
z - New England 11 4 0 .733 5-2-0 6-2-0 5-0-0 10-1-0 529 331 +198 Won 1
x - San Francisco 10 4 1 .700 5-1-1 5-3-0 2-2-1 6-4-1 370 260 +110 Lost 1
z - Baltimore 10 5 0 .667 6-2-0 4-3-0 4-1-0 8-3-0 381 321 +60 Won 1
x - Seattle 10 5 0 .667 7-0-0 3-5-0 2-3-0 7-4-0 392 232 +160 Won 4
y - Indianapolis 10 5 0 .667 6-1-0 4-4-0 3-2-0 7-4-0 329 371 -42 Won 1
Washington 9 6 0 .600 4-3-0 5-3-0 4-1-0 7-4-0 408 370 +38 Won 6
y - Cincinnati 9 6 0 .600 3-4-0 6-2-0 2-3-0 6-5-0 368 303 +65 Won 2
Chicago 9 6 0 .600 5-3-0 4-3-0 2-3-0 6-5-0 349 253 +96 Won 1
Minnesota 9 6 0 .600 6-1-0 3-5-0 3-2-0 6-5-0 342 314 +28 Won 3
NY Giants 8 7 0 .533 5-2-0 3-5-0 2-3-0 7-4-0 387 337 +50 Lost 2
Dallas 8 7 0 .533 4-4-0 4-3-0 3-2-0 5-6-0 358 372 -14 Lost 1
St. Louis 7 7 1 .500 4-4-0 3-3-1 4-0-1 6-4-1 286 328 -42 Won 1
Miami 7 8 0 .467 5-3-0 2-5-0 2-3-0 5-6-0 288 289 -1 Won 2
Pittsburgh 7 8 0 .467 4-3-0 3-5-0 2-3-0 4-7-0 312 304 +8 Lost 3
New Orleans 7 8 0 .467 4-3-0 3-5-0 3-2-0 5-6-0 423 410 +13 Won 2
San Diego 6 9 0 .400 2-5-0 4-4-0 3-2-0 6-5-0 326 329 -3 Won 1
NY Jets 6 9 0 .400 3-5-0 3-4-0 2-3-0 4-7-0 272 347 -75 Lost 2
Tampa Bay 6 9 0 .400 3-5-0 3-4-0 2-3-0 3-8-0 367 377 -10 Lost 5
Carolina 6 9 0 .400 3-5-0 3-4-0 2-3-0 4-7-0 313 325 -12 Won 3
Tennessee 5 10 0 .333 3-4-0 2-6-0 0-5-0 4-7-0 292 451 -159 Lost 1
Buffalo 5 10 0 .333 3-4-0 2-6-0 1-4-0 4-7-0 316 426 -110 Lost 3
Cleveland 5 10 0 .333 4-4-0 1-6-0 2-3-0 5-6-0 292 344 -52 Lost 2
Arizona 5 10 0 .333 4-4-0 1-6-0 1-4-0 3-8-0 237 330 -93 Lost 1
Oakland 4 11 0 .267 3-5-0 1-6-0 2-3-0 4-7-0 269 419 -150 Lost 1
Detroit 4 11 0 .267 2-5-0 2-6-0 0-5-0 3-8-0 348 411 -63 Lost 7
Philadelphia 4 11 0 .267 2-6-0 2-5-0 1-4-0 2-9-0 273 402 -129 Lost 2
Jacksonville 2 13 0 .133 1-7-0 1-6-0 2-3-0 2-9-0 235 406 -171 Lost 4
Kansas City 2 13 0 .133 1-7-0 1-6-0 0-5-0 0-11-0 208 387 -179 Lost 3

 

[Mitchrapp]

Still 5 but round two we're 4 and round 3 we're 3.

 

[zyxt9]

Still 5 but round two we're 4 and round 3 we're 3.

Awesome! We can use both of those to move back into R1 and get an injury prone RB-to go with the injury prone WR we get with top 5 pick.

Looking forward to it!

Oh, maybe we can trade rest of picks to move into late R4 to get an injury prone S to be next to Delmas...on IR.

Sweeeeeet!!!

 

[tonyballs]

then wheres the production if hes consistently been a beast? I like how everyone says statistics dont mean anything for guys like fairley and suh. Well if no one is producing then how the hell are they doing good? lol.

Never said he was consistently a beast. I said he's had more than 2 good games. And stop putting words in peoples mouths. NOBODY said stats mean nothing. You're the one who analyzes DLineman based on sacks...don't deny it. My self and a few others see players like Suh and Fairley and we see these guys being "disruptive", flushing QBs out of the pocket, making a RB change direction, taking on double-teams and occasionally making a great play with a tackle for loss or your favorite word - SACK. Again, being DISRUPTIVE. Pretty much what a DT in the NFL is supposed to do.

Fairley was coming into his own this year. He was ballin' at one point. Two games? You're delusional, man...c'mon now.

 

[mhughes0021]

4th for now. rooting for oak to beat SD or else we slide to 5th.

NFL W L T PCT HOME ROAD DIV CONF PF PA DIFF STRK
* - Atlanta 13 3 0 .813 7-1-0 6-2-0 3-3-0 9-3-0 419 299 +120 Lost 1
z - Denver 12 3 0 .800 6-1-0 6-2-0 5-0-0 9-2-0 443 286 +157 Won 10
z - Houston 12 4 0 .750 6-2-0 6-2-0 5-1-0 10-2-0 416 331 +85 Lost 2
z - Green Bay 11 4 0 .733 7-1-0 4-3-0 5-0-0 8-3-0 399 299 +100 Won 4
z - New England 11 4 0 .733 5-2-0 6-2-0 5-0-0 10-1-0 529 331 +198 Won 1
x - San Francisco 10 4 1 .700 5-1-1 5-3-0 2-2-1 6-4-1 370 260 +110 Lost 1
y - Indianapolis 11 5 0 .688 7-1-0 4-4-0 4-2-0 8-4-0 357 387 -30 Won 2
x - Seattle 10 5 0 .667 7-0-0 3-5-0 2-3-0 7-4-0 392 232 +160 Won 4
z - Baltimore 10 6 0 .625 6-2-0 4-4-0 4-2-0 8-4-0 398 344 +54 Lost 1
Chicago 10 6 0 .625 5-3-0 5-3-0 3-3-0 7-5-0 375 277 +98 Won 2
y - Cincinnati 10 6 0 .625 4-4-0 6-2-0 3-3-0 7-5-0 391 320 +71 Won 3
Washington 9 6 0 .600 4-3-0 5-3-0 4-1-0 7-4-0 408 370 +38 Won 6
Minnesota 9 6 0 .600 6-1-0 3-5-0 3-2-0 6-5-0 342 314 +28 Won 3
NY Giants 9 7 0 .563 6-2-0 3-5-0 3-3-0 8-4-0 429 344 +85 Won 1
Dallas 8 7 0 .533 4-4-0 4-3-0 3-2-0 5-6-0 358 372 -14 Lost 1
Pittsburgh 8 8 0 .500 5-3-0 3-5-0 3-3-0 5-7-0 336 314 +22 Won 1
St. Louis 7 7 1 .500 4-4-0 3-3-1 4-0-1 6-4-1 286 328 -42 Won 1
Miami 7 8 0 .467 5-3-0 2-5-0 2-3-0 5-6-0 288 289 -1 Won 2
New Orleans 7 9 0 .438 4-4-0 3-5-0 3-3-0 5-7-0 461 454 +7 Lost 1
Carolina 7 9 0 .438 3-5-0 4-4-0 3-3-0 5-7-0 357 363 -6 Won 4
Tampa Bay 7 9 0 .438 3-5-0 4-4-0 3-3-0 4-8-0 389 394 -5 Won 1
San Diego 6 9 0 .400 2-5-0 4-4-0 3-2-0 6-5-0 326 329 -3 Won 1
Tennessee 6 10 0 .375 4-4-0 2-6-0 1-5-0 5-7-0 330 471 -141 Won 1
Buffalo 6 10 0 .375 4-4-0 2-6-0 2-4-0 5-7-0 344 435 -91 Won 1
NY Jets 6 10 0 .375 3-5-0 3-5-0 2-4-0 4-8-0 281 375 -94 Lost 3
Arizona 5 10 0 .333 4-4-0 1-6-0 1-4-0 3-8-0 237 330 -93 Lost 1
Cleveland 5 11 0 .313 4-4-0 1-7-0 2-4-0 5-7-0 302 368 -66 Lost 3
Oakland 4 11 0 .267 3-5-0 1-6-0 2-3-0 4-7-0 269 419 -150 Lost 1
Detroit 4 12 0 .250 2-6-0 2-6-0 0-6-0 3-9-0 372 437 -65 Lost 8
Philadelphia 4 12 0 .250 2-6-0 2-6-0 1-5-0 2-10-0 280 444 -164 Lost 3
Kansas City 2 13 0 .133 1-7-0 1-6-0 0-5-0 0-11-0 208 387 -179 Lost 3
Jacksonville 2 14 0 .125 1-7-0 1-7-0 2-4-0 2-10-0 255 444 -189 Lost 5

 

[manchild98]

So now that the day is over...where would the Lions have finished if we had beat the Bears????

 

[johnny2x2x]

The Lions played the toughest schedule in the NFL this season. Only AZ's was close to as tough.

 

[schles192]

Using Hughes top 10 and Walters projected picks (slotting changed):

1) Kansas City Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
2) Jacksonville Jarvis Jones, DE/OLB, Georgia
3) Oakland Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
4) Philadelphia Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
5) Detroit Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
6) Cleveland Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame
7) Arizona Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
8) NY Jets Bjoern Werner, DE/OLB, Florida State
9) Buffalo Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State
10) Tennessee DeMarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama

I don't know shit about college, but with these projections who is going to be the coveted guys? With the new CBA it would be nice to still get a stud DE and grab some extra picks. Just wondering what you guys think would be a potential trade back team. There could be 3 teams (Cle?, Ari, Jets) looking for a QB after we pick.

 

[mhughes0021]

Using Hughes top 10 and Walters projected picks (slotting changed):

1) Kansas City Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
2) Jacksonville Jarvis Jones, DE/OLB, Georgia
3) Oakland Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
4) Philadelphia Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
5) Detroit Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
6) Cleveland Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame
7) Arizona Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
8) NY Jets Bjoern Werner, DE/OLB, Florida State
9) Buffalo Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State
10) Tennessee DeMarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama

I don't know shit about college, but with these projections who is going to be the coveted guys? With the new CBA it would be nice to still get a stud DE and grab some extra picks. Just wondering what you guys think would be a potential trade back team. There could be 3 teams (Cle?, Ari, Jets) looking for a QB after we pick.

Ansah DE, Vaccaro S, Milliner CB are potential trade down targets. Milliner should be top 10. Ansah and Vaccaro 10-20. 2 real good guards will go 10-20 too in Warmack and Cooper. It would be dissappointing at best to go from a potential DE like Moore to a top 20 guard.