ESPN QB Rankings

[beez]

By the way Dallas had the 18th ranked rushing attack and Calvin Johnson is a bigger advantage than Demarco Murray. Stafford threw it up for grabs twice in the Dallas game alone in which Johnson made Dallas DB's look like kids.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Flacco gets in because of the defense. He isn't called upon to do as much. Romo, he just seems to have games in which he screws up. Why else does he get thrown under the bus all the time.

Now if 5 years from now, Staff can't win some big games then it goes back on him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

By the way Dallas had the 18th ranked rushing attack and Calvin Johnson is a bigger advantage than Demarco Murray. Stafford threw it up for grabs twice in the Dallas game alone in which Johnson made Dallas DB's look like kids.

You have Dez Bryant. He was pretty good last season. You make it sound like Dallas doesn't have any good wideouts.

 

[lp4ever41]

Why the hell do these opposing fans try comparing older qbs to the 24 year old Stafford, who has only 1 full season under his belt? Let me know when you'd start a team with Romo over Stafford, then we'll talk

 

[beez]

Why the hell do these opposing fans try comparing older qbs to the 24 year old Stafford, who has only 1 full season under his belt? Let me know when you'd start a team with Romo over Stafford, then we'll talk

We're talking about who's the better QB not who we'd start a team with. I never said anything about starting a team. If that were the case I wouldn't even think about Brady, Brees or Manning over Stafford but we all know they're better qb's. Let me know when you know what we're talking about , then we'll talk.

and Mitch Dez is good but he was hobbled all last season. I wasn't saying Romo doesn't have weapons, I was just saying they had a middle of the pack rushing attack at the end of the day and I'd trade any of that rushing attack for romo to throw to Calvin Johnson.

 

[tomdalton22]

I like the Lions but Stafford definitely has a huge advantage having megatron to throw the ball to.

 

[lp4ever41]

We're talking about who's the better QB not who we'd start a team with. I never said anything about starting a team. If that were the case I wouldn't even think about Brady, Brees or Manning over Stafford but we all know they're better qb's. Let me know when you know what we're talking about , then we'll talk.

and Mitch Dez is good but he was hobbled all last season. I wasn't saying Romo doesn't have weapons, I was just saying they had a middle of the pack rushing attack at the end of the day and I'd trade any of that rushing attack for romo to throw to Calvin Johnson.

I understand that, but its stupid. You're lumping together ALL of last season, which is bullshit. Please omit the games where Stafford was obviously impacted by his injury, and you can do the same with Romo. In fact, let's just focus on how the two ended the season (last 4-5 games). Considering it was Stafford's first full season, it doesn't make sense to evaluate his current status based on how he started the season. His end, which includes significant development due to his youth, is much more applicable in this conversation. Stafford was a different QB by the end of the season, and its reasonable to assume that this improved play was due to progression and development, rather than simply a hot streak.

Therefore, if you would like to properly compare the CURRENT talents of each player, please compare the way these two QBs ended the season, and try and argue for Romo. All you get is completion percentage.

Last 4 games for Stafford: 1664 yds, 15 tds, 4 ints, 64 completion %, 8.76 YPA
Last 4 FULL games for Romo: 1158 yds, 10 tds, 1 int, 72 completion %, 8.27 YPA

You really wanna take completion % over everything else? I'm taking Stafford any day of the week

 

[Mitchrapp]

Higher completion % but a lower YPA equates to Staff getting the ball down field while Romo tosses it to his RB or short passes to TE and WR.

 

[deathroh]

I understand that, but its stupid. You're lumping together ALL of last season, which is bullshit. Please omit the games where Stafford was obviously impacted by his injury, and you can do the same with Romo. In fact, let's just focus on how the two ended the season (last 4-5 games). Considering it was Stafford's first full season, it doesn't make sense to evaluate his current status based on how he started the season. His end, which includes significant development due to his youth, is much more applicable in this conversation. Stafford was a different QB by the end of the season, and its reasonable to assume that this improved play was due to progression and development, rather than simply a hot streak.

Therefore, if you would like to properly compare the CURRENT talents of each player, please compare the way these two QBs ended the season, and try and argue for Romo. All you get is completion percentage.

Last 4 games for Stafford: 1664 yds, 15 tds, 4 ints, 64 completion %, 8.76 YPA
Last 4 FULL games for Romo: 1158 yds, 10 tds, 1 int, 72 completion %, 8.27 YPA

You really wanna take completion % over everything else? I'm taking Stafford any day of the week

Oh, it's better to have more interceptions? Maybe that's where some of Beez's confusion was coming from.

 

[deathroh]

Plus, it doesn't make sense to include the entire season, but it makes sense to use the debacle in Green Bay as 25% of your analysis? Homerism at its finest without even mentioning the strength of the teams each faced over the last 4 games.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Oh, it's better to have more interceptions? Maybe that's where some of Beez's confusion was coming from.

Its not about the INT, its when they come and the result. The aforementioned Lions vs Cowboys game :nod:

 

[Mitchrapp]

Plus, it doesn't make sense to include the entire season, but it makes sense to use the debacle in Green Bay as 25% of your analysis? Homerism at its finest without even mentioning the strength of the teams each faced over the last 4 games.

Who are we kidding, every sports fan in the world has some homer-ism. It wouldn't be sports without it.

 

[deathroh]

Its not about the INT, its when they come and the result. The aforementioned Lions vs Cowboys game :nod:

No, that game doesn't count.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No, that game doesn't count.

Why not?

 

[deathroh]

Why not?

Wouldn't be fair to Stafford.

 

[beez]

Yeah because the last 4 games of a season gives you way more of an accurate depiction of a players talents than judging one over the course of an entire season. Get out of here. If you're going to break down Staffords talents to 4 games over 4 years than there is nothing to talk about. If that guy is such a piece of glass that we can only talk about him for the time's he's 100% healthy, and then split that time down to 4 regular season games then maybe people are right to say "it's only been one year."

 

[beez]

1st we can't judge Stafford on previous years because of youth and injuries..now the 1st 12 games of his only complete season are warm up games. Man I wish you guys had this much tolerance for tony Romo, we'd get along better.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Romo blows. That's a fact. And the fact Jaws put Romo ahead of Staff and Jaws doesn't know jack.

 

[deathroh]

Romo blows. That's a fact. And the fact Jaws put Romo ahead of Staff and Jaws doesn't know jack.

Jesus christ man, pull it together.

 

[beez]

Yeah I'm not sure what we're arguing for anymore...

Romo%> Staffords
Romo TD/INT> Staffords
Romo YPA > Staffords

Since Stafford can only be judged off of last year, and that list was made based on last year... Romo was the better Qb and is the better QB until Stafford can move past him. He has been since Stafford stepped foot in the NFL. He's done nothing to change that. Good try though.