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ESPN Stafford vs Sanchez argument
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He throws it quicker than anyone else outside maybe Peyton. That's a big reason be doesn't get sacked much.
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I never said it's not the QB's fault. I believe it's both.
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The only reason? Try again ...
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I didn't say the only reason I said a big reason. The same reason why Peyton typically doesn't get sacked either. The downside to that is he's not waiting for players to get more open or he has one target in mind and is not reading the whole field to see if anyone else is open.
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And Peyton Manning has D. Thomas, J. Thomas, Decker and Wes frickin Welker too. Not saying Staff is Peyton but could you imagine Staff with those weapons?
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My argument though it's we could have 5 CJ's and yet Matt focuses on one..
That's bad luck leading to ints, especially against the Ravens with the Dlinemen dropping on the play. It's still a batted pass. But it's not a trend that defenders are knowing they can bat most of the balls.
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Yeah okay..:no:
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When did I say just on that play..but on a whole when you have a few too many bated balls then says. I rather him risk a sack and go elsewhere..30th in completion %. Minus the drops and add in the bad throws but great catches and he's still awful. In 2011 it was all him but now the fault lies elsewhere. Lol.
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You'd say the same if Sanchez was here. Or Harrington.
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From an article on ESPN today.
The impassioned defenses of Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford make perfect sense. Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz isn't losing his confidence in his star signal-caller. Wide receiver Calvin Johnson also thinks it's wrong to place so much blame on Stafford for the team's latest slump. They want to believe their fifth-year leader remains the answer to Detroit's long-term future. They have no interest in exploring a possibility that is becoming harder to ignore -- that Stafford might never be the man to take this team where it wants to go.
Tim Fuller/USA TODAY SportsAfter a Pro Bowl-caliber performance in 2011, Matthew Stafford has regressed.
At this point in Stafford's career, it's fair to question his ceiling. The Lions -- a team that sat atop the NFC North a few weeks ago -- have dropped four of their last five games, including a baffling 18-16 home loss to Baltimore on Monday night. During that stretch, Stafford has thrown 10 interceptions, lost two fumbles and produced only one performance when he completed more than 57 percent of his attempts. In other words, he is playing the worst football of his career at the worst possible time.
That has been somewhat overshadowed by questions about the future of Schwartz, who arrived in Detroit just a few months before Stafford became the first overall pick in the 2009 draft. It's actually a silly discussion to entertain at this point. Schwartz surely knows his job is in jeopardy if the Lions don't reach the playoffs. He's had five seasons and barely survived at the end of last season.
The real question is whether Stafford can take that next step in his development. That should be especially galling to Detroit fans, given the five-year, $76.5 million extension he signed this summer. He's always had plenty of gunslinger in his game, and few quarterbacks in the league can match his arm strength. His decision-making and his struggles at critical junctures are a different matter. Stafford might be moving toward an exasperating career that starkly resembles Tony Romo's in Dallas.
Consider the Baltimore game. Even though Stafford was plagued by some dropped passes, he also threw three interceptions, the biggest of which came on Detroit's final drive. The Lions had three timeouts, 38 seconds remaining and the ball on their own 20-yard line when that possession began. It ended one play later, when Stafford lofted a pass that was too high for wide receiver Nate Burleson to catch, a throw that ultimately landed in the hands of Ravens safety Matt Elam.
That pass in that situation defied explanation. The Lions had ample opportunity to move the ball into field goal range in a game they trailed by two points. Forget about what Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would have done in such circumstances. There are plenty of younger quarterbacks who could have delivered in that moment, including Indianapolis' Andrew Luck and Seattle's Russell Wilson.
That's one of Stafford's major problems at the moment. There are enough talented quarterbacks in the league today that his regression becomes more disconcerting with each passing week. Luck, the first pick in the 2011 draft, took over the worst team in the league and has twice led the Colts to winning seasons. Wilson has emerged as a legitimate Most Valuable Player candidate after falling to the third round of that same draft. Meanwhile, Stafford, 25, is starting to look very much like another strong-armed quarterback who can't do the little things that consistently lead to victories.
Stafford has escaped such criticism thus far. Shoulder injuries during his first two seasons -- which limited him to 13 games – forced people to wait and see what he could do when healthy. Stafford also produced a Pro Bowl-worthy season in 2011, when he passed for 5,038 yards and 41 touchdowns and led the Lions to their first postseason appearance since 1999. The last two seasons have wilted much of the optimism that blossomed that year. Stafford's passer rating dropped nearly 18 points last season (from 97.2 in 2011 to 79.8 in 2012), and now his game is imploding during what should be another run for a playoff spot.
At one point this season, the Lions had everything working in their favor. Their two rivals in the NFC North, Green Bay and Chicago, both lost their starting quarterbacks to injuries when Detroit was sitting atop the division with a 6-3 record. Now it's hard to think highly of the one game Detroit did win. They enjoyed a 40-10 thumping of the Packers on Thanksgiving, when Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers was standing on the sideline and his offense could muster only 126 yards in that contest.
It's hard to see this season ending well for Detroit. Stafford's play has been so inept lately that he'll probably be a liability in at least one more game on the Lions schedule. At 7-7, the Lions don't control their own destiny in the playoff race any longer. And for those who expect the season finale at Minnesota to be an easy win, think again. The Vikings nearly beat Baltimore two weeks ago and blew out Philadelphia last Sunday.
Instead of worrying about whether the Lions can somehow make the playoffs, it's better to focus on where they're heading in the future. It's been well documented that they haven't had a Pro Bowl quarterback in four decades, and that legacy has surely made it easier for Stafford to excite fans with his skills. But now he finds himself in a place that many of his Lions predecessors know too well. He's past the point where people can fantasize about his potential. The only thing that matters is whether there really is more to his game than what he's already shown.
The impassioned defenses of Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford make perfect sense. Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz isn't losing his confidence in his star signal-caller. Wide receiver Calvin Johnson also thinks it's wrong to place so much blame on Stafford for the team's latest slump. They want to believe their fifth-year leader remains the answer to Detroit's long-term future. They have no interest in exploring a possibility that is becoming harder to ignore -- that Stafford might never be the man to take this team where it wants to go.
Tim Fuller/USA TODAY SportsAfter a Pro Bowl-caliber performance in 2011, Matthew Stafford has regressed.
At this point in Stafford's career, it's fair to question his ceiling. The Lions -- a team that sat atop the NFC North a few weeks ago -- have dropped four of their last five games, including a baffling 18-16 home loss to Baltimore on Monday night. During that stretch, Stafford has thrown 10 interceptions, lost two fumbles and produced only one performance when he completed more than 57 percent of his attempts. In other words, he is playing the worst football of his career at the worst possible time.
That has been somewhat overshadowed by questions about the future of Schwartz, who arrived in Detroit just a few months before Stafford became the first overall pick in the 2009 draft. It's actually a silly discussion to entertain at this point. Schwartz surely knows his job is in jeopardy if the Lions don't reach the playoffs. He's had five seasons and barely survived at the end of last season.
The real question is whether Stafford can take that next step in his development. That should be especially galling to Detroit fans, given the five-year, $76.5 million extension he signed this summer. He's always had plenty of gunslinger in his game, and few quarterbacks in the league can match his arm strength. His decision-making and his struggles at critical junctures are a different matter. Stafford might be moving toward an exasperating career that starkly resembles Tony Romo's in Dallas.
Consider the Baltimore game. Even though Stafford was plagued by some dropped passes, he also threw three interceptions, the biggest of which came on Detroit's final drive. The Lions had three timeouts, 38 seconds remaining and the ball on their own 20-yard line when that possession began. It ended one play later, when Stafford lofted a pass that was too high for wide receiver Nate Burleson to catch, a throw that ultimately landed in the hands of Ravens safety Matt Elam.
That pass in that situation defied explanation. The Lions had ample opportunity to move the ball into field goal range in a game they trailed by two points. Forget about what Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would have done in such circumstances. There are plenty of younger quarterbacks who could have delivered in that moment, including Indianapolis' Andrew Luck and Seattle's Russell Wilson.
That's one of Stafford's major problems at the moment. There are enough talented quarterbacks in the league today that his regression becomes more disconcerting with each passing week. Luck, the first pick in the 2011 draft, took over the worst team in the league and has twice led the Colts to winning seasons. Wilson has emerged as a legitimate Most Valuable Player candidate after falling to the third round of that same draft. Meanwhile, Stafford, 25, is starting to look very much like another strong-armed quarterback who can't do the little things that consistently lead to victories.
Stafford has escaped such criticism thus far. Shoulder injuries during his first two seasons -- which limited him to 13 games – forced people to wait and see what he could do when healthy. Stafford also produced a Pro Bowl-worthy season in 2011, when he passed for 5,038 yards and 41 touchdowns and led the Lions to their first postseason appearance since 1999. The last two seasons have wilted much of the optimism that blossomed that year. Stafford's passer rating dropped nearly 18 points last season (from 97.2 in 2011 to 79.8 in 2012), and now his game is imploding during what should be another run for a playoff spot.
At one point this season, the Lions had everything working in their favor. Their two rivals in the NFC North, Green Bay and Chicago, both lost their starting quarterbacks to injuries when Detroit was sitting atop the division with a 6-3 record. Now it's hard to think highly of the one game Detroit did win. They enjoyed a 40-10 thumping of the Packers on Thanksgiving, when Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers was standing on the sideline and his offense could muster only 126 yards in that contest.
It's hard to see this season ending well for Detroit. Stafford's play has been so inept lately that he'll probably be a liability in at least one more game on the Lions schedule. At 7-7, the Lions don't control their own destiny in the playoff race any longer. And for those who expect the season finale at Minnesota to be an easy win, think again. The Vikings nearly beat Baltimore two weeks ago and blew out Philadelphia last Sunday.
Instead of worrying about whether the Lions can somehow make the playoffs, it's better to focus on where they're heading in the future. It's been well documented that they haven't had a Pro Bowl quarterback in four decades, and that legacy has surely made it easier for Stafford to excite fans with his skills. But now he finds himself in a place that many of his Lions predecessors know too well. He's past the point where people can fantasize about his potential. The only thing that matters is whether there really is more to his game than what he's already shown.
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Staff doesn't utilize his other WR options. He throws it to calvin 12-15 times a game and calvin catches it like 50% of the time. 20 passes a game are dump downs to pettigrews 6 yard curl or bush/bell. Half the bush/bell dump downs are dropped or sailed 6 yards over their head. The other 5-6 passes are thrown to durham and Burleson. Durham put 1 hand up and drops his 3. Nate catches his 2 and immediately is tackled. The very last 3 are picked off....usually cause Stafford is a idiot, or he did something weird with his mechanics, or he didn't see the defender right there, or he sailed another ball 6 feet over someones head. Game over...we blow a 4th quarter lead....rinse....repeat....top 15 pick....rinse...repeat.
False. I hated Joey. I hate Kellen Moore too.
16 incompletes on Monday. 7 were Staffords fault. And you people complain when Calvin doesn't get targets. You can't win with you guys.
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so only 7 of the 16 incomplete passes were Stafford's fault but the other 9 were NOT his fault?
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