Game 8: Lions @ Texans Thread

[biggunsbob]

Defense only? Where did i say that? Lol. Offense was bad.....defense was bad.....special teams were bad (missed FG). We lost the game. Too many things happen in this game that were bad. But dummies like you can't fucking wait to put it on #9 because you don't like him lol. And i'm not angry. I just enjoy calling out imbeciles like you. The MVP talk on Stafford is legit. Will this outing cool talks? 100% but he's been playing lights out football lately. Today....not so much, but don't sit there and tell me that our defense had nothing to do with the loss. They're fucking horrendous. 3-4 drops too.......and an idiot HC that doesn't know how to football. Take your head out of your motherfucking ass.

14 points at chicago
15 at fucking Home verses the titans.
13 today at Houston

Yeah my fucking mvp qb should win and play better in these games. Yeah I did mentioned everything you just said and more .. go snuggle with something if you think matt shouldnt be better. Everything you said is in my posts genius . GET over yourself.

 

[kalinecountry]

Graham Glasgow earned a third straight start at left guard, including second in a row for a healthy Laken Tomlinson.
Eric Ebron also started at tight end, after missing three games with knee and ankle injuries, and Theo Riddick started at running back after missing two games with an ankle injury.

Theo Riddick's 1-yard touchdown catch was the 11th score of his career, moving him into fourth on the club's all-time list for tailbacks.
Doak Walker holds the record with 21.

Eric Ebron has seven catches for 79 yards so far today in his return to the lineup. The 79 yards matches the second-best game of his career (2015 vs Saints). His seven catches are a career-high.

Matthew Stafford couldn't pull off another comeback. The Lions defense, which had played well for much of the game, didn't force the turnover to give Stafford one more shot.
It resulted in Detroit's first loss since Week 4, a 20-13 loss to the Texans that drops the Lions to .500 and having to travel to Minnesota next week.

Stafford played well, completing 65.9 percent of his passes for 240 yards, a touchdown and no interceptions, but the offense as a whole never looked synced up like it had for stretches earlier in the season.

While the Lions had been a pass-happy team, Sunday's game featured the largest disparity between passing attempts (41) and carries (14) all season.

Lions coach Jim Caldwell, who temporarily cooled his hot seat with a strong October, made two questionable decisions in the second half.
First, Caldwell decided not to challenge a potential fumble in the third quarter a few plays before a Texans and field goal.
Then, after Matt Prater made a field goal with 2:57 left to make it a one-score game, the Lions tried an onside kick.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400874569
Boxscore.

http://www.detroitlions.com/media-center/video/recent-videos.html
Game and post game webvideos.

It’s certainly not a good look to struggle against a team so bad their coaches were literally fighting on the sideline.

Stars of the game:
1. Jim Caldwell’s Onside Kick Decision (For Houston).
I’m not usually one to bash Coach Caldwell. I wrote about how his timeout strategy had been paying off in Detroit’s 3-game win streak. However, in this game it absolutely made no sense to try and onside it in this critical moment.
Sure, they were down one score and it could have been a great move, but why let Houston bleed the clock just to onside it with enough time to pull it out by playing defense and putting pressure on Osweiler.
All coaches makes tough decisions but Detroit’s aggresiveness surely cost them in this one. But, that’s the NFL. Easy for me to question it when it didn’t work.
Still, damn it, it seemed like Detroit lost a game they could’ve won. What else is new?
SideLion’s Matt Urben

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2016/10/observations_lions_texans.html#incart_river_index
Lions-Texans observations: Questionable decisions overshadow return of Riddick, Ebron.
Mlive

Late in the first half, the Lions took over at their own 9-yard line, down 14 points. It was a chance for Stafford to do his thing in a 2-minute offense.
First down? A drop byTheo Riddick. The Lions have been struggling with drops all season.
Second down? A drop by Eric Ebron. Seriously? Another freakin’ drop? OK. Maybe, the pass was behind him, but it should have been caught. Now remember, Lions offensive coordinator Jim Bob Cooter said the Lions were working on catching the ball.
Freep

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2016/10/why_jim_caldwell_decided_to_go.html#incart_river_index
Why Jim Caldwell decided to go for the onside kick.
Mlive

Bright spots in a bad defensive performance:
Johnson Bademosi had an interception (first of his career) and two pass break ups.
Khyri Thornton, A’Shawn Robinson and Armonty Bryant each had a sack.
Kerry Hyder had a tackle for loss and a quarterback hit.
Travis Wilson, Antwione Williams, and Tyrunn Walker each had a tackle for loss.
Devin Taylor had a quarterback hit.
Quick Hits:
The Lions failed to execute on 4th down today for the first time this season. They are now five of six in 2016.
Just resigned Josh Bynes was already starting at linebacker.
Travis Swanson credited Dominic Raiola for helping him improve this season.
Graham Glasgow started for the third straight game, it looks like left guard is his for good.
Andre Roberts averaged 26.8 yards per kickoff return.
djc

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2016/10/lions_texans_postgame_stats.html#0
Lions-Texans postgame: Problems on the road, defending the tight end continue.
Mlive

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2016/...troit-lions-onside-kick-jim-caldwell-decision
Breaking down Jim Caldwell’s decision to onside kick early in the game.
Did Jim Caldwell make the right decision to onside kick the ball with 2:53 left?
PrideOfDetroit

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-det-hou-grades-texans-defense-stifles-stafford-lions/
DET-HOU GRADES: TEXANS DEFENSE STIFLES STAFFORD, LIONS.
Texans ride a strong defensive performance and solid outing from QB Brock Osweiler to a Week 8 victory.
PFFF

 

[cheeno]

Defense only? Where did i say that? Lol. Offense was bad.....defense was bad.....special teams were bad (missed FG). We lost the game. Too many things happen in this game that were bad. But dummies like you can't fucking wait to put it on #9 because you don't like him lol. And i'm not angry. I just enjoy calling out imbeciles like you. The MVP talk on Stafford is legit. Will this outing cool talks? 100% but he's been playing lights out football lately. Today....not so much, but don't sit there and tell me that our defense had nothing to do with the loss. They're fucking horrendous. 3-4 drops too.......and an idiot HC that doesn't know how to football. Take your head out of your motherfucking ass.

Tony, I'm not sure why you are getting so hot and bothered at Bob, he blamed JBCs conservative offense as much if not more than Stafford. Stafford today had time in the pocket and several manageable 3rd downs and didn't execute. He deserves some of the blame. And if his MVP talk stems from his comebacks this year, it is only fair to criticize him when he doesn't come through, the end of the Titans game stands out in this regard, which ended in a pick.

Why can Stafford's critics admit when they were too critical, but Stafford's fans not admit when they get carried away by his talent when inconsistencies arise.

Bob I blame JBC too. Eventually other teams adjust. You can only hope Tate and Riddick break 9 tackles on a 1 yard screen so often.

 

[biggunsbob]

I should have been more clear. I love Matt. I Wish he was more accurate today. Some of the drops are on the receivers for sure but I saw alot of subpar throws today. I feel bad for him. He needs OC who understands what Matt is. I just hate it when he gets no blame at. This schedule was so set up for at least a 6-2 start even with this team. That is what I am so pissed about. I so dislike Caldwell as a coach. I want the playoffs just like the rest of us. Man Caldwell is getting ripped on mlive, detroit news, and free press for the onside kick.will anyone ask him about it tomorrow?

 

[LKP]

Real loss today. Too many offensive miscues and bad 2nd quarter. Hope those other ref jobs dont cost us later this season. Time to respond against vikings

 

[cheeno]

Real loss today. Too many offensive miscues and bad 2nd quarter. Hope those other ref jobs dont cost us later this season. Time to respond against vikings

The Vikings game will be a good litmus test for who this team is.

 

[LKP]

The Vikings game will be a good litmus test for who this team is.

Yep 5-2 finish much more maneagble than 6-1. Damn bears and titans debacles may haunt us

 

[cheeno]

Yep 5-2 finish much more maneagble than 6-1. Damn bears and titans debacles may haunt us

I'm not counting us out that's for sure. The offensive game plan is going to have to be good one though and our line is going to have to hold up. We can do it.

 

[kalinecountry]

Over the weekend, I posted a story link with the reason there have been so many drops with otherwise sure handed receivers and backs like Jones Jr. Tate, Boldin and Riddick.
Everyone knows Stafford throws a fast and hard football with his strong arm. Now, throw those passes a shorter distance like he has been in the new JBC offense which has increased his pass % but makes it is a bit more difficult to hold onto say a 90mph football within 10 yards, then a longer pass.
Some guys will say, well why doesn't he throw it with less strength? Good question.

 

[biggunsbob]

Falcons beat packers helps a tad

 

[tonyballs]

14 points at chicago
15 at fucking Home verses the titans.
13 today at Houston

Yeah my fucking mvp qb should win and play better in these games. Yeah I did mentioned everything you just said and more .. go snuggle with something if you think matt shouldnt be better. Everything you said is in my posts genius . GET over yourself.

Stfu. Matt should be better but he's not going to be a superstar every game. His teammates refuse to help him in that department. Who showed up on offense today btw? Riddick and Ebron.....that's it. Tate was non-existent and MJ looked fucking lost. Did Boldin even have a catch? Lol. Is this Stafford's fault?Nice to have Riddick back but they have ZERO running game. Nobody is stacking the box against this team. Defenses play the pass 80% of the time on us. You know how hard that is for a QB at this level?
I don't need to get over myself....nah. When you say something moronic, i will call you out on it. EVERYTIME.

 

[tonyballs]

Tony, I'm not sure why you are getting so hot and bothered at Bob, he blamed JBCs conservative offense as much if not more than Stafford. Stafford today had time in the pocket and several manageable 3rd downs and didn't execute. He deserves some of the blame. And if his MVP talk stems from his comebacks this year, it is only fair to criticize him when he doesn't come through, the end of the Titans game stands out in this regard, which ended in a pick.

Why can Stafford's critics admit when they were too critical, but Stafford's fans not admit when they get carried away by his talent when inconsistencies arise.

Bob I blame JBC too. Eventually other teams adjust. You can only hope Tate and Riddick break 9 tackles on a 1 yard screen so often.

Wtf are you talking about? Stafford does get some of the blame. I never argued that lol.

 

[LKP]

This loss was on wrs and terrible 2nd quarter..lots of long fields as always too. We have like one drive all year in opponents territory

 

[sggatecl]

Real loss today. Too many offensive miscues and bad 2nd quarter. Hope those other ref jobs dont cost us later this season. Time to respond against vikings

:cheers:

 

[manchild98]

Stfu. Matt should be better but he's not going to be a superstar every game. His teammates refuse to help him in that department. Who showed up on offense today btw? Riddick and Ebron.....that's it. Tate was non-existent and MJ looked fucking lost. Did Boldin even have a catch? Lol. Is this Stafford's fault?Nice to have Riddick back but they have ZERO running game. Nobody is stacking the box against this team. Defenses play the pass 80% of the time on us. You know how hard that is for a QB at this level?
I don't need to get over myself....nah. When you say something moronic, i will call you out on it. EVERYTIME.

The Staff to MJ connection was definitely out of sync today.

 

[biggunsbob]

Stfu. Matt should be better but he's not going to be a superstar every game. His teammates refuse to help him in that department. Who showed up on offense today btw? Riddick and Ebron.....that's it. Tate was non-existent and MJ looked fucking lost. Did Boldin even have a catch? Lol. Is this Stafford's fault?Nice to have Riddick back but they have ZERO running game. Nobody is stacking the box against this team. Defenses play the pass 80% of the time on us. You know how hard that is for a QB at this level?
I don't need to get over myself....nah. When you say something moronic, i will call you out on it. Quote

I speak the truth and you call me out on what ? Your such a blowhard know it all who thinks he knows everything and is so full of himself about the Lions it's not even funny . Same old Internet tough guy act you always have when someone disagrees with you. Some things just never change.. Newsflash TB your not always right .

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Well there are a few aspects of the game to look at. Much like the tennessee game there were a lot of penalties. And not just small ones. We don't have a deep passing game because we'll we don't have many players who that fits on our offense. So it especially hurts us when we get into 2nd and 20 situations. Another thing is long drives...that's the only way we can score on offense. Our defense constantly lets teams churn out yards and rarely gets turnovers to set up shorter fields. We literally have to make 80 yard drives that are like 12 plays long every time just to score. Factor in not much of a running game and teams playing the pass and that's extremely difficult. The fact that Stafford has been productive as he has in those circumstances is pretty amazing.

 

[LKP]

Same refs as tenneesee game.

 

[UMRules06]

Same refs as tenneesee game.

They pointed out on the radio before the game that this crew had called the 2nd most penalties in the entire NFL I believe.

 

[LKP]

And yet they missed the blatant opi by fiedorowicz on the first texans td. The ticky tack shit on returns has to stop. Having to go 90 yards all the time can lead to 13 points. Well that and prater miss and failed 4th down conversion