Game 8: Lions @ Texans Thread

[LKP]

But lions lost it in 4th. Got the big 3 and out but then lions went 3 and out. Then allowed a 6 minute field goal drive to go down 20 10. Houston has a good d though.

Luckily tampa, eagles, arizona and packers all lost. Skins tied and rams still 3-4. Still only .5 game out of wild card and have a game against packers and giants. And tiebreaker over eagles

 

[brewer229]

Stfu. Matt should be better but he's not going to be a superstar every game. His teammates refuse to help him in that department. Who showed up on offense today btw? Riddick and Ebron.....that's it. Tate was non-existent and MJ looked fucking lost. Did Boldin even have a catch? Lol. Is this Stafford's fault?Nice to have Riddick back but they have ZERO running game. Nobody is stacking the box against this team. Defenses play the pass 80% of the time on us. You know how hard that is for a QB at this level?
I don't need to get over myself....nah. When you say something moronic, i will call you out on it. EVERYTIME.

Do any teams stack the box against anyone anymore?
Again, there is little to no correlation between having a successful passing game and a dominate or even above average running game.

I feel like you're becoming more of a cliche of 1980s football sayings.

 

[LKP]

Down and distance has a correleation on success for converting first downs. Run game helps on that.

 

[mhughes0021]

Down and distance has a correleation on success for converting first downs. Run game helps on that.

Not when your pass is incomplete like it was all day on third down vs hou.

 

[LKP]

Not when your pass is incomplete like it was all day on third down vs hou.

3rd and shorts are easier to complete and tougher to defend

 

[tigermud]

I think I know what the problem is.

The Lions just aren't very good.
My only hope for this year is that the Browns go 0-16 and come join us here in the gallows of shit. I think they have a really shot at it! But know that even if they do, Cleveland fans still have it better than us, Cavs, and now Indians etc.. Who has it better than we do? Everyone!!

 

[LKP]

Only 3 nfc teams have 5 wins or more. Lions are in thick of playoff race. They are good. Defense needs to get healthy and play to their potential.

Offense has to be more consistent on road

 

[Mitchrapp]

Isn't it a bit early figuring out wild card races?

 

[tonyballs]

Do any teams stack the box against anyone anymore?
Again, there is little to no correlation between having a successful passing game and a dominate or even above average running game.

I feel like you're becoming more of a cliche of 1980s football sayings.

Teams do stack the box against teams that have "good" running backs. You're delusional if you think they don't. Do you even watch football? I guarantee that you don't from that retarded question.
No correlation? Says who? YOU?! Again, it's absolutely moronic to think otherwise. It's simple really. Our offense is mainly quick hitters, couple of longer passes to Ebron/Tate/Jones and our running game consosts of short dumpoffs to Riddick/Zenner in the flats or over the middle. THAT'S our running game! We don't even have Abdullah to have somewhat of a threat to run the ball.
You don't think teams stack the box against Peterson? Why is Gurley struggling in LA and guys like Britt and Quick are having success in the passing game? Newsflash, genius! Box is stacked!

And of course you think i'm a cliche lol. You don't understand the game. Yeah, I know it's a passing league, but when you have some type of threat at RB, you're usually going to be able to have success at throwing the ball. It's FOOTBALL 101, but you wouldn't know that....pathetic.

 

[LKP]

No it is not. Lions control destiny with games against vikings, packers,saints and giants and wins over skins, eagles and rams

 

[Mitchrapp]

Many teams control their own destiny.

 

[tonyballs]

Stfu. Matt should be better but he's not going to be a superstar every game. His teammates refuse to help him in that department. Who showed up on offense today btw? Riddick and Ebron.....that's it. Tate was non-existent and MJ looked fucking lost. Did Boldin even have a catch? Lol. Is this Stafford's fault?Nice to have Riddick back but they have ZERO running game. Nobody is stacking the box against this team. Defenses play the pass 80% of the time on us. You know how hard that is for a QB at this level?
I don't need to get over myself....nah. When you say something moronic, i will call you out on it. Quote

I speak the truth and you call me out on what ? Your such a blowhard know it all who thinks he knows everything and is so full of himself about the Lions it's not even funny . Same old Internet tough guy act you always have when someone disagrees with you. Some things just never change.. Newsflash TB your not always right .

Speak the truth on what? You're blaming losses on the QB because you're an ignorant tool. No internet tough guy act from me, buddy. Say something dumb and i'm letting ya know lol. Sorry. Our QB is not the problem with this team. He has to be fucking perfect for this joke of a football team to succeed. But you morons don't see that. Want to know who my prime example is? Matt Ryan and the Atlanta fucking Falcons. That defense over there is abysmal, but Matt Ryan is literally carrying that sad sack of a team on his shoulders. He's perfect almost every game. But again.....wtf do i know, right??? Lol. Learn the game of football, dummy.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The games that scare me, the 4 road games. Need at least one and all home games.. At least.

Minny, NO, Giants and Cowboys on the road won't be easy..

 

[brewer229]

Teams do stack the box against teams that have "good" running backs. You're delusional if you think they don't. Do you even watch football? I guarantee that you don't from that retarded question.
No correlation? Says who? YOU?! Again, it's absolutely moronic to think otherwise. It's simple really. Our offense is mainly quick hitters, couple of longer passes to Ebron/Tate/Jones and our running game consosts of short dumpoffs to Riddick/Zenner in the flats or over the middle. THAT'S our running game! We don't even have Abdullah to have somewhat of a threat to run the ball.
You don't think teams stack the box against Peterson? Why is Gurley struggling in LA and guys like Britt and Quick are having success in the passing game? Newsflash, genius! Box is stacked!

Lets look at the Top rated QBs this year, based on QB rating, and the running game YPC for those teams:

Brady (3.5 YPC since Brady started, 29th in the league)
Ryan (4.4 YPC, 9th)
Brees (3.6 YPC, 28th)
Stafford (3.9 YPC, 21st)
Carr (4.8 YPC, 6th)

So 6th, 9th, 21st, 28th, 29th


Lets look at the top 5 from 2015 and where their running game finished

1) 7th
2) 23rd
3) 12th
4) 29th
5) 30th

Yet again, Top QBs had statistically a worse than average running game overall.


Facing 8 in the box. Now this is a little harder to find. Considering we are typically two+ WR sets. I looked at those stats. Most recent was a few years back. Average was 12.6% there was 8 or more in the box. Lions were 14%. Buffalo led the league at 23%. So Lions faced 8+ in the box slightly higher amount.

Basic football should tell you, the more WRs you put out, the less that will be in the box. if you run a two TE set, with a FB and HB, you are going to face 8 in the box often.

You're taking a few execptions and pretending it's the norm. Peterson did face 8 in the box more. Peterson also had a FB in front of him more.
Based on our sets, we face 8 in the box no more or less than most teams.

Stafford doesn't have it "harder" than any other QB because of the defenses he faces.

There is no indication good running game is a prerequisite to a good passing game. In fact the opposite is almost true, the better your QB and your passing game is there is a strong possibility your run game is less effective.

 

[tonyballs]

Lets look at the Top rated QBs this year, based on QB rating, and the running game YPC for those teams:

Brady (3.5 YPC since Brady started, 29th in the league)
Ryan (4.4 YPC, 9th)
Brees (3.6 YPC, 28th)
Stafford (3.9 YPC, 21st)
Carr (4.8 YPC, 6th)

So 6th, 9th, 21st, 28th, 29th


Lets look at the top 5 from 2015 and where their running game finished

1) 7th
2) 23rd
3) 12th
4) 29th
5) 30th

Yet again, Top QBs had statistically a worse than average running game overall.


Facing 8 in the box. Now this is a little harder to find. Considering we are typically two+ WR sets. I looked at those stats. Most recent was a few years back. Average was 12.6% there was 8 or more in the box. Lions were 14%. Buffalo led the league at 23%. So Lions faced 8+ in the box slightly higher amount.

Basic football should tell you, the more WRs you put out, the less that will be in the box. if you run a two TE set, with a FB and HB, you are going to face 8 in the box often.

You're taking a few execptions and pretending it's the norm. Peterson did face 8 in the box more. Peterson also had a FB in front of him more.
Based on our sets, we face 8 in the box no more or less than most teams.

Stafford doesn't have it "harder" than any other QB because of the defenses he faces.

There is no indication good running game is a prerequisite to a good passing game. In fact the opposite is almost true, the better your QB and your passing game is there is a strong possibility your run game is less effective.

Lmao. Never said Stafford had it "harder" than any QB in the league. My point was, there is absolutely no threat of a running game and teams do not focus on stopping guys like Zenner running the ball. No defense in this league gives 2 shits about our running game. So you can give me all your useless numbers and stats and percentages that you want. I actually watch the game and observe what's going on. Defenses focus on #9 and #9 only when facing our offense. I gave examples of teams stacking the box against teams like Minnesota and LA ....and that's just 2 off the top of my head. There's a lot more.

 

[kdp1980]

Lmao. Never said Stafford had it "harder" than any QB in the league. My point was, there is absolutely no threat of a running game and teams do not focus on stopping guys like Zenner running the ball. No defense in this league gives 2 shits about our running game.

Agree completely, and the fact that our starting RB is not even a rb does not help matters either. Not having a legit running threat, really hurts this offense IMO.

 

[brewer229]

Lmao. Never said Stafford had it "harder" than any QB in the league. My point was, there is absolutely no threat of a running game and teams do not focus on stopping guys like Zenner running the ball. No defense in this league gives 2 shits about our running game. So you can give me all your useless numbers and stats and percentages that you want. I actually watch the game and observe what's going on. Defenses focus on #9 and #9 only when facing our offense. I gave examples of teams stacking the box against teams like Minnesota and LA ....and that's just 2 off the top of my head. There's a lot more.

Most teams don't give two shits about any teams running game.

Your examples are a second year player and a guy that's not even playing right now.

Get out of here with your #9 only BS. If you really thing teams are sitting around saying, ok we only have to worry about Stafford, no one else can do anything you're dreaming. A QB that throws the ball less in the air than any other QB isn't the only thing you worry about.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Get out of here with your #9 only BS. If you really thing teams are sitting around saying, ok we only have to worry about Stafford, no one else can do anything you're dreaming. A QB that throws the ball less in the air than any other QB isn't the only thing you worry about.

That's a good point....and it goes to my major complaint about this offense.....we have no burner. We need someone to stretch the team vertically. Because Stafford throws so quickly and efficiently....you can see safety's creep up throughout the game.....or just one safety stays over the top of Jones. As good as Boldin has been for us....he stretches the field about as much as Pettigrew would.

 

[LKP]

Corey fuller is practicing. Jones can go deep. Tate had the one deep ball. Ebron can stretch the field too. Didnt take enough shots in the last game but it was well covered. The texans have a good seconday. Joseph, bouye and jackson are all good this year. The deep ball to ebron worked at end of first half. Jones was out of synch in this one. No clutch 3rd down grabs by boldin in this one either like he has been in first 7 weeks

 

[mhughes0021]

We dont even run the ball vs a 6 man box on early downs. Weve never been a team that takes advantage of what the defense is giving us. Caldwell can talk all his "establish the run game" shit he wants. Actions speak louder than words. The run game was great on sunday....especially early. We didnt stick with it. We didnt take advantage of it. And we couldnt convert 3rd downs to keep drives going. The run game did their job. The WRs and QB did not.