Grading Stafford

[boogerlovejoy]

How many more ways can there be to show he has been nothing more than average before booger and LKP will accept reality.

Their arguments change yearly. Before it was you can't judge a QB on wins and Stafford had 1.5 more drops per game which is a huge detriment to him. He is way better than his stats, get WRs that can catch and you'll see.

Now it's he won that's all that matters, 2.5 more missed throws a game is no big deal.

Need to look at replacement in this draft, after next year he is cutable.
Not overly familiar with QBs on the college level, but I would look as early as round three.

I've never said anything more than Stafford has talent. He hasn't played to it in 3 years. You can say what you want.....but I bet you can't show me a post I've had on this board that says I feel otherwise.

All the examples you gave were from LKP......who is as big a troll as Hughes is. Just an opposite view.

 

[Mitchrapp]

When someone doesn't do something in 3 years he has no talent..Matt is what he is..an average overpaid QB. He talentless that has a somewhat strong arm but very inaccurate. He has no potential, no eliteness in him..he plain stinks.

 

[mhughes0021]

I've never said anything more than Stafford has talent. He hasn't played to it in 3 years. You can say what you want.....but I bet you can't show me a post I've had on this board that says I feel otherwise.

All the examples you gave were from LKP......who is as big a troll as Hughes is. Just an opposite view.

I agree with booger....he never says anything worthwhile or that has meaning. Going on 7 years and all hes got on stafford is "he has talent."

 

[dubbsco]

I'm just getting tired of this iron clad wall that he has around him, like no one could do a better job. It's time for him to get some competition.

 

[inkfreq]

While I think LKP is pretty much a crackhead for his insistence that Stafford can do no wrong, I don't really think much higher of the folks who insist all of Staffords stats prove he suck, blah blah blah.

His stats show he is not elite, he's not even top 10, but they do not prove he sucks. People seem to harp on the road record vs. winning teams, while choosing to ignore anything positive the man does.

Cherry picking numbers is cherry picking numbers, no matter how you slice it.

 

[dubbsco]

Ink, it's the very fact that he's not a top 10 QB. When you make a lot of money, drafted #1 overall, and are given draft pick after draft pick to make that offense hum, you better do a good job. And he's just meh. I expected more.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Ink, it's the very fact that he's not a top 10 QB. When you make a lot of money, drafted #1 overall, and are given draft pick after draft pick to make that offense hum, you better do a good job. And he's just meh. I expected more.

So does Drew Brees suck? They played in what was possibly the worst division in the HISTORY of football and N.O. Didn't win it.

Tony Romo's made the playoffs once in the last 5 years. He played with unquestionably the best OL in football.....top 3 WR.....best running back.....HOF TE who still produced.....good #2 and #3 WR. What's his excuse?

Both those guys are higher paid than Stafford according to Grandys chart.

There are circumstances to go along with some bad play. Good play as well. It's just NOT as cut and dry as the gloom crew on here makes it out to be.

Does he need to play better. Hell yes, he does.

 

[dubbsco]

Booger, you can't take one year of Drew Brees missing the playoffs. He's a HOF QB. That's a ridiculous comparison.

Nah, Romo doesn't suck at all, and his career stats back that up. Never had less than a 90 rating in a single season. His excuse this year is that he got absolutely boned on a silly rule. He put up a ridiculous game in terms of overall rating against the Packers. Definitely not perfect, but I'd take him all day over what we have here.

No it's not cut and dry, but he has a curtain of protection, and whenever people suggest that just MAYBE he's not a good QB, people laugh and point to all the lovely yards he's thrown.

 

[mhughes0021]

1laell collins rt
2 best dt on board
3 bryce petty
4 lippet wr

Do we have a 4th?....Im so used to mayhew trading those away for nothing in return.

 

[mhughes0021]

While I think LKP is pretty much a crackhead for his insistence that Stafford can do no wrong, I don't really think much higher of the folks who insist all of Staffords stats prove he suck, blah blah blah.

His stats show he is not elite, he's not even top 10, but they do not prove he sucks. People seem to harp on the road record vs. winning teams, while choosing to ignore anything positive the man does.

Cherry picking numbers is cherry picking numbers, no matter how you slice it.

What exactly does he do well? Id say list 3....but thats stretching it.

Accurate nope
pocket lol
run joke
win bwahaha
throw deep whats that?
Quick decisions not in this system

Cant really think of anything he excels at...

 

[cheeno]

While I think LKP is pretty much a crackhead for his insistence that Stafford can do no wrong, I don't really think much higher of the folks who insist all of Staffords stats prove he suck, blah blah blah.

His stats show he is not elite, he's not even top 10, but they do not prove he sucks. People seem to harp on the road record vs. winning teams, while choosing to ignore anything positive the man does.

Cherry picking numbers is cherry picking numbers, no matter how you slice it.

He's not even top 10. Ok then where would you put him? Because once you get to about 15 the NFL quarterback list looks like more of a freak show than this season's American Horror Story. Names like Gino Smith, Bryan Hoyer, and Mike Glennon are prominently featured on that list and those are the good ones!

 

[Mitchrapp]

While I think LKP is pretty much a crackhead for his insistence that Stafford can do no wrong, I don't really think much higher of the folks who insist all of Staffords stats prove he suck, blah blah blah.

His stats show he is not elite, he's not even top 10, but they do not prove he sucks. People seem to harp on the road record vs. winning teams, while choosing to ignore anything positive the man does.

Cherry picking numbers is cherry picking numbers, no matter how you slice it.

Because a top ten paid QB better win some road games against good teams. That isn't cherry picking because there is nothing that over rides that..You can't come back and say yeah but..

 

[mhughes0021]

He's not even top 10. Ok then where would you put him? Because once you get to about 15 the NFL quarterback list looks like more of a freak show than this season's American Horror Story. Names like Gino Smith, Bryan Hoyer, and Mike Glennon are prominently featured on that list and those are the good ones!

Im being honest here....I lump him in with Ryan fitzpatrick and andy dalton with a stronger arm than either of them.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Booger, you can't take one year of Drew Brees missing the playoffs. He's a HOF QB. That's a ridiculous comparison.

Nah, Romo doesn't suck at all, and his career stats back that up. Never had less than a 90 rating in a single season. His excuse this year is that he got absolutely boned on a silly rule. He put up a ridiculous game in terms of overall rating against the Packers. Definitely not perfect, but I'd take him all day over what we have here.

No it's not cut and dry, but he has a curtain of protection, and whenever people suggest that just MAYBE he's not a good QB, people laugh and point to all the lovely yards he's thrown.

Thanks for proving my point. Good QB's......even HOF QB's like Brees......miss the playoffs from time to time. Stafford got killed on this board last year for finishing behind "Flynn and McCown"......while Brees finished behind Derek Anderson! it's not a comparison of the two QB's, but of the circumstances of the not so great seasons they go through.

What your doing with Romo is the exact same thing you are arguing that people do with Stafford.......excuses excuses. His stats look good......but at the end of the day all that guy has proven is that without an insane amount of talent around him......he's a .500 QB. One playoff appearance in 5 years. One. (Stafford has two)

This curtain of protection you mention is actually just people that understand the other circumstances that are involved in the Lions W/L record the last 4 years. I know part of it is #9.... Everyone but one person on this board (LKP) knows that.......and im not making any excuses for his poor play at times.....but to say he sucks or put everything squarely on him is short sighted.

I'm just not writing him off yet, that's all. It doesn't mean I don't see he has weaknesses or areas he needs to improve. For some reason, you and the rest of the doom and gloom crew just can't handle that.

 

[dubbsco]

... But Stafford hasn't even won a playoff game. And he's going into his 7th year...

No, the curtain of protection exists around Stafford because it's difficult for some people to realize that he's just an average QB, and it hasn't hit them yet. I expected the world out of him, and I used to be like the rest of the Stafford slappies, until I realized that maybe he's just not all that great. I did the excuse bit, needs more weapons, just give him more time.

Exactly when does everything line up perfectly for a quarterback? Probably not too often. That's when these guys who are the best of the best, step up and take their team further. He hasn't done that, or shown the ability to do it.

 

[tomdalton22]

Thanks for proving my point. Good QB's......even HOF QB's like Brees......miss the playoffs from time to time. Stafford got killed on this board last year for finishing behind "Flynn and McCown"......while Brees finished behind Derek Anderson! it's not a comparison of the two QB's, but of the circumstances of the not so great seasons they go through.

What your doing with Romo is the exact same thing you are arguing that people do with Stafford.......excuses excuses. His stats look good......but at the end of the day all that guy has proven is that without an insane amount of talent around him......he's a .500 QB. One playoff appearance in 5 years. One. (Stafford has two)

This curtain of protection you mention is actually just people that understand the other circumstances that are involved in the Lions W/L record the last 4 years. I know part of it is #9.... Everyone but one person on this board (LKP) knows that.......and im not making any excuses for his poor play at times.....but to say he sucks or put everything squarely on him is short sighted.

I'm just not writing him off yet, that's all. It doesn't mean I don't see he has weaknesses or areas he needs to improve. For some reason, you and the rest of the doom and gloom crew just can't handle that.

Since Stafford has been in the league Romo has 2 playoff appearances and 2 playoff wins.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Since Stafford has been in the league Romo has 2 playoff appearances and 2 playoff wins.

Yes, those 2 UNFORGETTABLE wild card weekend wins.......one handed to him from Goodell. Otherwise, they would have the same amount of playoff wins.

Yippee!!!!

I'm sure the Dallas fans are over the moon!!!

 

[kdp1980]

1 more year, that's it. If he's just average or below average next year, the Lions can draft a qb in the 1st round, and it wouldn't bother me one bit.

 

[sggatecl]

I still think that people are enamored with Stafford because of how fucking terrible his predecessors were. By comparison, Stafford is Brett FaRVe and people don't want to go back to Dan Majkowski. It's sad but understandable.

 

[dubbsco]

It's the Randy Smith, Dave Dombroski thing. Smith was just a pathetic GM that the Tigers had nowhere to go but up. DD has done some really good stuff, but he's a bit overrated IMO.