Greatest Leftfielder of All Time

[tomdalton22]

The athletes pre 1950 do not compare to the athletes of today. Look at the 100M records. Pre 1920 the record was 10.6 seconds. 1940s it was 10.3. 1968 they broke the 10 second barrier. Today it is 9.58 seconds. Heck, high school boys are running 10.5.

 

[Thumb]

The athletes pre 1950 do not compare to the athletes of today. Look at the 100M records. Pre 1920 the record was 10.6 seconds. 1940s it was 10.3. 1968 they broke the 10 second barrier. Today it is 9.58 seconds. Heck, high school boys are running 10.5.

Track time can be in large part attributed to the quality of the running shoes, wouldn't you think?

I mean if you tried to run in the shoes Jesse Owens ran in, you would have slow times too, compared to a nice pair of Nike or Reebok track shoes.

But as far as talent...nobody has come close to DiMaggio's hit streak, so where does that leave us?

 

[wolverine304]

Really? You think its because of shoes lol

 

[Thumb]

Really? You think its because of shoes lol

I think equipment is a contributing factor, don't you?

 

[tomdalton22]

The athletes pre 1950 do not compare to the athletes of today. Look at the 100M records. Pre 1920 the record was 10.6 seconds. 1940s it was 10.3. 1968 they broke the 10 second barrier. Today it is 9.58 seconds. Heck, high school boys are running 10.5.

Track time can be in large part attributed to the quality of the running shoes, wouldn't you think?

I mean if you tried to run in the shoes Jesse Owens ran in, you would have slow times too, compared to a nice pair of Nike or Reebok track shoes.

But as far as talent...nobody has come close to DiMaggio's hit streak, so where does that leave us?

The pitchers of today are much better than they were back then. DiMaggio wasn't facing 2 or 3 different pitchers in a game. He usually got to see the same guy 4 times in a game which is a huge benifit to the batter. Plus....all streaks have a lot of luck that go into them.

As far as your shoe argument....pretty lame.

 

[Thumb]

Track time can be in large part attributed to the quality of the running shoes, wouldn't you think?

I mean if you tried to run in the shoes Jesse Owens ran in, you would have slow times too, compared to a nice pair of Nike or Reebok track shoes.

But as far as talent...nobody has come close to DiMaggio's hit streak, so where does that leave us?

The pitchers of today are much better than they were back then. DiMaggio wasn't facing 2 or 3 different pitchers in a game. He usually got to see the same guy 4 times in a game which is a huge benifit to the batter. Plus....all streaks have a lot of luck that go into them.

As far as your shoe argument....pretty lame.

If you want to call it lame then fine, but put up or shut up, explain how it's lame.

Do you disagree about modern equipment giving an athlete an edge over one with inferior stuff?

And I'd be interested to see some data (since you toss it out there like it's a fact) that DiMaggio only faced the starting pitcher during his streak and did not see relievers, which would mean starters were able to work complete game more, which would contradict your theory about modern athletes being superior.

So let's see the data, otherwise your argument is pretty lame.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Hey, I'm kind of new here--how do you reply to someone's email so it goes in the box with your reply goes right below it, like you did in your last message?

Hit the quote button.

 

[Mitchrapp]

As far as being better athlete today, it doesn't really matter. They were comparitive to their time. If Ty Cobb was slower than Rickie Henderson, it doesn't really matter - they were both fast for their time.

 

[beez]

Mitch[/color]]As far as being better athlete today, it doesn't really matter. They were comparitive to their time. If Ty Cobb was slower than Rickie Henderson, it doesn't really matter - they were both fast for their time.

It does matter though if your trying to figure out who was the better athlete/player instead of who was the better player for their time.

 

[tycobb420]

Track time can be in large part attributed to the quality of the running shoes, wouldn't you think?

I mean if you tried to run in the shoes Jesse Owens ran in, you would have slow times too, compared to a nice pair of Nike or Reebok track shoes.

But as far as talent...nobody has come close to DiMaggio's hit streak, so where does that leave us?

The pitchers of today are much better than they were back then. DiMaggio wasn't facing 2 or 3 different pitchers in a game. He usually got to see the same guy 4 times in a game which is a huge benifit to the batter. Plus....all streaks have a lot of luck that go into them.

As far as your shoe argument....pretty lame.

There are a lot of craptacular pitchers today and every gen has about the same number of elites. Now, the pitching change argument is valid. However, DiMaggio also had a 61-game streak in the minors, so there was also something about the man himself.

 

[tycobb420]

All American War Hero-12 Convicted perjuror-9 Rickey-2 others-3

It's settled. Rickey wins!

Just kidding...I will call this one soon...it's been up for awhile now.

There has not been a new vote posted in awhile, so time to call it. Williams-12 Bonds-9

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]As far as being better athlete today, it doesn't really matter. They were comparitive to their time. If Ty Cobb was slower than Rickie Henderson, it doesn't really matter - they were both fast for their time.

It does matter though if your trying to figure out who was the better athlete/player instead of who was the better player for their time.

But if Henderson played back then he'd be slower and Cobb would be faster if he played in this time. So it doesn't matter.

 

[beez]

Mitch[/color]]

It does matter though if your trying to figure out who was the better athlete/player instead of who was the better player for their time.

But if Henderson played back then he'd be slower and Cobb would be faster if he played in this time. So it doesn't matter.

How do you know this? Does that mean that you would have been slower back in that era too? That seems like an extreme assumption.

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]

It does matter though if your trying to figure out who was the better athlete/player instead of who was the better player for their time.

But if Henderson played back then he'd be slower and Cobb would be faster if he played in this time. So it doesn't matter.

Henderson wouldn't have been able to play back then. Another reason the old timer records are tainted. No black athletes were allowed to play with them.

 

[tycobb420]

Mitch[/color]]

But if Henderson played back then he'd be slower and Cobb would be faster if he played in this time. So it doesn't matter.

Henderson wouldn't have been able to play back then. Another reason the old timer records are tainted. No black athletes were allowed to play with them.

Would not have mattered for the greats. Numbers would not have been different. The guys affected would have been the borderline players and marginal starters. Some All-Stars might have been forced to the bench. Stars would have remained stars.

 

[beez]

I just feel like it's completely unfair to assume a guy wouldn't have been as fast, strong etc because he was born 40 years prior. Humans have developed since then but you can't just assume Ricky Henderson wouldn't have been as fast back then. That seems dumb to me. Maybe I'm alone.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]

But if Henderson played back then he'd be slower and Cobb would be faster if he played in this time. So it doesn't matter.

How do you know this? Does that mean that you would have been slower back in that era too? That seems like an extreme assumption.

Well if the time was 10.6 for the best 100m in the 20's I doubt Henderson would have been the oddity and ran those guys into the ground.

 

[beez]

Mitch[/color]]

How do you know this? Does that mean that you would have been slower back in that era too? That seems like an extreme assumption.

Well if the time was 10.6 for the best 100m in the 20's I doubt Henderson would have been the oddity and ran those guys into the ground.

Why not? It's all assumption...everytime a human on earth break a record for speed should we just assume if he was born 10-15 years prior he never touches it?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Everything is an assumption. But come on, have some common sense.

 

[beez]

Mitch[/color]]Everything is an assumption. But come on, have some common sense.

lmao ok now its common sense. You can't ever have an opinion..your opinions are fact/common sense. There's no possible way Ricky Henderson could have been the athlete he was if he was born 20 years prior.