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it also still says florida and not miami. chances are he just hasnt updated it.kingofdetroit57 said:
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The one thing that bothers me with Castellanos is those 130 strikeouts at West Michigan. I'm not sure you can get better with those numbers. I hate strikeout guys.
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DD needs to get Hanley if he is available
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Yeah lets get this malcontent in the looker room. I would rather chew on razor blades then read this board after another ball Hanley Jogs after. Can you imagine the names this board would call him?
I say pass. Just my opinion and if we get him i will cheer all day for him till he explodes. Remember JP did not like the switch to third in Cleveland..
I say pass. Just my opinion and if we get him i will cheer all day for him till he explodes. Remember JP did not like the switch to third in Cleveland..
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HanRam is really tight with Miggy, and we've got solid veteran leadership with VMart and an experienced ego manager in Leyland. Besides that, we actually win games. Hanley would be fine here because he'd have a reason to play hard and teammates he liked playing with.[color=#006400 said:
Enough of the Peralta being a fixture at SS talk too. He's on a 2yr $11.5mil deal with the second year having a $500K buyout option. So, he's basically on a 1yr $6mil deal if we wanted to cut ties. He's got positive trade value after overachieving last season. He's more than expendable if he caused a big stink. That said, I doubt he would... he prefers SS, but seems happy here regardless of where he's playing on the field.
Anybody who is in favor of moving Peralta off SS for Hanley is an idiot.
Hanley is absolutely abysmal at SS, and Peralta is the much better defender.
It makes no sense whatsoever to move a better defensive player off a position for an inferior one, especially when the better one is already a member of the team.
If we acquire Hanley, he'd better be willing to move to 3B.
Hanley is absolutely abysmal at SS, and Peralta is the much better defender.
It makes no sense whatsoever to move a better defensive player off a position for an inferior one, especially when the better one is already a member of the team.
If we acquire Hanley, he'd better be willing to move to 3B.
Geez, it was only a couple yrs ago HanRam was considered 1 of the top talents in all baseball. Now after a rough patch, ppl are busting his chops. Weird. If Det could pick him up w/o giving up the farm, I'd do it yesterday. Get him, then worry about where he plays. Winning cures all ills.
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Not even a patch just one season. I would understand if had gone from good to average to bad but he went from great to mediocre and everyone thinks he's terriblebatcave76 said:
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i think its more that his defense has never been good and his attitude problems are really bad. he can still likely produce offensively at a really high level, but with all the other baggage im not sure anyone would be willing to take him on right now.
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I would take him and throw him in left.
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The Detroit Tigers could use an upgrade on their infield. Hanley Ramirez would be a huge addition for the Tigers. They could then shift Jhonny Peralta over to third base to solve their problems there.
Detroit would need to put together a fairly large package for Ramirez. It would likely be centered around star pitching prospect Jacob Turner and young outfielder Austin Jackson. There are more players that would need to be included in the deal, but Ken Rosenthal thinks that Detroit is a good fit for Ramirez.
Detroit would need to put together a fairly large package for Ramirez. It would likely be centered around star pitching prospect Jacob Turner and young outfielder Austin Jackson. There are more players that would need to be included in the deal, but Ken Rosenthal thinks that Detroit is a good fit for Ramirez.
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Hanley has not been himself since this incident happened in 2010.
MIAMI -- Florida Marlins shortstop Hanley Ramirez defended his play Tuesday and took shots at his manager and teammates, a day after he was pulled from a game for not hustling.
Ramirez, a two-time All-Star and last year's NL batting champion, wasn't in manager Fredi Gonzalez's starting lineup against Arizona. On Monday night, he accidentally kicked a ball and then lightly jogged after it, allowing two runs to score.
"It's his team. He can do whatever," Ramirez said, mixing in an expletive. "There's nothing I can do about it."
"That's OK. He doesn't understand that. He never played in the big leagues," he said.
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Responded Gonzalez: "He's right, but I know how to play the game."
"I played six years in the minor leagues and I know what it takes to play this game and I know the effort it takes to play this game," he said.
It seemed unlikely Ramirez would say he was sorry.
"We got a lot of people dogging it after ground balls," he said. "They don't apologize."
The trouble for Ramirez started in the first inning Monday night after he fouled a ball off his left shin and was tended to by a trainer. He grounded into a double play and did not run full speed down the line.
Ramirez's costly misplay came the next inning after Tony Abreu's looper fell near him in short left field. Ramirez booted the ball about 100 feet toward the left-field corner and slowly chased it.
"I wasn't trying to give up," Ramirez said. "That was the hardest I could go after the ball."
Ramirez was replaced by Brian Barden an inning after the play. Gonzalez, in his fourth season at Florida's manager, confirmed Ramirez was yanked for not hustling in the 5-1 loss.
Ramirez is hitting .293 with seven homers and 20 RBI this year. He is the Marlins' highest-paid player after signing a $70 million, six-year contract in 2008, and has become the face of a franchise that moves into a new ballpark in 2012.
For all his talent, however, there have been occasions in which some speculated Ramirez didn't always hustle. Nothing ever reached this level, though.
Barden started in place of Ramirez on Tuesday and drove in two runs during an 8-0 win over Arizona. Ramirez, who was on the field for batting practice, didn't comment after the game.
"It's our team. I'm just the guy that makes the lineup," Gonzalez said. "I can't control everybody going 4 for 4, but you can control the effort."
Ramirez said he lost some respect for Gonzalez for the episode.
"A little bit. We got 24 more guys out there," Ramirez said. "Hopefully they can do the same things I can do. They're wearing the Marlins uniform."
Veteran infielder Wes Helms hopes Ramirez apologizes to his teammates.
"I can't overlook it," Helms said. "I know people say that's just the way he is, but you know what? That's not the way it is. That's not the way the game's supposed to be played.
"And that's what we want from Hanley. We want him to be that guy that goes out there every day ... and busts his butt and does anything he can for his this team. That right there will earn the respect of not only his teammates, but everybody in the league."
Teammate Dan Uggla, a two-time All-Star second baseman, supported Gonzalez's decision.
Last September in a game against the Atlanta Braves, Uggla and Ramirez got into a heated discussion after the star shortstop left a game early with a strained hamstring.
"I think Skip needed to do what he needed to do, which was take Hanley out of the game at that time," Uggla said. "Does that mean we love Hanley any less? No, we have all made mistakes. We've all done things like, 'Oh, maybe I shouldn't have done that.' But you move on, you move forward you get past it."
Cameron Maybin, who hit a three-run homer Tuesday, also sided with Gonzalez.
"I think if it happened to anybody else in here, I think other teammates would feel the same way about it," Maybin said. "As long as you are playing hard nobody can really say anything bad about you. We definitely support Fredi's decision and we thought it was the right decision."
Gonzalez, who did not want to discuss the Ramirez situation after Tuesday's win, previously said he hoped the situation doesn't draw focus from his team.
"If it's handled the right way, I think it could be good," he said. "If it's not, it could be distraction, it could grow into some ugly stuff. But let's wait and see what happens. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill just yet."
MIAMI -- Florida Marlins shortstop Hanley Ramirez defended his play Tuesday and took shots at his manager and teammates, a day after he was pulled from a game for not hustling.
Ramirez, a two-time All-Star and last year's NL batting champion, wasn't in manager Fredi Gonzalez's starting lineup against Arizona. On Monday night, he accidentally kicked a ball and then lightly jogged after it, allowing two runs to score.
"It's his team. He can do whatever," Ramirez said, mixing in an expletive. "There's nothing I can do about it."
"That's OK. He doesn't understand that. He never played in the big leagues," he said.
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Responded Gonzalez: "He's right, but I know how to play the game."
"I played six years in the minor leagues and I know what it takes to play this game and I know the effort it takes to play this game," he said.
It seemed unlikely Ramirez would say he was sorry.
"We got a lot of people dogging it after ground balls," he said. "They don't apologize."
The trouble for Ramirez started in the first inning Monday night after he fouled a ball off his left shin and was tended to by a trainer. He grounded into a double play and did not run full speed down the line.
Ramirez's costly misplay came the next inning after Tony Abreu's looper fell near him in short left field. Ramirez booted the ball about 100 feet toward the left-field corner and slowly chased it.
"I wasn't trying to give up," Ramirez said. "That was the hardest I could go after the ball."
Ramirez was replaced by Brian Barden an inning after the play. Gonzalez, in his fourth season at Florida's manager, confirmed Ramirez was yanked for not hustling in the 5-1 loss.
Ramirez is hitting .293 with seven homers and 20 RBI this year. He is the Marlins' highest-paid player after signing a $70 million, six-year contract in 2008, and has become the face of a franchise that moves into a new ballpark in 2012.
For all his talent, however, there have been occasions in which some speculated Ramirez didn't always hustle. Nothing ever reached this level, though.
Barden started in place of Ramirez on Tuesday and drove in two runs during an 8-0 win over Arizona. Ramirez, who was on the field for batting practice, didn't comment after the game.
"It's our team. I'm just the guy that makes the lineup," Gonzalez said. "I can't control everybody going 4 for 4, but you can control the effort."
Ramirez said he lost some respect for Gonzalez for the episode.
"A little bit. We got 24 more guys out there," Ramirez said. "Hopefully they can do the same things I can do. They're wearing the Marlins uniform."
Veteran infielder Wes Helms hopes Ramirez apologizes to his teammates.
"I can't overlook it," Helms said. "I know people say that's just the way he is, but you know what? That's not the way it is. That's not the way the game's supposed to be played.
"And that's what we want from Hanley. We want him to be that guy that goes out there every day ... and busts his butt and does anything he can for his this team. That right there will earn the respect of not only his teammates, but everybody in the league."
Teammate Dan Uggla, a two-time All-Star second baseman, supported Gonzalez's decision.
Last September in a game against the Atlanta Braves, Uggla and Ramirez got into a heated discussion after the star shortstop left a game early with a strained hamstring.
"I think Skip needed to do what he needed to do, which was take Hanley out of the game at that time," Uggla said. "Does that mean we love Hanley any less? No, we have all made mistakes. We've all done things like, 'Oh, maybe I shouldn't have done that.' But you move on, you move forward you get past it."
Cameron Maybin, who hit a three-run homer Tuesday, also sided with Gonzalez.
"I think if it happened to anybody else in here, I think other teammates would feel the same way about it," Maybin said. "As long as you are playing hard nobody can really say anything bad about you. We definitely support Fredi's decision and we thought it was the right decision."
Gonzalez, who did not want to discuss the Ramirez situation after Tuesday's win, previously said he hoped the situation doesn't draw focus from his team.
"If it's handled the right way, I think it could be good," he said. "If it's not, it could be distraction, it could grow into some ugly stuff. But let's wait and see what happens. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill just yet."
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I agree.. Hanley is certainly athletic, but he's a poor man's Andrus at best.. A guy with mediocre to decent range but turns in a lot of errors.. People tend to overrate his defense based on his steals and offensive production, but he is not that great at SS.. I would move him if he were to come here..
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