Lions draft grades

[LKP]

I haven't said any of them were bad picks. ....i said alot of them were bad value.

Reach for a guard
High round rb....again
Won't play much and gave a 5th rd pick up
Gave up a 3rd next year for rotational dt

Mayhew has been known to just toss away value in drafts....and its obvious his strategy doesnt work when you look at previous drafts and none of them are still here.

Bad value? Or you are crazy? We got great value for each pick. Good talent to areas of need/depth.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stafford has way more TDs per game. And less ints per game. Stafford only had 12 ints this year. Stafford is the far better QB. It's not even close.

Ah, the not even close argument. Well how about this, Matt isn't top ten and it's not even close.

 

[tomdalton22]

I think most people base the value of the pick on what the "consensus" of the media & scouts say. From what I heard, most felt that Tomlinson was a 2nd round talent. Of course, everyone could be wrong! Heck, even the Lions didn't feel he was worth the 23rd pick!

 

[LKP]

Ah, the not even close argument. Well how about this, Matt isn't top ten and it's not even close.

Matt is top ten. Borderline top 5. Based on game tape and having to play without protection or run game most years.

 

[inkfreq]

Those who can.. do. Those who can't... teach. Those who can't teach.. teach gym.

And those who can't do anything, sit on T.V. and analyze. If Mel Kiper and the other talking heads were so "draft smart", they'd be hired away for HUGE money by some NFL team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiUqL2KLiM

 

[mhughes0021]

But you still haven't answered my question.

What was the right value for these picks. At what number SHOULD Laken Tomlinson have been drafted in order to achieve "value", and how do you arrive at that number?

If he's the guy we wanted, and he wouldn't have been there with our second pick, how do we say he wasn't a value with our first pick?

I did answer. I said he should have gone in the middle of the 2nd rd. Anything earlier is a reach. Reaches happen all the time. If they pan out then it was worth it. If not....all you did was lose value.

If our run game doesn't improve. ...did we really need to spend 2 high round picks on a guard and rb? Was it worth the value we lost?

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think most people base the value of the pick on what the "consensus" of the media & scouts say. From what I heard, most felt that Tomlinson was a 2nd round talent. Of course, everyone could be wrong! Heck, even the Lions didn't feel he was worth the 23rd pick!

The problem with that is picking 28 or him going to the 2nd round is basically 5 picks. It's not like they took him top ten..

 

[inkfreq]

I did answer. I said he should have gone in the middle of the 2nd rd. Anything earlier is a reach. Reaches happen all the time. If they pan out then it was worth it. If not....all you did was lose value.

If our run game doesn't improve. ...did we really need to spend 2 high round picks on a guard and rb? Was it worth the value we lost?

First of all, I asked for a pick number. Middle of round two? Is that pick 45? 52? Where?

But I also asked how to came to that number? Did you talk to coaches? Scouts? Did you pull it out of your magical ass crack?

If the answer is "mock drafts", then I would point out they have a hell of a lot more picks wrong every year than they do right, so they sure as hell aren't experts in the field. If the answer is a real answer, with real numbers, and real metrics to back it up, cool, I'd love to learn from you.

But right now you're jabbering about a perceived value and offering not a single valid thing to back it up.

 

[tomdalton22]

Those who can.. do. Those who can't... teach. Those who can't teach.. teach gym.

And those who can't do anything, sit on T.V. and analyze. If Mel Kiper and the other talking heads were so "draft smart", they'd be hired away for HUGE money by some NFL team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiUqL2KLiM

If I were to guess...Mel Kiper Jr. probably makes more from ESPN than any NFL scout or any other front office person outside of a GM / President of football operations.

 

[LKP]

Laken had late 1st value. And can be a very good player.

Value and needs. Mayhew gets an A++

 

[tomdalton22]

The problem with that is picking 28 or him going to the 2nd round is basically 5 picks. It's not like they took him top ten..

I thought them trading back and still getting him was a good move.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I saw some stat sheet some time okay about Kiper's mock's. He misses big time, more so than he should with as much as he talks and gets paid.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I thought them trading back and still getting him was a good move.

I know..I was just pointing out that he was close to a 2nd round pick.

 

[jared]

I did answer. I said he should have gone in the middle of the 2nd rd. Anything earlier is a reach. Reaches happen all the time. If they pan out then it was worth it. If not....all you did was lose value.

If our run game doesn't improve. ...did we really need to spend 2 high round picks on a guard and rb? Was it worth the value we lost?

I agree with the last statement for sure. But honestly, what would you be typing if they completely ignored the run game? Mayhew can't do anything right in your eyes. Ever.

For the record, I like the 1st round pick, but don't love it. I really thought after trading down and getting Ramirez (which I liked) that we would take the kid that the Patriots got at 32. That would have been perfect to me. I'm happy that we addressed needs.

 

[mhughes0021]

I agree with the last statement for sure. But honestly, what would you be typing if they completely ignored the run game? Mayhew can't do anything right in your eyes. Ever.

For the record, I like the 1st round pick, but don't love it. I really thought after trading down and getting Ramirez (which I liked) that we would take the kid that the Patriots got at 32. That would have been perfect to me. I'm happy that we addressed needs.

My thoughts exactly. But i get criticized for it because the homers don't allow anyone on here to have opinions that differ from mayhews. Not a single soul saw him as a 1st round pick on here until nayhew drafted him. Its like they all wash his balls or something.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I agree with the last statement for sure. But honestly, what would you be typing if they completely ignored the run game? Mayhew can't do anything right in your eyes. Ever.

For the record, I like the 1st round pick, but don't love it. I really thought after trading down and getting Ramirez (which I liked) that we would take the kid that the Patriots got at 32. That would have been perfect to me. I'm happy that we addressed needs.

I don't think it has anything to do with Mayhew. I didn't mind some of his picks, even the G, but I'm still not going to praise our GM for it. Based on past drafts, Mayhew gets an F for failure.

 

[mhughes0021]

I thought them trading back and still getting him was a good move.

As did i....but then we traded the pick we got to min for a spievey that wont play.

 

[Mitchrapp]

My thoughts exactly. But i get criticized for it because the homers don't allow anyone on here to have opinions that differ from mayhews. Not a single soul saw him as a 1st round pick on here until nayhew drafted him. Its like they all wash his balls or something.

That's the thing..I don't think anyone is praising Mayhew outside of our resident homer.

 

[mhughes0021]

Laken had late 1st value. And can be a very good player.

Value and needs. Mayhew gets an A++

Them why did you mock him to us in the 2nd? Does he have some serous character flaws? Maybe an injury mayhew didn't know about? Please share with us oh enlightened dumbass....why did you have him falling an entire round?

 

[tomdalton22]

Them why did you mock him to us in the 2nd? Does he have some serous character flaws? Maybe an injury mayhew didn't know about? Please share with us oh enlightened dumbass....why did you have him falling an entire round?

He was trying to fool all of the GM's around the league that come to this website to spy on his brilliance! Only he an MM knew this guy was a first round talent!