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[Mitchrapp]

They were much better than a 4 win team. And Bentley and Green do not blow at all.

You keep saying that yet their win total was still 4. You can bring up injuries, stuff that normally doesn't happen or ST yet those were our players, Detroit Lions players. You know the ones who dropped the ball and gave up TDs and got those injuries..

 

[motown1958]

i guess ill focus on the people i complain about the most:

Broyles - Lavonte David, Peter Konz, Lamichael James, Casey Hayward all would have hands down produced more than broyles did. (This one is to early to tell)

Titus - Orlando Franklin (i mocked him to us), Ben Ijalana ( ben Ijalana has been injured since entering the league, I also wanted Franklin)

Leshoure - Torrey Smith, Randal Cobb, Kelvin Sheppard, John Moffit, Martez Wilson (I played high school ball with Torrey so I was hoping we would pick him but since we went Titus we couldnt go smith, Martez wilson sucks, Cobb is another WR so your point sucks, and Sheppard is Ok but LB wasnt a need at the time also nothing spectacular) also I agree that Leshoure hasnt payed huge dividends last year but really showed a high goal line presence this team hasnt had in a long time.

not to mention we gave up a pick to move up....i would hope that you agree we havent seen a return on our investment in the leshoure trade. Either that or we can just stop the debate now cause its not fair to debate with mental patients.

Best - Saffold, Tj Ward, Gronk, Zane Beadles, (Best had outproduced all of these guys) Saffold is mediocre, Ward didnt have nearly the upside still not that good, Beadles is pretty good. But Best was a difference maker. Gronk was a no because we had Grew the year before. You would have been just as pissed about that pick initially.

Spievey- bag of popcorn would be an upgrade but i had navarro bowman mocked to us. Emannuel Sander, asamoah, moeaki, jimmy graham are some others. (I cant defend this pick you are right to hate him. Never was going to play CB in this league) Bowman was my guy as well. I liked Graham but We just couldnt draft a TE we had Grew and traded for Scheff so it would have made no sense.

Levy/dwill- louis vasquez, mike wallace, ladarius webb...basically any LB with 2 legs can fill a hole beter than levy....pick one.(webb is good because of baltimore, Wallace was passed over by us and the Patriots so I guess Bill is a moron too. Vasquez has played but is on a team that also cant run the ball that effectively.

I just edited your post.

 

[LKP]

You keep saying that yet their win total was still 4. You can bring up injuries, stuff that normally doesn't happen or ST yet those were our players, Detroit Lions players. You know the ones who dropped the ball and gave up TDs and got those injuries..

And the ones who have a ton of talent and probably won't do it again. Pettigrew has never lost a fumble until this year. 4 special teams in 2 games. Come on get serious if you think that will happen again. Calvin never lost 3. Logan is gone. LeShoure fumbled 3 times and lost 100%. I guarantee the Lions won't lose 16 fumbles next year and Stafford have 17 ints. I guarantee we won't lose our WRs 2-4 for 5 games at the same time and WRs 2-4 and TE for 4 games at the same time going 0-5 in those games.

The Lions -10 TDS allowed to forced was the worst in the league. The -16 turnover differential was not a trend wiht +4 and +11 the previous two years. The Lions have added a ton more talent to an already talented team. You can win 4 and play much better than that. Hence why the Lions lost by PPG was 6th lowest in the league. This team has talent to win 10-12 games. They need to put it together along with coaches and not shoot themselves in the foot. Mayhew did his job getting talent. If they fire Mayhew it would be the biggest mistake other than hiring Millen and Russ Thomas.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And the ones who have a ton of talent and probably won't do it again. Pettigrew has never lost a fumble until this year. 4 special teams in 2 games. Come on get serious if you think that will happen again. Calvin never lost 3. Logan is gone. LeShoure fumbled 3 times and lost 100%. I guarantee the Lions won't lose 16 fumbles next year and Stafford have 17 ints. I guarantee we won't lose our WRs 2-4 for 5 games at the same time and WRs 2-4 and TE for 4 games at the same time going 0-5 in those games.

The Lions -10 TDS allowed to forced was the worst in the league. The -16 turnover differential was not a trend wiht +4 and +11 the previous two years. The Lions have added a ton more talent to an already talented team. You can win 4 and play much better than that. Hence why the Lions lost by PPG was 6th lowest in the league. This team has talent to win 10-12 games. They need to put it together along with coaches and not shoot themselves in the foot. Mayhew did his job getting talent. If they fire Mayhew it would be the biggest mistake other than hiring Millen and Russ Thomas.

And probably won't do it again, lol. Yeah because they all decided to mess up the same year.

 

[LKP]

And probably won't do it again, lol. Yeah because they all decided to mess up the same year.

Probably not. Based on their careers it's a fluke that they all played so bad. Plus we added talent at DE, Guard and CB and RB and safety. So no they won't do it again.

I bet you they have a positive turnover differential in 2013.

 

[tonyballs]

i guess ill focus on the people i complain about the most:

Broyles - Lavonte David, Peter Konz, Lamichael James, Casey Hayward all would have hands down produced more than broyles did.

Titus - Orlando Franklin (i mocked him to us), Ben Ijalana

Leshoure - Torrey Smith, Randal Cobb, Kelvin Sheppard, John Moffit, Martez Wilson

not to mention we gave up a pick to move up....i would hope that you agree we havent seen a return on our investment in the leshoure trade. Either that or we can just stop the debate now cause its not fair to debate with mental patients.

Best - Saffold, Tj Ward, Gronk, Zane Beadles,

Spievey- bag of popcorn would be an upgrade but i had navarro bowman mocked to us. Emannuel Sander, asamoah, moeaki, jimmy graham are some others.

Levy/dwill- louis vasquez, mike wallace, ladarius webb...basically any LB with 2 legs can fill a hole beter than levy....pick one.

lmfao.....thats a great "we should of drafted this guy" list, man. You almost named the whole NFL....lol. You're in the wrong business.....derp

 

[motown1958]

lmfao.....thats a great "we should of drafted this guy" list, man. You almost named the whole NFL....lol. You're in the wrong business.....derp

Not to mention when I looked at those drafts and thought about it I thought about value and needs at that time. This list has us drafting olinemen that wont play until this year, Lbs that wouldnt have started except Bowman who would beat out Levy althought I think he excels in the 3-4 interior he is in now might not in our 4-3. Also has us taking guys that were worse than who we drafted. Not sure I dont like mayhew more now.

 

[Mitchrapp]

That's for prosperity, LKP. It was a fluke we won 4 games. A fuckin' fluke.

:lmao:

 

[LKP]

That's for prosperity, LKP. It was a fluke we won 4 games. A fuckin' fluke.

:lmao:

It was a fluke having -16 turnover differential (+4 in 2010 and +11 in 2011) and beyond terrible DE play(see compared to 2010/2011) which led to 4-12. Won't happen again. Plus Stafford 30 TDs thrown sounds more about his ability.

 

[LKP]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/tahir-whitehead?id=2532986

5th or 6th round value hughes. They got him in a 5th and a future 4th is worth a 5th. Plu the Lions got the comp pick with Devin Taylor. We'll see how he does compare to Hodges/Greene the next few years.

 

[mhughes0021]

lmfao.....thats a great "we should of drafted this guy" list, man. You almost named the whole NFL....lol. You're in the wrong business.....derp

that only strengthens my point lol. I could blindly pick names out of a hat and get more production than dwill, broyles, leshoure, titus. Mayhew fucking blows lmao. Every miss pick is a wasted opportunity. Imagine if we just went with orlando franklin and navarro bowman. That means we wouldnt have to use a 3rd this year on warford and we wouldnt have traded up for craphead which in turn gives us another 4th this year. Just those 2 small missed opportunites could have turned into other holes being filled in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Unfortunately he hasnt only missed 2 opportunities....its been 5, 6, 7 misses which turn into repeat picks of the same position which turn into reaches to desperately fill certain positions and trade ups which automatically lose value. WHen the list is that loooooong of people you coulda had and instead you have nothing but crap....welp....that should paint a crystal clear picture of how shitty he is as a gm.

 

[mhughes0021]

Not to mention when I looked at those drafts and thought about it I thought about value and needs at that time. This list has us drafting olinemen that wont play until this year, Lbs that wouldnt have started except Bowman who would beat out Levy althought I think he excels in the 3-4 interior he is in now might not in our 4-3. Also has us taking guys that were worse than who we drafted. Not sure I dont like mayhew more now.

That was the year we rushed for less than a yard over center and less than a yard to the right side. Main man mayhew decided that "continuity" would solve the issues. Yes his master plan was that 4 people that completely suck at run blocking (not including sims) would miraculously become good at run blocking if they just sucked together long enough. LMAO....are you fucking shitting me? Thats the plan? Well, needless to say the plan backfired and we continued to suck running the ball for the next 2 years after that. Soooooo....at the time we had a very very big need along the oline.....we just have a douchebag gm that didnt think so and he obviously is good at brainwashing fans like yourself that believe everything he says.

 

[mhughes0021]

I just edited your post.

your edit was fair....im surprised lol.

 

[mhughes0021]

It was a fluke having -16 turnover differential (+4 in 2010 and +11 in 2011) and beyond terrible DE play(see compared to 2010/2011) which led to 4-12. Won't happen again. Plus Stafford 30 TDs thrown sounds more about his ability.

-16 is not a fluke when you have no one in the defensive back 7 that can cause turnovers. Theres no playmakers back there at all. OUr lbs cant even cover let alone make plays in the passing game. florence joke. lacey joke. bartell joke. wendling joke. carey joke. Houston puts himself in a good position to make plays but he by no means is a "ballhawk." The "strength" of our team was the dline who couldnt create consistent pressure all year. QBs had all day to pick us apart. Youre not getting turnover when you dont pressure the qb.

Stafford made way too many bad decisions which helped that -16 number as well. He plain and simply needs to be better in 13'.

 

[motown1958]

I have no problem acknowledging the weaknesses this team has had drafting since the 1960's...? I guess. This team has been a perennial shit show for well over a decade made better by 10 years of the greatest player to ever play the game. That being said Mayhew's drafts have not been as horrible as you would indicate. Your list of alternate players is still shit even with hindsight. Some of them are good some are decent and some probably wouldnt have been as good on our team because they had a surrounding cast and elite players to learn from where they ended up. This is why the draft is a crapshoot. Also you have to look at who we had on our team and the contract they were playing under to decide if drafting a replacement player would be worth it. We had levy, Tully and Durant. We all know that Levy is barely adequate but the coaches and staff like him for some unknown reason, so it can be determined that a guy we draft wont start over him so why select someone in the second. A wr could affect the game as a rotational guy or in a multi wide set which is where the offense was headed. So complimentary pieces to our best two players was more of a need and worth the pick. We had no running game so they drafted backs when we all knew Gosder, Peterman and raiola cant open holes. That being said the guys they drafted guys with good vision and were able to make plays until injury. Best was a positive yardage guy for us when healthy and a difference maker, they knew he couldnt play full time so you go get an athletic big man to loosen the D and get positive yards unfortunately he tears a achilles which takes two full years to come back from so I look for more production there. Oline I cant comprehend why we hadnt replaced Peterman or Gosder. In all seriousness there was guys available but obviously they didnt think it was necessary and it cost them. But now they have some pieces there in sims, reiff and warford. They like Fox which no one here can comment on because we havent seen anything from him yet but I will say last preseason he looked fine and Raiola more than likely is off the books this year and we replace him. We have a revamped secondary with some good pieces and the LB corp is a relative unknkown. Not sure who the third guy is or if Levy can finally put it all together. The athleticism is there for him and the instincts but he is scared to be out of position which in fact puts him out of position. The depth on this team is still thin in most areas but it takes time. Mayhew has been fine now we just need our players to play at a high level. All he can do is evaluate and draft they still have to play the game.

 

[LKP]

-16 is not a fluke when you have no one in the defensive back 7 that can cause turnovers. Theres no playmakers back there at all. OUr lbs cant even cover let alone make plays in the passing game. florence joke. lacey joke. bartell joke. wendling joke. carey joke. Houston puts himself in a good position to make plays but he by no means is a "ballhawk." The "strength" of our team was the dline who couldnt create consistent pressure all year. QBs had all day to pick us apart. Youre not getting turnover when you dont pressure the qb.

Stafford made way too many bad decisions which helped that -16 number as well. He plain and simply needs to be better in 13'.

It wasn't the turnovers forced, it was the turnovers allowed that were the flukes. Plus the 10 TDs allowed which was worst in the league and not typical of the Lions. Mainly the fumbles and some of Staffords picks.

Turnovers forced Delmas, Bentley being healthy could change things plus Slay. They forced a ton of turnovers in 2011 with Berry, Wright and Spievey. Agreed they need more DE pressure and they have addressed that.

 

[tonyballs]

that only strengthens my point lol. I could blindly pick names out of a hat and get more production than dwill, broyles, leshoure, titus. Mayhew fucking blows lmao. Every miss pick is a wasted opportunity. Imagine if we just went with orlando franklin and navarro bowman. That means we wouldnt have to use a 3rd this year on warford and we wouldnt have traded up for craphead which in turn gives us another 4th this year. Just those 2 small missed opportunites could have turned into other holes being filled in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Unfortunately he hasnt only missed 2 opportunities....its been 5, 6, 7 misses which turn into repeat picks of the same position which turn into reaches to desperately fill certain positions and trade ups which automatically lose value. WHen the list is that loooooong of people you coulda had and instead you have nothing but crap....welp....that should paint a crystal clear picture of how shitty he is as a gm.

i just dont agree with you, man. im tired of fighting with you on it anyways. Its all about system and fits with teams now in the NFL. Some players get drafted too early and some go later than they should. You're not the Messiah and you cant predict the future......oh well, one day you'll understand? No...

Mayhew should be on the hotseat this year anyways. Heres hoping the Lions win 5 games this year so your boy gets the boot!!! :^/

 

[LKP]

i just dont agree with you, man. im tired of fighting with you on it anyways. Its all about system and fits with teams now in the NFL. Some players get drafted too early and some go later than they should. You're not the Messiah and you cant predict the future......oh well, one day you'll understand? No...

Mayhew should be on the hotseat this year anyways. Heres hoping the Lions win 5 games this year so your boy gets the boot!!! :^/

Here's hoping the Lions win 12 plus some playoff games so hughes shuts his pie hole.

 

[mhughes0021]

Here's hoping the Lions win 12 plus some playoff games so hughes shuts his pie hole.

looking forward to being wrong so i can eat crow. But its very simple for me....when you have a 4 win team with very little depth and cap issues.....it adds up to the GM not doing a very good job. He had to replace/resign 11 starters this offseason. The good news being is the people he was replacing werent very good. The bad news is hes counting on fox, 3 rookies, reiff at LT and didnt ever get around to filling the other OLB spot. Thats a lot of things that need to go right. I give him credit for having a good off season this year. The draft was solid and he did well in FA. But for me...that the first time in years i can say that.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Here's hoping the Lions win 12 plus some playoff games so hughes shuts his pie hole.

Again, in case you don't realize it. You're not a better fan than other one else and won't be more excited, if we win 12 games, than anyone else. If we all agreed there would be no point in a sports forum.

"We will win 12"

"I agree"

"I agree"

"I also agree"

"I agree"

Thread closed do to boredom.