LVH Win Totals - Lions 8 Wins

[LKP]

you posted his shitty split stats, not me. Wilson plays within the structure of a prepared plan and your argument is that Stafford is better because he is asked to do more and Wilson would do worse on this team?... very weak and speculative.

bottom line is that Wilson will have more SB wins at the end of his career than Stafford. at the end of the day, QB's are judged by SB wins.... know why? because they do not panic when the pressure is on. Stafford folds under pressure and your split stats prove it.

no wishy washy speculation. just hard cold facts.

speculation would be to say Wilson would have got the Lions to the playoffs but that is not realistic but probable when looking at the splits.especially 3rd and 4th quarter stars.

Wilson is junk under pressure too. Wilson rides the turnover coat tails. He can't lead a team to anything. Stafford can even when the team around him crumbles with injury and fumbles lost and no turnover support.

 

[tomdalton22]

And you fucked up your calculation. Stafford at 400 attempts like Wilson is 11 picks per year at his current int rate. And you are doing yardage per game. Stafford last 3 years, full years, 4881 yards per year average.

No you moron. I based it on 600 attempts per year. Stafford's numbers go down because he attempts more than 600 passes per year.

 

[LKP]

No you moron. I based it on 600 attempts per year. Stafford's numbers go down because he attempts more than 600 passes per year.

It wouldn't drop to 4,100 yards. Stafford gets attempts due to converting first downs.

And you can't extrapolate the rate. More attempts is tougher to keep a higher rate. That makes you the moron.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Talk about your numbers all you want..but when you see him get progressive worse as the season went on, bad fourth quarters..bad in crunch times who cares if he throws for 8000 yards. He fits the definition of anti-clutch.

 

[tomdalton22]

It wouldn't drop to 4,100 yards. Stafford gets attempts due to converting first downs.

And you can't extrapolate the rate. More attempts is tougher to keep a higher rate. That makes you the moron.

The only rate that might be more difficult to extrapolate is the TD rate. The yards per attempt are what they are and the INT rate would stay the same as well. Wilson is by far the more efficient QB which is reflected in his superior YPA, TD per attempt, INT per attempt and SIGNIFICANTLY higher QB rating. Oh, and can't forget about his 500+ yards per year rushing. Wilson > Stafford.

6.99 YPA x 600 = 4194 yards

 

[LKP]

The only rate that might be more difficult to extrapolate is the TD rate. The yards per attempt are what they are and the INT rate would stay the same as well. Wilson is by far the more efficient QB which is reflected in his superior YPA, TD per attempt, INT per attempt and SIGNIFICANTLY higher QB rating. Oh, and can't forget about his 500+ yards per year rushing. Wilson > Stafford.

6.99 YPA x 600 = 4194 yards

Wilson is not efficient. His defense gives him short fields. 31 more turnovers than the Lions in the last 2 years. Wilson does not have to march Seattle 80 yards often.

 

[dubbsco]

Could you imagine if Stafford played for a market that actually is critical of their players and don't constantly give out free passes? Forgive, forgive, second chance after second chance. He better prove it this season, or he's gotta go.

 

[dubbsco]

But I thought the Lions had a defense comparable to Seattles? How does that work? I love how you pick and choose which side of the argument you want to use.

 

[LKP]

The only rate that might be more difficult to extrapolate is the TD rate. The yards per attempt are what they are and the INT rate would stay the same as well. Wilson is by far the more efficient QB which is reflected in his superior YPA, TD per attempt, INT per attempt and SIGNIFICANTLY higher QB rating. Oh, and can't forget about his 500+ yards per year rushing. Wilson > Stafford.

6.99 YPA x 600 = 4194 yards

YPA drops, TD rate drops and int rate rises with more attempts. You can't compare that way. The difficulty for Wilson to maintain those rates with 250 more attempts is the concept you don't get. Wilson doesn't have to do that because his defense gets him way more turnovers. He is put in a great situation to look efficient but he's not better than Stafford.

 

[LKP]

But I thought the Lions had a defense comparable to Seattles? How does that work? I love how you pick and choose which side of the argument you want to use.

No fumble recovery rate. Bad luck. CB injuries. Houston healthy and Slay developed can match Seattle CB production in ints. Safeties and LBs did match.

 

[Mitchrapp]

But I thought the Lions had a defense comparable to Seattles? How does that work? I love how you pick and choose which side of the argument you want to use.

That's what cracks me up..he talks about how great our defense is, OL awesome..very good RB tandem and yet we suck but it's all on the defense, OL, RB etc..

 

[LKP]

That's what cracks me up..he talks about how great our defense is, OL awesome..very good RB tandem and yet we suck but it's all on the defense, OL, RB etc..

Overall good and just as talented, some games not so good. 5 bad rushing days. No Waddle for 4 of them and no Bush for 2 of them. No Calvin/another weapon 2 games wiht poor pass pro those days. But overall good using all 16 games for the Oline.

Some games injured. Seattle didn't play in a blizzard without Lynch.

Lions can match Seattles turnovers with Houston healthy and Slay developed. Sherman didn't have a hamstring and toe injury.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Overall good and just as talented, some games not so good. 5 bad rushing days. No Waddle for 4 of them and no Bush for 2 of them. No Calvin/another weapon 2 games.

Some games injured. Seattle didn't play in a blizzard without Lynch.

Lions can match Seattles turnovers with Houston healthy and Slay developed. Sherman didn't have a hamstring and toe injury.

You forgot the injuries to Seattle's wide receivers..but I guess that doesn't matter..apparently in your diluted mind Calvin missing two games is worse than their top guys missing the entire season.

 

[LKP]

You forgot the injuries to Seattle's wide receivers..but I guess that doesn't matter..apparently in your diluted mind Calvin missing two games is worse than their top guys missing the entire season.

It wasn't just Calvin for those 2 games. It was Calvin plus one or two other big weapons. Plus Waddle (hurt run game) and pass pro happened to be poor.

Seattle is built differently. Them losing a Harvin and Rice is like the Lions losing Bell. With 39 turnovers, it didn't matter who they had at WR and it didn't matter who they had at QB.

 

[LKP]

If Benett and Avril had the injuries Ansah and Jones had, Seattle would have been done. If Sherman had a bum hamstring and bad toe, they are fucked too.

 

[tomdalton22]

It wasn't just Calvin for those 2 games. It was Calvin plus one or two other big weapons. Plus Waddle (hurt run game) and pass pro happened to be poor.

Seattle is built differently. Them losing a Harvin and Rice is like the Lions losing Bell. With 39 turnovers, it didn't matter who they had at WR and it didn't matter who they had at QB.

yet you say that the defenses are equal but Seattle created 39 turnovers and the Lions 22. They had 44 sacks and the Lions had 33. They allowed 273.6 yards per game and the Lions 346.6. They allowed 14.4 points per game and the Lions 23.5

Those don't appear to be equal to me.

 

[brewer229]

yet you say that the defenses are equal but Seattle created 39 turnovers and the Lions 22. They had 44 sacks and the Lions had 33. They allowed 273.6 yards per game and the Lions 346.6. They allowed 14.4 points per game and the Lions 23.5

Those don't appear to be equal to me.

Seattle got Lucky.

They are lucky Sherman has the ability to defend the WR. They were lucky their Dline created pressure and sacks, they were lucky their QB didn't turn the ball over and put them in bad positions, they were lucky the rest of their secondary has talent. They were lucky their guys could takle with the first guy, they were lucky their players have the ability to strip the ball and anticipate passes.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It wasn't just Calvin for those 2 games. It was Calvin plus one or two other big weapons. Plus Waddle (hurt run game) and pass pro happened to be poor.

Seattle is built differently. Them losing a Harvin and Rice is like the Lions losing Bell. With 39 turnovers, it didn't matter who they had at WR and it didn't matter who they had at QB.

So our PT running back is worth their top two WR? :lmao:

:tup:

 

[LKP]

Seattle got Lucky.

They are lucky Sherman has the ability to defend the WR. They were lucky their Dline created pressure and sacks, they were lucky their QB didn't turn the ball over and put them in bad positions, they were lucky the rest of their secondary has talent. They were lucky their guys could takle with the first guy, they were lucky their players have the ability to strip the ball and anticipate passes.

They didn't have the DE and number 1 CB injuries. Definitely luckier team. Played weaker offenses as well.

 

[tomdalton22]

They didn't have the DE and number 1 CB injuries. Definitely luckier team. Played weaker offenses as well.

well, they did play better defenses. What impactful DE injury did the Lions suffer. As far as the #1 CB injury...if Houston was on Seattle and got injured it would not impact them since he would be 4th on their depth chart.