LVH Win Totals - Lions 8 Wins

[LKP]

Stafford may be the most over rated QB in the NFL. Gets a bunch of yards because of the the number of passes he throws but he is not accurate and turns the ball over too much.

Stafford does a great job getting first down conversions is why he has so many yards. More first downs is more attempts.

Stafford is very accurate and is screwed by drops by his weapons and injured weapons.

Stafford has a great ratio of ints that are his fault to his attempts.

Stafford basically does it all without turnovers and an inconsistent run game in 2013 and poor run game in 2011/2012. Stafford is a stud. He is the most underrated QB in the league by far.

 

[jdeb]

Wilson lives off his defense. It's a joke how overrated he is.

You did not look at the link on the splits for Wilson. It is the same site you posted the shitty splits for Stafford. You are such a tool. You provided your own death.

 

[LKP]

You did not look at the link on the splits for Wilson. It is the same site you posted the shitty splits for Stafford. You are such a tool. You provided your own death.

400 attempts and receivers that catch the ball better.Short fields from 39 turnovers. Wilson does basically nothing

 

[LKP]

Wilson in Detroit 600 attempts, 42% completion 17 Tds and 28 picks.

 

[LKP]

Wilson sucks under pressure
Wilson is a check down chump
Only 12 drops 4.5 comp % difference between the two QBs due to drops

 

[mhughes0021]

Wilson in Detroit 600 attempts, 42% completion 17 Tds and 28 picks.

So just about the same as stafford. Bunch of fucking shitty qbs...

 

[LKP]

So just about the same as stafford. Bunch of fucking shitty qbs...

Stafford 29 TDs and a bunch of rushing TDs on long drives. Truly 62% completion and only 12 ints his fault.

Stafford is good borderline elite.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stafford 29 TDs and a bunch of rushing TDs on long drives. Truly 62% completion and only 12 ints his fault.

Stafford is good borderline elite.

You are either his brother or boyfriend, no other way to figure out why you stand up for him..

 

[dubbsco]

Here's the difference: Wilson is a winner. Stafford is not. Since you seemed to ignore the stats that I threw at you about Wilson's two years, I'll just put it to you like that. Wilson gets overlooked because of his defense. I would take him in a heartbeat over Stafford. He understands the game, he can move, he's a winner. Stafford is none of those things.

Oh I forgot, Seattle had a ton of weapons on offense (rolls eyes). He actually made his players, wait for it, BETTER! Quite the concept.

 

[dubbsco]

Most UNDERRATED QB in the league? Replace the word under with over, and I'd agree with you.

 

[tomdalton22]

Wilson in Detroit 600 attempts, 42% completion 17 Tds and 28 picks.

Over his 2 year career Wilson has averaged 8.09 yards, 0.065 TDs and 0.023 INTs per attempt.

So with 600 attempts this would be his line given his career averages.

4854 yards, 39 TDs, 14 INTS

Stafford's numbers using his career averages per attempt

4194 yards, 26 TDs, 18 INTs

 

[dubbsco]

Wilson's a winner. And it's funny, since LKP says it's all about the defense... According to him, the Lions have a defense close to Seattle... So why isn't Stafford leading this team to the glory with such a stout defense?? Answer: Guy isn't that good. I'd take Wilson over Stafford at this point.

 

[LKP]

Over his 2 year career Wilson has averaged 8.09 yards, 0.065 TDs and 0.023 INTs per attempt.

So with 600 attempts this would be his line given his career averages.

4854 yards, 39 TDs, 14 INTS

Stafford's numbers using his career averages per attempt

4194 yards, 26 TDs, 18 INTs

Wilson can't keep that pace. Wilson has never been close to 39 TDs by year. When the attempts go up the ratio will decrease for Wilson. Plus Stafford doesn't get the turnovers that Wilson gets. Stafford is way better than Wilson.

 

[LKP]

Wilson's a winner. And it's funny, since LKP says it's all about the defense... According to him, the Lions have a defense close to Seattle... So why isn't Stafford leading this team to the glory with such a stout defense?? Answer: Guy isn't that good. I'd take Wilson over Stafford at this point.

2012 Lions had injuries and one less safety, 2013 some injuries to DE/Cbs and they didn't get the fumble recovery bounces and had less CB ints but same LB/safety int total. Lions with Houston healthy and Slay development can match ints with Seattle.

 

[LKP]

Over his 2 year career Wilson has averaged 8.09 yards, 0.065 TDs and 0.023 INTs per attempt.

So with 600 attempts this would be his line given his career averages.

4854 yards, 39 TDs, 14 INTS

Stafford's numbers using his career averages per attempt

4194 yards, 26 TDs, 18 INTs

And you fucked up your calculation. Stafford at 400 attempts like Wilson is 11 picks per year at his current int rate. And you are doing yardage per game. Stafford last 3 years, full years, 4881 yards per year average.

 

[dubbsco]

When you say, "the attempts go up the ratio will decrease", what exactly are you basing that on? Two years, he's got over a 100 career passer rating. Even if he doesn't maintain that, he'll still be in the 90-100 range, which Stafford won't ever sniff for his career average.

 

[LKP]

When you say, "the attempts go up the ratio will decrease", what exactly are you basing that on? Two years, he's got over a 100 career passer rating. Even if he doesn't maintain that, he'll still be in the 90-100 range, which Stafford won't ever sniff for his career average.

It's easier to have a high TD rate with that many turnovers and that few attempts.

If Wilson has to lead longer drives down the field like Stafford, that TD rate per attempt obviously drops because every pass is not a TD.

And more attempts only leads to more int opportunities. Three or four more picks in 200 attempts increases the int ratio.

And this proves it will drop. 3rd down conversion rate. Seattle only 17th in the league. If he can't convert, he can't get the TDs.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct

 

[jdeb]

it cracks me up. he posts a stafford splits link and I posted wilsons from the same site. can't even admit or see Wilson is the better QB stat wise. doesn't give Wilson any credit for impressive stats and SB win which he lit it up in the 2nd half to secure the win

 

[LKP]

it cracks me up. he posts a stafford splits link and I posted wilsons from the same site. can't even admit or see Wilson is the better QB stat wise. doesn't give Wilson any credit for impressive stats and SB win which he lit it up.

Wilson's life is very easy due to turnovers. He isn't asked to do much and has receivers that don't drop the ball. He has much more to prove.

Lions offese 81 TDs the last 2 years with only 39 turnovers from their defense

Seattle 83 TDs with 70 turnovers.

When Stafford had 34 turnovers, he had 41 TDs and 5,000 yards. Stafford is the better QB and has the proper situation now with Tate/Ebron and the new staff.

You can't just look at per attempt. You have to look at everything. Production, turnovers, drop rates, attempts, opponents, injuries. Based on that, Stafford is the better QB who is asked to do more.

 

[jdeb]

Wilson's life is very easy due to turnovers. He isn't asked to do much and has receivers that don't drop the ball. He has much more to prove.

Lions offese 81 TDs the last 2 years with only 39 turnovers from their defense

Seattle 83 TDs with 70 turnovers.

When Stafford had 34 turnovers, he had 41 TDs and 5,000 yards. Stafford is the better QB and has the proper situation now with Tate/Ebron and the new staff.

You can't just look at per attempt. You have to look at everything. Production, turnovers, drop rates, attempts, opponents, injuries. Based on that, Stafford is the better QB who is asked to do more.

you posted his shitty split stats, not me. Wilson plays within the structure of a prepared plan and your argument is that Stafford is better because he is asked to do more and Wilson would do worse on this team?... very weak and speculative.

bottom line is that Wilson will have more SB wins at the end of his career than Stafford. at the end of the day, QB's are judged by SB wins.... know why? because they do not panic when the pressure is on. Stafford folds under pressure and your split stats prove it.

no wishy washy speculation. just hard cold facts.

speculation would be to say Wilson would have got the Lions to the playoffs but that is not realistic but probable when looking at the splits.especially 3rd and 4th quarter stars.