Minicamp notes

[dubbsco]

Other than one good year, Chris Houston has been an average CB at best. Just like Matt Stafford, one good year makes the whole thing look decent. Guy gets burned consistently, doesn't force any turnovers, and can't tackle. But other than that, he's great.

 

[LKP]

Other than one good year, Chris Houston has been an average CB at best. Just like Matt Stafford, one good year makes the whole thing look decent. Guy gets burned consistently, doesn't force any turnovers, and can't tackle. But other than that, he's great.

2 good years(2011/2012) and one solid for Houston in 2010. Your assessment of one good year for Houston is terrrible. Same with Stafford.

 

[dubbsco]

And Stafford's BEST year, he still has a lower rating than Wilson. Love it.

2009- 13 TD, 20 INT
2010- Not enough stats, injured
2011- 46 TD, 16 INT. Best year, still didn't break 100 for rating
2012- 20 TD, 17 INT
2013- 29 TD, 19 INT

Total- 107 TD, 73 INT. That, my friend, is not a good ratio.

Compare it to a good friend Phil Rivers who you think Stafford is superior to
Total- 221 TD, 104 INT. That is a real NFL QB. And a 96 QB career rating, which trumps Matty Stafford's pretty pathetic rating.

Ready up the: Injuries, bad luck, weather response.

 

[LKP]

And Stafford's BEST year, he still has a lower rating than Wilson. Love it.

2009- 13 TD, 20 INT
2010- Not enough stats, injured
2011- 46 TD, 16 INT. Best year, still didn't break 100 for rating
2012- 20 TD, 17 INT
2013- 29 TD, 19 INT

Total- 107 TD, 73 INT. That, my friend, is not a good ratio.

Compare it to a good friend Phil Rivers who you think Stafford is superior to
Total- 221 TD, 104 INT. That is a real NFL QB. And a 96 QB career rating, which trumps Matty Stafford's pretty pathetic rating.

Ready up the: Injuries, bad luck, weather response.

Wilson lives off turnovers for TDs. Open your eyes.

Stafford 34 turnovers from his defense, 41 TDs with no run game. Wilson has never done that.

 

[dubbsco]

Thought Lions defense was equal to Seattle?

 

[LKP]

Thought Lions defense was equal to Seattle?

Talent wise it is. Injuries at DE/CB/S caused a difference in production.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I could live with 29 TD 19 INT if his completion% was up, he was consistent in his play, he wasn't full fail late in games, 50 over throws etc..but all of it adds up to be a poor QB.

 

[LKP]

I could live with 29 TD 19 INT if his completion% was up, he was consistent in his play, he wasn't full fail late in games, 50 over throws etc..but all of it adds up to be a poor QB.

His completion % was fine but looked worse than it was due to the drop rate was 3% higher at least than league average. 61.5%, 29 TDs and 19 ints (with 12 his fault) in 634 attempts is good. Especially without many short fields and missing WRs 2/3 most of the year and Calvin banged up most of the year. 5 losses run game was 3.4 YPC or less. No support there. The two games without Calvin, the Oline shit the bed in pass protection and run blocking (but was good overall on the season).

The hate for Stafford is completely unjustified. He makes players better but even a good QB can only do so much. Ogletree and Ross came on in October and didn't even know the playbook.

 

[LKP]

A Detroit defense that blitzes and plays press and is not predictable scheme wise will get enough turnovers for Stafford.

Better weapons and 3 QB gurus and Lombardi taking advantage of matchups will decrease the turnovers allowed. Coming back with Linehan, i think they could knock off 10 turnovers(due to fumble recovers, some bad luck picks) but I like the Lombardi/Caldwell situation better to mix things up with routes and matchups.

 

[mhughes0021]

Minicamps are just a way of guaging certain players. You have your starters set in stone and hopefully a few gems pop up and prove they can play. Looks like either the media or team is pushing Ross this year to be that guy.

they did an awesome job pushing Patrick Edwards to be that guy last year lol.

 

[mhughes0021]

Rothstein wouldn't be surprised if Houston doesn't play a snap this year then gets released at year end.....said it 2 days ago I thought something seemed fishy that a toe injury 8 months ago would keep you from atleast standing on the sidelines for camp with a new coach.


Terry Welsh ? Top Commenter ? Port Huron, Michigan

Word is Houston won't play a down this year. He will probably be put onto the PUP, and let go after the season.


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Mike Rothstein ? Top Commenter ? Ann Arbor, Michigan

That wouldn't surprise me, Terry, if that were the case.


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[Monster]

LKP, I have a question for you. I get that Hughes and some of the other guys here are probably a bit too hard on certain players, but you're wayyyyyy too optimistic. I mean, you talk so highly of guys like Houston who really has proven to be no better than a typical #2 CB in his best two years, and when someone disagrees with you, you take it so personally. You go out of your way to PROVE that you're right about how great the certain player or position group is. Why?

I get that sometimes that people go too far and it's appropriate to set them straight, but dude...you really seem to have a level of investment in this team that I have never seen. Why do you do this?

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'll be honest, I problem wouldn't be so vocal about Stafford if LKP wasn't so optimistic and spew his "I know more than all of you" stuff. My opinion wouldn't change but I'd just not say as much.

 

[sggatecl]

LKP, I have a question for you. I get that Hughes and some of the other guys here are probably a bit too hard on certain players, but you're wayyyyyy too optimistic. I mean, you talk so highly of guys like Houston who really has proven to be no better than a typical #2 CB in his best two years, and when someone disagrees with you, you take it so personally. You go out of your way to PROVE that you're right about how great the certain player or position group is. Why?

I get that sometimes that people go too far and it's appropriate to set them straight, but dude...you really seem to have a level of investment in this team that I have never seen. Why do you do this?

I still maintain that it's the most elaborate troll job I've ever seen.

 

[LKP]

LKP, I have a question for you. I get that Hughes and some of the other guys here are probably a bit too hard on certain players, but you're wayyyyyy too optimistic. I mean, you talk so highly of guys like Houston who really has proven to be no better than a typical #2 CB in his best two years, and when someone disagrees with you, you take it so personally. You go out of your way to PROVE that you're right about how great the certain player or position group is. Why?

I get that sometimes that people go too far and it's appropriate to set them straight, but dude...you really seem to have a level of investment in this team that I have never seen. Why do you do this?

I hate when people are misinformed about the Lions. Especially Lions fans


Houston has been a good number 1 CB for the Lions from 2010-2012. The numbers back that up and so does the game tape.

Stafford is a good QB who not only doesn't get the support but also has more against him than other QBs due to injuries, run game (most of his career and some 2013), longest drives of anyone last year, 31st in fumbles lost, drops, less turnovers forced etc. Most QBs you pick 1 or 2 of those things, Stafford has to deal with them all and still puts the Lions in a good position. You want to blame Stafford for 3 home losses from 9 turnovers fine, but there are 16 games in a season and the good far outweighs the bad.

 

[kalinecountry]

Tony check your private message box.

 

[dubbsco]

Yes, Stafford is a good QB. But that's not what the Lions drafted him with the #1 pick to be. He needs to be elite. And he's not. He's so much further from being elite than you think. And the fact that there are articles coming out now about how his mechanics and footwork are being worked on scares me for a guy who's in his 6th year. Hopefully he puts it together and leads them far.

But every time the season ends and we look back at all the times he blew leads, or couldn't push this team over the top, it gets frustrating. At some point we have to stop talking about his God-given talent and realize he may just be a good, sometimes very good qb with frequent moments of Lionism. Lions drafted Stafford to be a game-changer, ie Drew Brees. He's not, and he's not even close unfortunately. His career stats speak for themselves. They are average at best.

 

[LKP]

Yes, Stafford is a good QB. But that's not what the Lions drafted him with the #1 pick to be. He needs to be elite. And he's not. He's so much further from being elite than you think. And the fact that there are articles coming out now about how his mechanics and footwork are being worked on scares me for a guy who's in his 6th year. Hopefully he puts it together and leads them far.

But every time the season ends and we look back at all the times he blew leads, or couldn't push this team over the top, it gets frustrating. At some point we have to stop talking about his God-given talent and realize he may just be a good, sometimes very good qb with frequent moments of Lionism. Lions drafted Stafford to be a game-changer, ie Drew Brees. He's not, and he's not even close unfortunately. His career stats speak for themselves. They are average at best.

His career stats through 61 games are better than Brees and Manning were. That is a fact. Right now Stafford is better than Manning and Brees than they were during their early careers.

 

[dubbsco]

Let's just use the full 5 years, since that's the entire picture, no more picking and choosing which stats you want to do:

Stafford- 109 TD/73 INT- 83.1 rating
Brees- 80 TD/53 INT- 86.64 rating
Manning- 138 TD/100 INT- 85.9 rating

How is that a fact again? After the first five years, it was pretty obvious that Manning was going to be a stud. Brees had a change of scenery and blew up. Stafford hasn't trended upward whatsoever. If he didn't have one massive year, his stats would be even more pedestrian than they already are.

 

[mhughes0021]

His career stats through 61 games are better than Brees and Manning were. That is a fact. Right now Stafford is better than Manning and Brees than they were during their early careers.

Were in a culture now where talent is expected to develop faster....rookies start right away and the ones that do start right away are expected to succeed. Stafford has started right away....was injured for 2 years, had 1 good season, then sucked the rest of his career. That's not living up to #1 overall expectations. Andrew Luck has led a shit roster to the playoffs multiple years, Russel Wilson won the superbowl, Cam, RG3 prior to his knee, Kaep....theres examples of success all over the place with good young qbs. Thru his first 61 games....hes underachieved. And if he turns out to be like Brees and Manning....then good for the lions cause that's what they are paying him that much money to be and that means they FINALLY got what they are paying him for. BUUUUUT....you (LKP) have proven that your magically fantasy predictions never come true. Soooo by assuming that hes taking the path of Brees and Manning you essentially have just killed his career and we as lions fans should now expect total disaster and the selection of a new qb within a couple years. Way to go LKP!