Mortensen reporting Suh to Dolphins

[inkfreq]

I don't believe at all they offered Suh 17 a year. It's all BS. Why wait until he's gone to offer that? If they offered it before he would have taken it.

The NFL has three negotiating periods...

The "open" period, when teams can do whatever they pretty well please with Free Agents.

The "negotiating position" period, when teams can state when they "theoretically" would do, without making an actual offer, for three days before free agency opens.

The "regular season and playoffs" when teams are not at all allowed to discuss terms of a potential deal with a player under contract with another team, but they do it all the time through backdoor conversations with agents and "friends" anyway.

Suh knew months ago the Dolphins would beat any offer the Lions made. I am sure we did offer $17MM a year, and I would be horribly shocked if they didn't try to beat Miami's offer.

Suh won't take it because the Dolphins will top anything we throw out, and he doesn't want to be here if the money is close. Why? because state income tax in Florida on the amount of money he's making equates to about $24MM over the life of the contract in Michigan.

The Lions would need to beat Miami's deal by about $25MM to make it a superior offer, and even then... Miami is a much more fun town to be in than Detroit.

I figure the Lions really need to up the offer by about $35MM to have a shot, and they can't do that.

 

[jared]

The NFL has three negotiating periods...

The "open" period, when teams can do whatever they pretty well please with Free Agents.

The "negotiating position" period, when teams can state when they "theoretically" would do, without making an actual offer, for three days before free agency opens.

The "regular season and playoffs" when teams are not at all allowed to discuss terms of a potential deal with a player under contract with another team, but they do it all the time through backdoor conversations with agents and "friends" anyway.

Suh knew months ago the Dolphins would beat any offer the Lions made. I am sure we did offer $17MM a year, and I would be horribly shocked if they didn't try to beat Miami's offer.

Suh won't take it because the Dolphins will top anything we throw out, and he doesn't want to be here if the money is close. Why? because state income tax in Florida on the amount of money he's making equates to about $24MM over the life of the contract in Michigan.

The Lions would need to beat Miami's deal by about $25MM to make it a superior offer, and even then... Miami is a much more fun town to be in than Detroit.

I figure the Lions really need to up the offer by about $35MM to have a shot, and they can't do that.

Nor should they.

 

[biggunsbob]

The ineptness of our front office should never surprise us..

 

[Mitchrapp]

The NFL has three negotiating periods...

The "open" period, when teams can do whatever they pretty well please with Free Agents.

The "negotiating position" period, when teams can state when they "theoretically" would do, without making an actual offer, for three days before free agency opens.

The "regular season and playoffs" when teams are not at all allowed to discuss terms of a potential deal with a player under contract with another team, but they do it all the time through backdoor conversations with agents and "friends" anyway.

Suh knew months ago the Dolphins would beat any offer the Lions made. I am sure we did offer $17MM a year, and I would be horribly shocked if they didn't try to beat Miami's offer.

Suh won't take it because the Dolphins will top anything we throw out, and he doesn't want to be here if the money is close. Why? because state income tax in Florida on the amount of money he's making equates to about $24MM over the life of the contract in Michigan.

The Lions would need to beat Miami's deal by about $25MM to make it a superior offer, and even then... Miami is a much more fun town to be in than Detroit.

I figure the Lions really need to up the offer by about $35MM to have a shot, and they can't do that.

Stupid franchise as always if they tried to beat that offer. I still don't believe it, just trying to save face.

 

[inkfreq]

Stupid franchise as always if they tried to beat that offer. I still don't believe it, just trying to save face.

If they offer was really $17MM a year, with $58MM guaranteed, they would only need to increase the offer slightly to match it.

$2MM more in guaranteed, and $2MM more each year of the deal basically. They are within the ballpark.

If they have made an offer that high, they would be stupid to not try and go a little further to see if they can get it done. They won't get it done, he want to be gone, but you have to try when you've gone that far.

All in all, it doesn't matter. They can't offer enough to make it worth it to him to stay. The state income tax is enough to make the difference. Michigan's is high nationally, and Florida has none. You get into a deal that big, it's like having extra free years worth of pay built in.

Suh is gone, and the Lions have already lost most of their best options in Free Agency. The draft is where they will have to look for talent now.

 

[LKP]

If they offer was really $17MM a year, with $58MM guaranteed, they would only need to increase the offer slightly to match it.

$2MM more in guaranteed, and $2MM more each year of the deal basically. They are within the ballpark.

If they have made an offer that high, they would be stupid to not try and go a little further to see if they can get it done. They won't get it done, he want to be gone, but you have to try when you've gone that far.

All in all, it doesn't matter. They can't offer enough to make it worth it to him to stay. The state income tax is enough to make the difference. Michigan's is high nationally, and Florida has none. You get into a deal that big, it's like having extra free years worth of pay built in.

Suh is gone, and the Lions have already lost most of their best options in Free Agency. The draft is where they will have to look for talent now.

Even if they match, still have the income tax difference and the fact Miami is a nicer warmer city.

 

[Mitchrapp]

That's why I think they didn't offer that. You can go 17-58 but can't go 19-60? Or more? Just to save face like when the offer for Avril.

 

[LKP]

That's why I think they didn't offer that. You can go 17-58 but can't go 19-60? Or more? Just to save face like when the offer for Avril.

they didn't want to overpay, a match and Miami still has the weather and state income tax.

 

[zyxt9]

If Fairley goes, that's TWO ENTIRE draft classes since 2010 that are gone.

And the blame for that is entirely on Mayhew, IMO.

If he didn't restructure contracts, if he made better picks, if he did better in FA, and if he would have axed Schwartz sooner at a minimum these things are on Mayhew.

The city maybe plays a part of it, but considering how many Tigers and Wings have stayed for their entire careers, to me it is more about whether or not a team can compete for championships instead of barely and hopefully making the playoffs. Management, when good, keeps teams in the mix for championships, earns respect from players, creates an atmosphere of family and wanting to belong and hoping not to be traded and thereby giving more to succeed than elsewhere.

It also means players are making the correct salary based on performance and leadership. Suh is getting more than his correct salary from Miami.

Could have drafted someone else, Mayhew wanted Suh. Now he is paying for that decision but maybe he can make lemonade. Based on history I don't hold out much hope, but maybe he has been able to learn. Based on the Ebron pick, I would have to say he has not though.

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah I don't buy the city angle as a major factor. If the Lions were a consistent winner with Suh and he saw playoff success, he would have re-signed.

 

[inkfreq]

Yeah I don't buy the city angle as a major factor. If the Lions were a consistent winner with Suh and he saw playoff success, he would have re-signed.

I don't buy it either. However, you have to admit, if the offers were equal, if both states had the exact same income tax, if everything was identical...

You'd take Miami over Detroit. All that fine trim on the beach, that Cuban flavor in the festivals, Spring Break, party central all the time...

Or snow. Lots of fucking snow. More snow than should be allowed by the laws of nature. And when there is no snow.. there is ice. And Fish Flies.

Shit, I would be learning to salsa dance already, and I am white so that would not be pretty.

 

[dubbsco]

Hey, I've lived here my entire life. I outgrew the party scene a decade ago. Of course I wish the weather didn't suck as much as it does, but it's only for 3-4 months.

The one thing you get in this state are fans that are beyond passionate about professional athletics. People in FLA don't give a shit about their programs.

 

[inkfreq]

Hey, I've lived here my entire life. I outgrew the party scene a decade ago. Of course I wish the weather didn't suck as much as it does, but it's only for 3-4 months.

The one thing you get in this state are fans that are beyond passionate about professional athletics. People in FLA don't give a shit about their programs.

Which is good, because Suh doesn't give a shit either. He wants to win, but the name on the front of his jersey doesn't matter as much as the name at the bottom of his paychecks.

He wants to have fun, lay in the sun, and enjoy fried plantains and paella. Which I am down with. He wants big boobs and big cars, and on Sunday's 16 weeks a year, he will do his job to the best of his ability, and then have fun after.

I don't blame the guy.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Miami has its dangerous parts plus the possible hurricanes. Miami isn't so great..

 

[inkfreq]

New Orleans has parts still levelled by Katrina, and a high crime rate too.. but damned if it ain't a FUN city!

 

[Mitchrapp]

New Orleans has parts still levelled by Katrina, and a high crime rate too.. but damned if it ain't a FUN city!

If fun is the new disgusting then you have a point.

 

[tomdalton22]

Hey, I've lived here my entire life. I outgrew the party scene a decade ago. Of course I wish the weather didn't suck as much as it does, but it's only for 3-4 months.

The one thing you get in this state are fans that are beyond passionate about professional athletics. People in FLA don't give a shit about their programs.

right...and 1/2 of those months it is football season.

Miami >>>Detroit and it isn't even close.

 

[inkfreq]

If fun is the new disgusting then you have a point.

I was in the Big Easy last year man, and am headed back this year. There are still parts that are nothing but a wasteland, but the majority of the city is rebuilt and fine, and partying harder than ever.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I was in the Big Easy last year man, and am headed back this year. There are still parts that are nothing but a wasteland, but the majority of the city is rebuilt and fine, and partying harder than ever.

I hope you didn't mean Bourbon street. Went once at 19, the place was disgusting.

 

[sggatecl]

Sort of unrelated.

Couldn't stand being a fan of a team like Miami these days. One of those hopelessly mediocre franchises of the last decade or so, same for teams like Tennessee, Cincinnati, San Diego, Dallas to an extent (and probably a few more). They're always sort of in the hunt every year...a playoff possibility until the last 2 weeks usually, they may get in but they'll fail to do anything significant and they never seem to get over the hump. Never great or terrible. Just a giant tease every year.

At least when the Lions suck, we know they suck...we usually don't have to wait until week 16 to find out. It's why I'm hoping the Lions either become good and stay good or peak (hopefully with a SB!) and hit bottom again.

It really is amazing how much time this saves me. Good point and thank you Lions for keeping me in mind all these years.