MSU basektball recruiting

[lucke]

I gotta say that the few times I've seen this kid play, he looked like crap (McDonald's AA game and the Nike hoops summit)... He looked lost at times going against other top prospects, but that's just a really small sample size of "all star games" only. I still see us being a very good team without him next year though.

 

[Sbee]

The Swanigan camp has reached out to msu to see if there is still a spot if he were to come back to us. Not saying it's going to happen but we're not out of it

 

[johnny2x2x]

The Swanigan camp has reached out to msu to see if there is still a spot if he were to come back to us. Not saying it's going to happen but we're not out of it

Recruiting can be bizarre, but this one might take the cake. The only way Izzo would take him back is if he faxed in his LOI during the phone call. And he probably won't take him back at all.

 

[Spartanmack]

Unless the rumors about demands for special living quarters and a personal chef are true, I don't see Izzo turning down a top 5 kid. he's been through this enough to know these are kids, not men who are making very complicated decisions and dealing with handlers, parents and the media.

Maybe if he's vacilating between us and others because of things like the weather or team colors or he just can't make up his mind - that might be an indication of flakiness or problems down the road. But if he's really trying to find a place where he can play the position he thinks will get him to the next level, I doubt Izzo would hold that against him. If the kid really can play and he wants to come to MSU without egregious demands, Izzo would be a fool not to take him.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

I'll admit, when Swanigan's decommit first broke, the very first thing I thought was, "What team suddenly offered him big $$$ to play for them?" That says a lot about the way I view the NCAA, AAU circuit, and the state of college basketball. I'm as guilty as anyone of viewing these kids' decisions through my own adult eyes.

If his decommit came from a demand for money or special treatment, then let him walk and don't even open the door to taking him back. If his decommit came from the pressure of a family member or handler, well, you can't fully fault Swanigan. Bring him back if he wants to be a Spartan, but not if it requires Izzo to compromise his integrity.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Unless the rumors about demands for special living quarters and a personal chef are true, I don't see Izzo turning down a top 5 kid. he's been through this enough to know these are kids, not men who are making very complicated decisions and dealing with handlers, parents and the media.

Maybe if he's vacilating between us and others because of things like the weather or team colors or he just can't make up his mind - that might be an indication of flakiness or problems down the road. But if he's really trying to find a place where he can play the position he thinks will get him to the next level, I doubt Izzo would hold that against him. If the kid really can play and he wants to come to MSU without egregious demands, Izzo would be a fool not to take him.

It's not about the kid, it's about his guardian, Barnes, Barnes wants Swanigan to go to a school where he can angle in on his teammates to try to become their agents in the NBA. Swanigan wants to go to MSU, his NBA chances are basically the same wherever he goes, to Barnes it's a business and he's trying the capitalize financially. Barnes is a scum bag.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

It's not about the kid, it's about his guardian, Barnes, Barnes wants Swanigan to go to a school where he can angle in on his teammates to try to become their agents in the NBA. Swanigan wants to go to MSU, his NBA chances are basically the same wherever he goes, to Barnes it's a business and he's trying the capitalize financially. Barnes is a scum bag.

Barnes is a businessman working in a competitive business. I'd normally be all on board with calling him a scum bag, but look at the world he lives in. Is anything he's doing worse than the general state of NCAA basketball? If anyone still believe the NCAA is anything but a business looking at its own bottom line, they are fooling themselves. Colleges make money hand over fist off these kids, and don't give a damn about whether they actually get an education or make it to the NBA.

 

[MSUMatt28]

Hopefully it is just a case of him not being able to make up his mind or maybe some outside pressure, and not some of the other stuff regarding his demands of Izzo.

The deal of him wanting to play the 4 in college doesn't make much sense either if that is truly an issue. On most college teams 4's are stretch 4's now anyway and he isn't going to be that. When he's receiving the ball on the block and getting 30 touches a game, it doesn't matter if we're calling him a 4 or a 5 and it won't impact his ability to play the 4 in the NBA. However, he might not have much fun running out on the perimeter and having to guard other stretch 4's in college.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's not about the kid, it's about his guardian, Barnes, Barnes wants Swanigan to go to a school where he can angle in on his teammates to try to become their agents in the NBA. Swanigan wants to go to MSU, his NBA chances are basically the same wherever he goes, to Barnes it's a business and he's trying the capitalize financially. Barnes is a scum bag.

If that's true, it sounds like a case where a kids is being manipulated by those close to him as opposed to him making unreasonable demands (playing time, etc) that may even put the program at risk (special benefits). If you're right and the kid ultimately tells those handlers to go pound sand because he wants to be a Spartan, there's no way Izzo turns him down. No way - unless Izzo's ego is so big that he's willing to shoot himself in the foot to make a point. I don't think that's the case.

 

[Spartanmack]

Barnes is a businessman working in a competitive business. I'd normally be all on board with calling him a scum bag, but look at the world he lives in. Is anything he's doing worse than the general state of NCAA basketball? If anyone still believe the NCAA is anything but a business looking at its own bottom line, they are fooling themselves. Colleges make money hand over fist off these kids, and don't give a damn about whether they actually get an education or make it to the NBA.

Most of this is true but you don't measure scumbaggery on a relative basis. You don't get a pass on being a scumbag if you're just trying to keep up in a world filled mostly with scumbags.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Most of this is true but you don't measure scumbaggery on a relative basis. You don't get a pass on being a scumbag if you're just trying to keep up in a world filled mostly with scumbags.

You are right.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

I'll admit, when Swanigan's decommit first broke, the very first thing I thought was, "What team suddenly offered him big $$$ to play for them?" That says a lot about the way I view the NCAA, AAU circuit, and the state of college basketball. I'm as guilty as anyone of viewing these kids' decisions through my own adult eyes.

If his decommit came from a demand for money or special treatment, then let him walk and don't even open the door to taking him back. If his decommit came from the pressure of a family member or handler, well, you can't fully fault Swanigan. Bring him back if he wants to be a Spartan, but not if it requires Izzo to compromise his integrity.

http://kentucky.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Kentucky-major-player-for-Swanigan-37282727

 

[MSUMatt28]

Most of this is true but you don't measure scumbaggery on a relative basis. You don't get a pass on being a scumbag if you're just trying to keep up in a world filled mostly with scumbags.

I agree. You don't get a pass because you chose a scumbag profession.

 

[wheels002]

These players are all manipulated by the people around them. Look at how many kids enter the NBA draft when they arent ready. Their careers are cut short because people are pushing them to go so they can get a piece of their money. They think about now and not 5 years from now when they have no career and no degree and now the people that were around them are gone because the money is gone.

The fail rate for one and done has to be about 80-90%

 

[gotime909]

These players are all manipulated by the people around them. Look at how many kids enter the NBA draft when they arent ready. Their careers are cut short because people are pushing them to go so they can get a piece of their money. They think about now and not 5 years from now when they have no career and no degree and now the people that were around them are gone because the money is gone.

The fail rate for one and done has to be about 80-90%

I'd say that it's closer to the opposite.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

I guess it depends on ones definiton of "failure rate". If its means "meeting expectations" if youre a first round pick then id assume the failure rate would be quite high. How many become an all -star or average 15 points a game for 3-4 years and earn more than 5,000,000 a year for 3-4 years. Its really subjective. One player might have good head on his shoulders, be on the roster for 2 years barely play and can still figure a way to grow the few million they made. Most first round pics dont become all-stars so for me id say the failure rate is quite high based upon expectations.

 

[gotime909]

There really hasn't been a ton of "flops" with the one and done crowd. Not nearly as many as the straight from HS kids anyways.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/04/11/nba-one-and-done-history-zach-lavine

 

[gotime909]

After Kentucky was considered the "leader" all last week, Swanigan decides on Purdue.

 

[gotime909]

Out of the running on J W III. He took us off his list. Makes you wonder if waiting on Swanigan cost us Williams.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

Out of the running on J W III. He took us off his list. Makes you wonder if waiting on Swanigan cost us Williams.

That pisses me off fucking swanigan :argh: