MSU pres. Resigns

[tinselwolverine]

This is part of why I think it's so important for there to be a very thorough investigation before individual doctors/associates face the court of public opinion. When you have this many victims, you have to believe Nassar was really good at hiding it/deflecting complaints. It is amazing and scary to me that it went on as long as it did without a parent or another doctor figuring out what was going on and speaking up.

I watched the Jemelle Hill show on ESPN today.

They interviewed a big MSU donor about this - I can't remember who it was - (it wasn't Eli Broad), and basically, he blamed the parents of the victims.

Nice.

 

[Michlady]

I have also wondered about the parents. But they say Nasser Was good at grooming them like he groaned the girls. Even after the study a couple years ago where he was told to have someone in the room with them, he would shield is Body so that the parents couldn't see what was happening. I also think it's an extremely competitive sport and some of these girls didn't complain

However the first complaint was way back around 2003 and some of the girls went to the coaches at Michigan State if they were on the teams, but nothing happened. I think some of the girls felt there was no point in complaining. It is also for some of these we are very competitive girls and afraid if they said something their chances would be hurt ( remember a lot of the victim for not Michigan State athletes )


I would hope the parents everywhere learn to listen to their daughters/sons and to incur age them to not be afraid to report. But I wouldn't blame the parents-I think this was a total breakdown of a system in a culture in some of the sports. I also think when this started in 2000 which is when the first victim said she was assaulted people didn't talk about these things

 

[Gulo Blue]

Yeah. To be entirely clear, I'm not blaming any parents like that BOT moron. I think there must be some truth to the idea that Nassar was a skilled manipulator.

 

[thewolverines24]

I watched the Jemelle Hill show on ESPN today.

They interviewed a big MSU donor about this - I can't remember who it was - (it wasn't Eli Broad), and basically, he blamed the parents of the victims.

Nice.

ESPN has let her go apparently. No one on earth cares.

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[tinselwolverine]

I have also wondered about the parents. But they say Nasser Was good at grooming them like he groaned the girls. Even after the study a couple years ago where he was told to have someone in the room with them, he would shield is Body so that the parents couldn't see what was happening. I also think it's an extremely competitive sport and some of these girls didn't complain

However the first complaint was way back around 2003 and some of the girls went to the coaches at Michigan State if they were on the teams, but nothing happened. I think some of the girls felt there was no point in complaining. It is also for some of these we are very competitive girls and afraid if they said something their chances would be hurt ( remember a lot of the victim for not Michigan State athletes )


I would hope the parents everywhere learn to listen to their daughters/sons and to incur age them to not be afraid to report. But I wouldn't blame the parents-I think this was a total breakdown of a system in a culture in some of the sports. I also think when this started in 2000 which is when the first victim said she was assaulted people didn't talk about these things

Okay.

Who are you, and how did you steal MichLady's log in credentials?

 

[thewolverines24]

Yeah. To be entirely clear, I'm not blaming any parents like that BOT moron. I think there must be some truth to the idea that Nassar was a skilled manipulator.

Most pedophiles are. That's why they should be eradicated.

Estimated 750,000 pedophiles on earth. They should all drink poison tomorrow. They can't be rehabilitated and that's been scientifically proven.

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[gobluebigjon]

Okay.

Who are you, and how did you steal MichLady's log in credentials?

Lmao

 

[gobluebigjon]

Mark was pretty defiant in his impromptu interview tonight and I thought he was in more trouble the Izzo.

Yep if true...he was complicit. I think he?s a dick but I always thought he?s been a solid person, this casts doubts on that

 

[tinselwolverine]

ESPN has let her go apparently. No one on earth cares.

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Wow.

That was fast.

I almost never have watched ESPN for a few years except for live sportscast of Michigan games; I remember Jemele Hill from her show with Michael Smith His and Hers and The Sports Reporters.

Didn't know she was on Sports Center because I don't watch it. One of my TVs was tuned in to ESPN when I turned it on this afternoon because I had watched the Michigan basketball game last night and that's how I happened to see the intro about the Outside the Lines investigation that was the topic of the show.

 

[biggunsbob]

I'm confused . I saw her on espn today ? I read she was just not going to be on sports center any more and she is moving within the Compay.. she has a 4 year contract , and is only in year 1.


https://www.salon.com/2018/01/26/jemele-hill-explains-her-sudden-sportscenter-departure-on-twitter/

https://www.vox.com/2018/1/26/16936812/jemele-hill-espn-sportscenter-departure-trump-tweets

 

[Michlady]

https://www.si.com/tech-media/2018/01/26/jemele-hill-leaving-sportscenter-sc6-for-undefeated

Going tnan espn microsite

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'm confused . I saw her on espn today ? I read she was just not going to be on sports center any more and she is moving within the Compay.. she has a 4 year contract , and is only in year 1.


https://www.salon.com/2018/01/26/jemele-hill-explains-her-sudden-sportscenter-departure-on-twitter/

https://www.vox.com/2018/1/26/16936812/jemele-hill-espn-sportscenter-departure-trump-tweets

Yeah.

I looked it up tonight, and it appears her departure from Sports Center was agreed upon awhile back to do other things at ESPN.

I have a little bit of a love/hate feeling towards her, truth be told.

 

[TheVictors]

Yeah.

I looked it up tonight, and it appears her departure from Sports Center was agreed upon awhile back to do other things at ESPN.

I have a little bit of a love/hate feeling towards her, truth be told.

She?s an angry ball of hate.

 

[Sbee]

I've been out of town for a few days, I was interested to see the reaction on this board just out of intrigue. I thought there would be a lot of inflammatory trolling but there's actually a lot of honest dialogue on the issue.

Just a few thoughts related to previous posts, not going to quote them all.

I think ESPN is trying to throw a large blanket over unrelated things, Nassar was a monster, he deserves to be in jail until he dies and he will. The gymnastics coach was fired last year but is either criminally negligent or a sociopath, one or the other. It's unfortunate that Simon and Hollis had to step down, I think they're good people. I don't think it's fair, but as the leader of an organization, some people think you're responsible for all of the behavior that happens in that organization, if that's your rationale, then they should step down. Just a clarification though, Nassar and the athletic trainers don't report up through the athletic department, they are the medical staff, not athletic.

On Izzo

The Appling and Payne thing is total BS, the Ingham county prosecutor investigated the allegations almost 8 years ago and determined that no crime had occurred, not that there wasn't evidence, not that the accuser declined to press charges, but that no crime happened, no rape. If you believe in the justice system then you should accept that they are exonerated. No blame to Izzo for not suspending them since it was determined they hadn't committed a crime.

The Walton case is the most disturbing, not as much the assault, as bad as that could be. That was investigated and no charges filed, I believe in guilty until proven innocent and the accused has rights. That's not the concern, there's a vague reference to a rape involving Walton and two other basketball players. There aren't a lot of details about that, if ESPN had them, they would be out there. The fact that little is know is scary, maybe the details come out and clear everyone, but the unknown is frightening.

On MD

There is no evidence that things weren't handled properly. ESPN mentions the Corley/King/Vance situation last year. When MD found out, he told the title 9 office immediately, the players were removed from student housing pending investigation and Dantonio had no contact with them. Once they were charged, they were kicked off the team. ESPN does not mention that.

It is MSU policy (and most likely policy at almost every university) to withhold the name of the accused and accuser until an investigation produces a decision to charge or not. If someone is accused and it's determined that there was no crime (Appling, Payne), you shouldn't damage someones name if they didn't commit a crime. If they are charged, all information will be public, like it was with Corley, etc.


As for the reactions of some MSU fans talking about Gibbons, etc. Well, that was a bad situation and Hoke's comments were a problem but this shouldn't be about Michigan. This should be about MSU but also college athletics in general, not just rivals. You see a lot of players kicked off for violations of team rules with no explanation. If the reason is criminal, that's public, but more often it's not. There are also times when players just transfer or were told to transfer, but there's no explanation. I'm sure fans of every program don't want the cover pulled back on the violations of team rules, it would give them all a black eye that they don't want.

18-22 young men make mistakes, sometimes commit crimes, that's just a given. I don't know if athletes do more or less than the average 18-22 year old, I'd guess it's about on par. That is just going to happen, having integrity as a university and athletic department depends on your response when that happens. Everything I've seen from MD makes me feel confident that he's handled things properly. As for Izzo, the Walton potential rape is a question that needs answering. I hope there's a way that he can clear the air about that, but that is the one thing about this whole report that is unanswered to me and needs to be addressed.

 

[hungry]

Interesting that you accept the findings of the Ingham County Prosecuting office to not charge Appling and Payne, which was run by Stuart Dunnings III at the time, a since convicted rapist of sex slaves. I'm sure you're aware of that situation. Yes, the Assistant supposedly decided to not press charges, even though the police department recommended them, but the ultimate decision could very well have come from him. Then you claim that Gibbons is a rapist, even though it went to the police department. The accuser claimed that she didn't know whether or not she gave consent, didn't pursue charges, and the police department did not recommend charges.

I don't claim to know what happened in either case. I just find it interesting what you choose to believe.

Why would Payne lie? He pretty much admitted that they raped her.

 

[hungry]

In fact, I think that is such an interesting aspect to all of this. The collective MSU fan base, obviously there are a few exceptions, are quick to call Grant Perry and Gibbons rapists. Then they turn around and say that every single one of these cases is bunk and was handled correctly. The hypocrisy is nuts.

 

[Sbee]

Interesting that you accept the findings of the Ingham County Prosecuting office to not charge Appling and Payne, which was run by Stuart Dunnings III at the time, a since convicted rapist of sex slaves. I'm sure you're aware of that situation. Yes, the Assistant supposedly decided to not press charges, even though the police department recommended them, but the ultimate decision could very well have come from him. Then you claim that Gibbons is a rapist, even though it went to the police department. The accuser claimed that she didn't know whether or not she gave consent, didn't pursue charges, and the police department did not recommend charges.

I don't claim to know what happened in either case. I just find it interesting what you choose to believe.

Why would Payne lie? He pretty much admitted that they raped her.

Who I choose to believe is the prosecutors office who conducted a full investigation, so I stand by their findings. If you want to get into the details of the situation, the girl agreed to engage in group sex with the two players, at one point, she said that she was "done," then agreed to continue. Afterward, she said that she didn't feel like she was free to leave, she wasn't told that she wasn't free to go, nobody used force to make her stay, she said she felt that because someone was standing near the door. That's hardly enough to feel that a crime occurred.

As for Payne's statement, that was a mistake. he was led into it by being asked if he could see how the accuser felt that she couldn't leave, he sympathized and said "yes, I can see how she felt that." That doesn't change that she was free to leave and never expressed that she wanted to leave. If he said that she was not free to leave, that's an admission of guilt. That's hardly an admission of rape, at least not in the eyes of the unbiased observer.

 

[Sbee]

In fact, I think that is such an interesting aspect to all of this. The collective MSU fan base, obviously there are a few exceptions, are quick to call Grant Perry and Gibbons rapists. Then they turn around and say that every single one of these cases is bunk and was handled correctly. The hypocrisy is nuts.

There is hypocrisy there, they want to throw blame on someone else. This argument is about MSU, not UM. Every school has instances where kids make bad decisions, it's about the response. The Gibbons case may have been handled correctly, though Hoke's statement is problematic and if you want to get technical, it's a blatant cover up. Perry made a mistake but hardly raped anyone, either those people are idiots or don't know the situation.

As I said before, nobody wants the cover pulled back on all of the violations of team rules that you see. MSU just has the spotlight on them now because of an unrelated situation with a doctor who was assaulting young girls under the disguise of legitimate medical practice.

As for MD, for the situations I know all of the details of, he handled them 100% appropriately. That was confirmed by Jones Day, report below. Curtis blackwell, a staffer, didn't handle things properly and he was promptly suspended and eventually fired. the report is below

https://msu.edu/ourcommitment/_assets/files/Jones-Day-Report-June-5-2017.pdf

 

[hungry]

"It happens everywhere..."

https://michiganstate.247sports.com...dling-of-sexual-assault-allegations-114331641

Here is Izzo talking to reporters last night. Doesn't remember why a guy that was living with him left to go to Europe...

 

[Michchamp]

Democracy Now! covered this scandal this morning - the Nassar part of it, not the ESPN allegations regarding football and basketball - and mentioned Bill Schuette's new investigation and comments

I missed the intro to it because I had to drop my kids off, but when I got back in the car, I heard the end of a long comment from who I assume is Bill Schuette about how given the way MSU & their BOT bungled this whole investigation, he would NOT be following their advice, findings, or protocol when he conducted his own investigation.

Ouch.

Democracy Now also included background on the whole thing and interviewed the lead reporter from the Indianapolis Star, who's story received credit for breaking everything open. turns out their original story had nothing to do with this, and was about an unrelated lawsuit in Georgia, which alleged abuse by US gymnastics coaches.

after reading that article, Rachel Denhollander reached out to the Star to tell her own, and then dozens of Nassar's victims came forward.