My way too early yardage prediction thread

[LKP]

Green Bay and Detroit and Chicago all healtheir in 2013 would be competing for the divison at 11-12 wins last year. But they all got hurt so they competed for the divison at 7-8 wins. And Vikings are out with QB issues.

 

[tomdalton22]

Lions were the more injured team in 7 of their losses. I proved that.

Green Bay was healthier than Detroit Week 5. That is a fact.

I don't care about other teams ints. I only care that 12 of 19 were Stafford fault. If Stafford only has 12 this year the Lions will be in great shape. It's irrelevant what every other QB has. Stafford having 12 is how the Lions improve along with Tate/Ebron/coaching to reduce those picks with less forces into weapons that didn't get separation.

Lions don't need every player to rebound. Hell Jones can suck but we still have Suh, Fairley, Ansah and Taylor to dominate. We barely need Jones for pressure. He's more run defense like CJ Mosely.

Same with Houston when we have Mathis and Slay who can start.

A healthy Lions team can win alot of games against a healthy opponent (any opponent).

I list facts of reasons why the Lions lose games. They cannot be disputed and going forward can easily be avoided.

you spew the same shit every time. The Lions were no more injured than almost any other team. GB and the Bears lost their starting QB for extended periods of time which is much worse than any injury that the Lions suffered.

 

[LKP]

you spew the same shit every time. The Lions were no more injured than almost any other team. GB and the Bears lost their starting QB for extended periods of time which is much worse than any injury that the Lions suffered.

Game by game. Lions vs opponent, Lions were the more injured team 7 of 9 losses. It's a fact. I'm spewing facts.

Lions would have had more wins. Bears and Packers would be around 11-12 wins too just like the Lions. Lions still sweep Bears and could sweep Packers if Lions were as healthy as Packers were Week 5. Lions had plenty of injuries at Chicago. Both starting DEs (Ansah/Jones), Burleson/Broyles, Bentely. Cutler played most of that game and McCown outplayed Cutler last year.

 

[tomdalton22]

Game by game. Lions vs opponent, Lions were the more injured team 7 of 9 losses. It's a fact. I'm spewing facts.

no...those are your opinions.

 

[LKP]

no...those are your opinions.

It's not an opinon. It's x number of players were missing on one team and x number of players were missing on another team. It's fact. Man you are beyond dumb.

 

[tomdalton22]

It's not an opinon. It's x number of players were missing on one team and x number of players were missing on another team. It's fact. Man you are beyond dumb.

no...you saying that Lion X is more of a loss than player X on the opposing team is where it is your opinion. It isn't always the number of players but the specific players that are injured. Sure...the Lions had a lot of injuries in some of their losses but it doesn't mean that some of the other injuries on the other teams weren't as big or even bigger. Also, in the Lion's wins they may have been much healthier than their opponent.

The bottom line is EVERY single team in the NFL has similar injuries over the course of the year. The difference between some of them and the Lions is they have the depth to overcome them (SF, Seattle, GB, Denver, NE)

 

[LKP]

no...you saying that Lion X is more of a loss than player X on the opposing team is where it is your opinion. It isn't always the number of players but the specific players that are injured. Sure...the Lions had a lot of injuries in some of their losses but it doesn't mean that some of the other injuries on the other teams weren't as big or even bigger. Also, in the Lion's wins they may have been much healthier than their opponent.

The bottom line is EVERY single team in the NFL has similar injuries over the course of the year. The difference between some of them and the Lions is they have the depth to overcome them (SF, Seattle, GB, Denver, NE)

No I'm saying the Lions had more Xs than the other team. That is a fact and makes the Lions had more injuries. Lions lost Calvin/Burleson/Waddle and Jones against Green Bay Week 5. Who were missing just Bulaga and Heyward. Lions were the more injured team Week 5. Fact.

 

[LKP]

And Detroit had depth at certain positions (QB,Tackle,RB,TE,Dline,CB). WR was not one of them. Just like Seattle has holes. RB for them for instance beyond Lynch. Seattle got hurt where they happened to have depth or an area that wasn't their strong suit. WR not their strength, they can afford to lose Harvin on a defensive/running team. Depth/durability has been fixed with Tate/Ebron added.

 

[jdeb]

again... meaningless opinion and fuzzy statistical analyse. BOTTOM LINE.... BIG CHOKE, NO EXCUSES. Heck, even the players and organization knows that. geez

 

[tomdalton22]

No I'm saying the Lions had more Xs than the other team. That is a fact and makes the Lions had more injuries. Lions lost Calvin/Burleson/Waddle and Jones against Green Bay Week 5. Who were missing just Bulaga and Heyward. Lions were the more injured team Week 5. Fact.

it's not just about one week. There are 17 weeks in a season. GB, the team that won the division had more significant injuries over the course of the season when compared to the Lions. Starting WR 11 games; all pro LB for 5 games; starting tackle for 16 games; all pro QB for 8 games. The Lions lose Stafford for 8 games; Suh for 5 (only defensive player comparable to losing Mathews), Burelson for 11 games and their starting OT the Lions MIGHT win 4 games.

 

[LKP]

it's not just about one week. There are 17 weeks in a season. GB, the team that won the division had more significant injuries over the course of the season when compared to the Lions. Starting WR 11 games; all pro LB for 5 games; starting tackle for 16 games; all pro QB for 8 games. The Lions lose Stafford for 8 games; Suh for 5 (only defensive player comparable to losing Mathews), Burelson for 11 games and their starting OT the Lions MIGHT win 4 games.

Lions had a ton of injuries in their 1-6 streak. GB and Lions both would have won around 11-12 games healthier. Lions still beat Green Bay once, maybe twice. Lions still sweep Bears. Lions didn't have injury advantage in those games.

 

[brewer229]

Lions had a ton of injuries in their 1-6 streak. GB and Lions both would have won around 11-12 games healthier. Lions still beat Green Bay once, maybe twice. Lions still sweep Bears. Lions didn't have injury advantage in those games.

In that 1-6 streak how many games did the lions have more talent on the field?

 

[LKP]

In that 1-6 streak how many games did the lions have more talent on the field?

All of them. Shot themselves in the foot too nicely with turnovers. But some can be attributed to injury and some fluke picks too (Calvin pick, two tipped picks), punt return by Vikings and a blizzard which makes that game an unknown.

 

[tomdalton22]

All of them. Shot themselves in the foot too nicely with turnovers. But some can be attributed to injury and some fluke picks too (Calvin pick, two tipped picks), punt return by Vikings and a blizzard which makes that game an unknown.

more excuses......pathetic

 

[LKP]

more excuses......pathetic

Valid reasons. Not the only reasons we lost but pretty big ones.

 

[tomdalton22]

Valid reasons. Not the only reasons we lost but pretty big ones.

Here are the biggest reasons for the 1-6 finish IMO

Steelers: lost turnover battle 0-3, couldn't stop Steeler's passing game
TB: lost turnover battle 0-5, pick 6
Philly: front 7 couldn't stop McCoy, finesse offense couldn't do anything
Baltimore: Lost turnover battle 0-3, Stafford shitty game.
NYG: Pick 6 by Stafford
MN: lost turnover battle 0-2; team gave up.

 

[LKP]

Here are the biggest reasons for the 1-6 finish IMO

Steelers: lost turnover battle 0-3, couldn't stop Steeler's passing game
TB: lost turnover battle 0-5, pick 6
Philly: front 7 couldn't stop McCoy, finesse offense couldn't do anything
Baltimore: Lost turnover battle 0-3, Stafford shitty game.
NYG: Pick 6 by Stafford
MN: lost turnover battle 0-2; team gave up.

All those may have been avoided or overcome if not for injuries. Waddle out Philly, Giants and Vikings. Maybe we run the ball better and overcome the turnovers.

Calvin better fingers hangs on to ball and we beat Bucs despite pick 6. Same with Houston injury allowing a TD in a 3 point loss.

Vikings without Calvin. We score more than 13 points guaranteed. Plus the punt return gave them a TD.

Stafford led a game winning TD drive against Baltimore. Then a big kickoff return and a miracle FG.

11-5.

Then you have Akers issues against Zona and Cincy. 13-3 with a better kicker.

Hard to stop Pittsburgh passing game with Quin out second half, Bentely out and top two DEs out. Plus Mathis couldn't play slot due to Slay benching so that led to Carey at nickel and Gomes in the game. If you paid attention in the Pittsburgh game, the 97 yard drive it was Carey and Gomes constantly getting beat.

 

[tomdalton22]

All those may have been avoided or overcome if not for injuries. Waddle out Philly, Giants and Vikings. Maybe we run the ball better and overcome the turnovers.

Calvin better fingers hangs on to ball and we beat Bucs despite pick 6. Same with Houston injury allowing a TD in a 3 point loss.

Vikings without Calvin. We score more than 13 points guaranteed. Plus the punt return gave them a TD.

Stafford led a game winning TD drive against Baltimore. Then a big kickoff return and a miracle FG.

11-5.

Then you have Akers issues against Zona and Cincy. 13-3 with a better kicker.

Hard to stop Pittsburgh passing game with Quin out second half, Bentely out and top two DEs out. Plus Mathis couldn't play slot due to Slay benching so that led to Carey at nickel and Gomes in the game.

but those things do happen. Injuries happen and fluke plays happen. That is what 99% of the people on this forum can accept...except for you.

 

[LKP]

but those things do happen. Injuries happen and fluke plays happen. That is what 99% of the people on this forum can accept...except for you.

I accept them but it can be a big reason why they lost or put the Lions at a disadvantage during the game. And going forward the Lions can avoid or overcome them.

 

[tomdalton22]

I accept them but it can be a big reason why they lost or put the Lions at a disadvantage during the game. And going forward the Lions can avoid or overcome them.

4 games and they lost the turnover margin 0-13. That has to be avoided but the players that turned the ball over are still there (most of those are on Stafford).