My way too early yardage prediction thread

[brewer229]

that is the point...a defense can shut a WR down. Rodgers elevates all of the WRs on his team because he is so great.

here are some of CJ's yardage totals in his games last year.

37 - win
44 - win
25 - win
83 - win
52 - loss
43 - loss

A wr can have a bad game or not be involved in the offense and the team can still win. QBs are just way more important to the offense than ANY wide receiver. Hell, even Stafford is more important to the Lions offense than CJ.

Just because a WR doesn't put up big numbers doesn't mean he didn't have a good game. A guy like Calvin neutralizes their best CB and most likely a safety. You are essentially playing 10 on 9 even if CJ doesn't touch the ball.

A QB should be the most important player, but on our team it's CJ.

 

[jdeb]

Just because a WR doesn't put up big numbers doesn't mean he didn't have a good game. A guy like Calvin neutralizes their best CB and most likely a safety. You are essentially playing 10 on 9 even if CJ doesn't touch the ball.

A QB should be the most important player, but on our team it's CJ.

I disagree. Look at the Seahawks, Wilson is not the most important but rather an integral piece of a team. They built the defense first and wisely an exceptional secondary. Funny how their best player in the post season may have been ex lion Avril.

 

[LKP]

Rodgers always has 2-3 options. He doesn't elevate anybody. He gets elevated.

 

[mhughes0021]

Rodgers always has 2-3 options. He doesn't elevate anybody. He gets elevated.

Tell that to Jarrett boykin

 

[jdeb]

Rodgers always has 2-3 options. He doesn't elevate anybody. He gets elevated.

James Jones is in for a rude awakening.

 

[brewer229]

Rodgers always has 2-3 options. He doesn't elevate anybody. He gets elevated.

That must be why they were still so good when he got hurt.

Come on, you are just saying crazy stuff to be different. Your act is old.

 

[tomdalton22]

Just because a WR doesn't put up big numbers doesn't mean he didn't have a good game. A guy like Calvin neutralizes their best CB and most likely a safety. You are essentially playing 10 on 9 even if CJ doesn't touch the ball.

A QB should be the most important player, but on our team it's CJ.

Calvin has averaged less than 6 touches a game, about 95 yards and 0.68 TD a game since his rookie season. You can not compare a WR's impact on the game to the starting QB who throws the ball about 30 times a game. As far as him taking out 2 players on defense...most team's #1 WR will get the attention of one of the safeties.

 

[LKP]

That must be why they were still so good when he got hurt.

Come on, you are just saying crazy stuff to be different. Your act is old.

They scored plenty with Flynn. Wallce and Tolzien are just junk.
26. 4 PPG with Flynn for 4.5 games
15.1 PPG with Wallace/Tolzien for 3.5 games

 

[LKP]

Flynn in the 3.5 games not counting Lions game 31.4 PPG.
It's very impressive the Lions held Flynn to a Fg and defensive td.

 

[brewer229]

80 yards less in The air a game when Rodgers didn't play. Lacy made the team servicable. Full year with Rodgers and Eddie Lacey still makes them team to beat in NFC north.

 

[tomdalton22]

80 yards less in The air a game when Rodgers didn't play. Lacy made the team servicable. Full year with Rodgers and Eddie Lacey still makes them team to beat in NFC north.

also...Rodgers 290 attempts compared to 280 for the other guys. Rodgers had 193 completions, 8.7 yards per attempt; 17 TDs and 6 ints in those 290 attempts. The other guys in 280 attempts: 173 completions, 7.15 yards per attempt; 8 TDs and 10 INTs.

 

[LKP]

Flynn other than Thanksgiving played 6 games(5 starts, two half games) as a Packer. 30.6 PPG in those 6 games. Rodgers output in 8 games in 2013, 30.6 PPG. Flynn's only bad game and .5 bad game were at Ford Field. Detroit's win on Thanksgiving was impressive because Flynn puts up points on Dallas, on Atlanta, on Pittsburgh, on Detroit in Lambeau, on New England, on Minnesota.

Calvin on the other hand 26.6 PPG with him. 11 PPG without him though Stafford still had a 92 rating. 15 PPG difference and no difference in PPG with Flynn/Rodgers. 26.6 PPG>22 the Packers scored Week 5. Missing Calvin meant way more than missing Rodgers on Thanksgiving for Flynn.

 

[LKP]

also...Rodgers 290 attempts compared to 280 for the other guys. Rodgers had 193 completions, 8.7 yards per attempt; 17 TDs and 6 ints in those 290 attempts. The other guys in 280 attempts: 173 completions, 7.15 yards per attempt; 8 TDs and 10 INTs.

Yes they sucked wiht Tolzien/Wallace. But they were the same with Flynn. 30.6 PPG Flynn scores, same as Rodgers. It's a fact. Calvin Week 5 meant more than Rodgers to Flynn on Thanskgiving. Detroit great coverage, stopping Lacy and destroying the Packes Oline were the big reason is was 40-10 Detroit.

 

[tomdalton22]

Yes they sucked wiht Tolzien/Wallace. But they were the same with Flynn. 30.6 PPG Flynn scores, same as Rodgers. It's a fact. Calvin Week 5 meant more than Rodgers to Flynn on Thanskgiving. Detroit great coverage, stopping Lacy and destroying the Packes Oline were the big reason is was 40-10 Detroit.

the drop off in the passing game with Flynn was substantial as well. He completed 5% less passes, 60 fewer yards per game; lower TD%; higher INT%; rating 104.9 for Rodgers to 86.1 for Flynn. It isn't even close.

Also, where do you get 30.6 PPG with Flynn

14
26 OT
10
22
37
31

23 PPG

 

[LKP]

the drop off in the passing game with Flynn was substantial as well. He completed 5% less passes, 60 fewer yards per game; lower TD%; higher INT%; rating 104.9 for Rodgers to 86.1 for Flynn. It isn't even close.

Also, where do you get 30.6 PPG with Flynn

14
26 OT
10
22
37
31

23 PPG

His whole career Packer career 6 games plus Thanksgiving not counting. 19 points played only half game against Vikings. 2010 and 2011 2.5 games. I don't know where you got that 14 from.

It's 3 (2010 .5 game), 27(Pats),45 in 2011,19 (.5 game),22,37,31= 6 games.

184 points/6 games=30.6 245/8=30.6 for Rodgers. There is no difference in point output between Flynn as a Packer and Rodgers 2013.

 

[LKP]

It's 194/7=27.71 if you count Thanksgiving.

It's very impressive Lions shut down Flynn on Thanksgiving.

If we played Tolzien/Wallace you might have a point, but we played Flynn.

 

[tomdalton22]

It's 194/7=27.71 if you count Thanksgiving.

It's very impressive Lions shut down Flynn on Thanksgiving.

If we played Tolzien/Wallace you might have a point, but we played Flynn.

We were comparing Rodgers production to Flynn last year. Flynn played 6 full games. 140 points / 6 games = 23.3 points a game.

oops...Washington game was when he was with Oakland.

5 games with the Packers, 25.2 PPG

 

[mhughes0021]

It's 194/7=27.71 if you count Thanksgiving.

It's very impressive Lions shut down Flynn on Thanksgiving.

If we played Tolzien/Wallace you might have a point, but we played Flynn.

its very impressive we beat a back up at best qb that's been released/traded 4 times in 3 years who was a team flooded with injuries on both sides of the ball? riiiight. not to tmention that back up qb led his team to a divisional win...our #1 overall qb led his team to yet another top 10 pick. nice job Stafford....

 

[LKP]

We were comparing Rodgers production to Flynn last year. Flynn played 6 full games. 140 points / 6 games = 23.3 points a game.

oops...Washington game was when he was with Oakland.

5 games with the Packers, 25.2 PPG

It's 4.5 games. He didn't play the first half against Minnesota.

And we are comparing Flynn as a Packer 30.6 PPG over his career to rodgers in 2013. 30.6 PPG. No drop off.

 

[tomdalton22]

It's 4.5 games. He didn't play the first half against Minnesota.

And we are comparing Flynn as a Packer 30.6 PPG over his career to rodgers in 2013. 30.6 PPG. No drop off.

I was just looking at 2013.