My way too early yardage prediction thread

[tomdalton22]

I feel bad for all of you. I'm trying to help inform you. But you will remain pessimistic haters. And I'll watch the Lions win 10-11 games and be proven right.

well, since you have the tapes of all Lions games, I imagine you can watch the Lions win 10-11 games. Just watch the 2012 & 2013 seasons and you will see 11 wins....just don't watch the 21 losses.

 

[dubbsco]

LKP, I'll ask you again, besides a few teams here that are absolutely terrible, what team isn't loaded with talent?? That's the NFL. These are the best of the best. I can point to any team that finished 8-8, 9-7, 7-9 and show you the zounds of talent they have. That's the NFL.

And if you wonder why we are all pessimistic, it's because this is one of, if not the worst organizations in sports. No matter how much "talent" they have, they find a way to lose games. The fact that they have like one playoff win in 50 years speaks to that. So until they actually prove it on the field, none of it matters. New coaching, been there done that. New talent, been there done that. New attitude, "The bar is high," been there done that. It's all BS until it happens.

 

[LKP]

LKP, I'll ask you again, besides a few teams here that are absolutely terrible, what team isn't loaded with talent?? That's the NFL. These are the best of the best. I can point to any team that finished 8-8, 9-7, 7-9 and show you the zounds of talent they have. That's the NFL.

And if you wonder why we are all pessimistic, it's because this is one of, if not the worst organizations in sports. No matter how much "talent" they have, they find a way to lose games. The fact that they have like one playoff win in 50 years speaks to that. So until they actually prove it on the field, none of it matters. New coaching, been there done that. New talent, been there done that. New attitude, "The bar is high," been there done that. It's all BS until it happens.

Under Mayhew, it's a great organizaiton. They have a nice stadium too, involved in community, spend money, don't have a meddling owner. Lions are a great organization.

Dolphins,Jets,Bills,Browns,Titans,Jags,Raiders,Rams, Redskins,Vikings due to QB,Bucs,Cowboys just lack enough talent to succeed right now. And maybe the Falcons too (defense). NFC is tough but doesn't mean the Lions aren't a good team. You should expect them to win 10-11 games despite how tough the NFC and NFC North is with Chicago and Green Bay.

 

[dubbsco]

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Is that the record of a great organization? 1 playoff win in 50 years? Is that what a great organization does? The Patriots, in a matter of like 5 years, eclipsed what the Lions have done in their entire history. The Lions are pathetic. I'm not exactly sure what having a nice stadium and contributing to the community has to do with W/L.

 

[brewer229]

You changed the words. I wanted Durant gone. You are a damn liar.

Seriously? I provided a link that shows your unedited post saying it. It is also in the reply box of the next post. I changed nothing. Just did a simple one minute search to prove me right.
This is just another fact you chose to ignore. You look more foolish by denying something that is 100% true especially when the proof is attached.

 

[dubbsco]

Fellow board members, is it possible we are all being punked by LKP? Is Ashton going to run into my office and have all the camera men behind him?

 

[LKP]

Seriously? I provided a link that shows your unedited post saying it. It is also in the reply box of the next post. I changed nothing. Just did a simple one minute search to prove me right.
This is just another fact you chose to ignore. You look more foolish by denying something that is 100% true especially when the proof is attached.

Levy had a down 2012. Good surprise. Can't wait for the entire Lions to give you guys a good surprise. I expect 10-11 wins. Save this post and re-post during the NFL playoffs this season.

 

[LKP]

If the Lions only win 9 or less games, I will say you guys were right all along.

 

[dubbsco]

We aren't going to be like disappointed or something if they win 10-11 games. We all hope for the best from this franchise. But you have to know better if/when they fall flat on their face. It's not because of the wind, or the snow, or dropped passes, or unlucky breaks. It's because they weren't good enough.

 

[LKP]

We aren't going to be like disappointed or something if they win 10-11 games. We all hope for the best from this franchise. But you have to know better if/when they fall flat on their face. It's not because of the wind, or the snow, or dropped passes, or unlucky breaks. It's because they weren't good enough.

I never said it is solely that. It was one of many reasons. No blizzard game may help a passing built team. Less drops will certainly help. Drops are still the WRs fault or backup Wrs fault in some cases. Less fumbles than 15 will surely help too. This is independent of Stafford and his new weapons and QB gurus. A recovery loss of 83% of fumbles is bad luck to an extent.

If they fall flat on their face, it's probably because of a turnover issue. And then it's a trend for some players.

 

[mhughes0021]

If the Lions only win 9 or less games, I will say you guys were right all along.

i actually picked us to win 10 games next year. Im assuming everything goes right with the offense and they get it worked out. It could very easily be the opposite....Stafford could have a hard time adjusting to an offense that Lombardi could possibly have no idea how to run. That could add to even more turnovers and "short fields" for the opposition putting our shitty defense on its heals more often than not. Its a tough year to predict cause literally anything can happen. Offense could be great....or Stafford could suck which in turn makes the entire offense blow. Defense could be good....or they could be like last year and not get any pressure on the qbs putting our shitty secondary at risk. I do think im actually being quite optimistic saying we will win 10 games....lkp should be proud of me.

 

[brewer229]

If the Lions only win 9 or less games, I will say you guys were right all along.

I don't believe that. I would expect you would blame injuries, luck, or something else. Then you would say they were really a 11-12 win team, if it wasn't for _________ they outplayed everyone.

 

[LKP]

i actually picked us to win 10 games next year. Im assuming everything goes right with the offense and they get it worked out. It could very easily be the opposite....Stafford could have a hard time adjusting to an offense that Lombardi could possibly have no idea how to run. That could add to even more turnovers and "short fields" for the opposition putting our shitty defense on its heals more often than not. Its a tough year to predict cause literally anything can happen. Offense could be great....or Stafford could suck which in turn makes the entire offense blow. Defense could be good....or they could be like last year and not get any pressure on the qbs putting our shitty secondary at risk. I do think im actually being quite optimistic saying we will win 10 games....lkp should be proud of me.

I am shocked you think they will win 10. I am fully aware they could have growing pains and turnovers issues again but 10 is expected not lucky. 7-9 is obviously possible We're favored in 10 games for a reason. And this teams deserves to have a little luck anyways after the concentrated injuries to the weapons/secondary and poor recovery rates the past few years.

Mayhew dumping the walking injuries of Burleson,Delmas and Houston is the way too change your luck too. Now if durable guys like Tulloch, Quin, Ihedigbo and Tate miss games then it's a different story. Jones and Broyles well I'm thankful we have Ebron and Taylor right now.

 

[LKP]

I don't believe that. I would expect you would blame injuries, luck, or something else. Then you would say they were really a 11-12 win team, if it wasn't for _________ they outplayed everyone.

Injuries could derail a season. Obviously I would mention something if its Calvin, Stafford or Suh for multiple games or concentrated in one position group.

Bad recovery rates is bad luck but at that point it's a three year trend.

7-9 is possible, but 10-11 should be expected.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Injuries could derail a season. Obviously I would mention something if its Calvin, Stafford or Suh for multiple games or concentrated in one position group.

Bad recovery rates is bad luck but at that point it's a three year trend.

7-9 is possible, but 10-11 should be expected.

So unless everything is perfect there will be excuses?

 

[dubbsco]

At this point, injuries are not a viable excuse anymore. Green Bay survived without their best player for the majority of the season. That's what good teams do. If you lose Calvin, Stafford, Suh, and a big chunk of your offensive line, fine, it's a reason. But, losing one or two big players happens every year. The champions are defined by overcoming that. Let me refer you to 2008: New England loses Tom Brady for the entire season, still goes 11-5. That's a team. They can deal with it because they have a system and are an organization that knows how to win.

 

[LKP]

The problem is you people exagerrate what i say and mix up arguments.

For instance, drops. Overall drops is a problem for the team. Something they need to work on. However, drops are not Staffords fault (which is a different argument). It's still a team issue. How can they fix them? Adding Tate who is sure handed, and Calvins surgery are two ways. Bush will probably have around the same but maybe he has 1-2 less.

Weather. I mention the blizzard because we might not have a blizzard game in 2014 and lose 3 fumbles in one game in a road loss. Eagles handled it better but had the ball much less during the precipitation. Neither team could pass that day. And the Lions are a passing team. That hurt us clearly. And then you have Bush and Waddle out and shitty run performance day for offense and defense.
We play at Atlanta in 2014 instead as the compariison to the Eagles 2013. I think the Lions can beat Atlanta at a neutral site.

Penalties are clearly a problem defensively. We will see if it's the players or a change in coaches does the trick.

Turnovers is the teams biggest problem. Recovery rates can change. If the Lions forced 14 fumbles again, this time they might recover 10 instead of 7. In 2011, the Lions had a good recovery rate and had 13 recoveries. This helped them get those 3 extra wins. And adding weapons and QB guru coaches shouldn't make Stafford throw more than 19 picks. He had a season of 16 and 17 picks too. I'll take 16 picks for 2014.

Put it all together, more turnovers forced, helps Stafford. Less fumbles helps Stafford, less drops from more dependable weapons helps Stafford, better more durable weapons, helps Stafford. I think if the Lions just fix one issue, they can get over the hump. Turnovers forced, drops and fumbles lost, if all 3 get fixed, look out.

 

[LKP]

So unless everything is perfect there will be excuses?

No. Again exaggeration of what I fucking said.

They don't have to fix everything. But give me one thing out of turnovers forced, drops or fumbles lost.

 

[LKP]

At this point, injuries are not a viable excuse anymore. Green Bay survived without their best player for the majority of the season. That's what good teams do. If you lose Calvin, Stafford, Suh, and a big chunk of your offensive line, fine, it's a reason. But, losing one or two big players happens every year. The champions are defined by overcoming that. Let me refer you to 2008: New England loses Tom Brady for the entire season, still goes 11-5. That's a team. They can deal with it because they have a system and are an organization that knows how to win.

Green Bay didn't win without him. You act like they still won a bunch of games. They beat a more injured Cowboys and Falcons team with Flynn. 2-5-1 without Rodgers. That's it. Lions had injuries that cost them games too. Calvin missed 2 games and was limited in 2 others. That is huge. All 3 teams had injuries that cost them getting to double digit wins. it wasn't just the Bears and Packers.

 

[LKP]

And even if drops, turnovers forced and fumbles lost stay the same, Stafford could just progress, toss 41 TDS again and beat bitches down anyway with his new weapons and coaches.