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My way too early yardage prediction thread
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Calvin is a blessing and a curse. He makes explosive plays and draws coverage, but he draws coverage so tight windows. If nobody else gets open then Stafford has to force into tight coverage more often and hence the poor catch rate to Calvin this year.
Stafford needs some footwork tweaking but he is a top 7 QB.
Calling Calvin a curse is the craziest statement I've heard in a long time. Calvin is not a curse. If he draws extra coverage, then it means other guys are open. That's a blessing, not a curse. If you want to call something a curse it'd probably be injuries at WR, but then you can discuss whether we had adequate depth to begin with.
I didn't mention Wilson. Kapernick and Newton (who still somehow have a better rating than Stafford) add so much to their offenses with their legs. I would take either one of those guys in a heartbeat. You didn't include Rivers, who is a better QB. And even taking that tier of 2nd QBs you made, Stafford is the last one on that list.
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All I see in that response is if's, but's, when's. Excuse after excuse. The guy is not making players better.
All you see are facts of what happened.
Weapons got hurt. Turnovers were less than other teams ahead in PPG. There were 12 fumbles non Stafford ruining 12 drives. Many times Calvin was the only option. He had broken fingers. These are all facts.
I didn't mention Wilson. Kapernick and Newton (who still somehow have a better rating than Stafford) add so much to their offenses with their legs. I would take either one of those guys in a heartbeat. You didn't include Rivers, who is a better QB. And even taking that tier of 2nd QBs you made, Stafford is the last one on that list.
Stafford is 1st or 2nd on that list. Rivers in there too but behind Stafford.
Calling Calvin a curse is the craziest statement I've heard in a long time. Calvin is not a curse. If he draws extra coverage, then it means other guys are open. That's a blessing, not a curse. If you want to call something a curse it'd probably be injuries at WR, but then you can discuss whether we had adequate depth to begin with.
I said blessing and curse. But true it's more Wr 2 and 3 not getting open. Then you have to force it into coverage. Calvin having a bum knee and broken fingers was a curse though. Higher drops than normal for him.
Four seasons of a 100+ rating, career 96.0, never less than 60 percent completion in any season except 2005, puts up huge numbers almost every year, and actually can move around in the pocket. Rivers is a better QB than Stafford, and the stats bear it out.
Four seasons of a 100+ rating, career 96.0, never less than 60 percent completion in any season except 2005, puts up huge numbers almost every year, and actually can move around in the pocket. Rivers is a better QB than Stafford, and the stats bear it out.
AFC West has been shitty for a long time. It's close, but Stafford has more talent and produces just as well. Talking 2008-2010 for Rivers over 100. And this past season. 2013 was impressive for Rivers.
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No he doesn't. Rivers is consistent. Stafford had one big freak season because the team threw 4999 times a game. Since we play the what if game a lot here, if Stafford had an average season in 2011, he'd be below average.
Stafford has had 2 good seasons. 2013 and 2011. 2012 was solid like Rivers in 2011/2012. Rivers has been around longer.
Denver D sucks, Oakland, NFC East and AFC South. I'm less impressed with Rivers now for 2013.
Yep. He seems to only think stafford has bad luck, things go against him, tipped ball, and WR with lack of separation. Then he dismisses the fact that staffor had a very good Oline, best WR in the game. Doesn't think a dropped interception should be considered a bad play. He gave Reggie bush and Stafford equal credit for the 77 yard screen pass TD against the Vikings.
I'm certain he only watches football for the fantasy football aspect of it. He has no clue about how tigh windows in the NFL are. He has no idea about reading progressions. Be doesn't realize how good of throws every NFL QB can make.
I think the best way to sum up stafford is he has above average skill set but below average attention to detail and desire to be great.
He is the guy that goes out to sling the ball around and have fun, doesn't want to put in the work to be great. He is satisfied being average. I wouldn't be surprised if he would have a beer while playing if they let him
He made it through high school and college simply relying on talent, he was better than almost everyone on the field. Now he's not head and shoulders above everyone around him, he hasn't focused on the things to be great. He thinks what worked in high school works in the NFL. Hopefully these kids take of the kid gloves and make him realize why all the beat do things a certain way.
I'm certain he only watches football for the fantasy football aspect of it. He has no clue about how tigh windows in the NFL are. He has no idea about reading progressions. Be doesn't realize how good of throws every NFL QB can make.
I think the best way to sum up stafford is he has above average skill set but below average attention to detail and desire to be great.
He is the guy that goes out to sling the ball around and have fun, doesn't want to put in the work to be great. He is satisfied being average. I wouldn't be surprised if he would have a beer while playing if they let him
He made it through high school and college simply relying on talent, he was better than almost everyone on the field. Now he's not head and shoulders above everyone around him, he hasn't focused on the things to be great. He thinks what worked in high school works in the NFL. Hopefully these kids take of the kid gloves and make him realize why all the beat do things a certain way.
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Brewer, I've asked that question before to LKP. If you use that caveat with Stafford, you have to do it with every other QB in the NFL, so it's all relative.
I'm working on that actually. Takes some time to watch every int by every QB. Done with the North so far.
So far Rodger 4, Cutler 9, Cassell 6 count for them. 2, 3 and 3 not their fault. So nowhere near 7, but they have way less attempts.
% of attempts, Stafford second best with 1.8% 12/634. Rodgers 1.3%, Cutler/Cassel were well around 2.5%
Stafford will have a better % than most Qbs than you think by attempt. You guys consider yards and TDs volume stats, well so is ints so you need to go by %. The main point is I can accept 12 ints in 634 attempts that are Staffords fault given the TDs, yards and first downs he provides. That's the whole point.
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Yep. He seems to only think stafford has bad luck, things go against him, tipped ball, and WR with lack of separation. Then he dismisses the fact that staffor had a very good Oline, best WR in the game. Doesn't think a dropped interception should be considered a bad play. He gave Reggie bush and Stafford equal credit for the 77 yard screen pass TD against the Vikings.
I'm certain he only watches football for the fantasy football aspect of it. He has no clue about how tigh windows in the NFL are. He has no idea about reading progressions. Be doesn't realize how good of throws every NFL QB can make.
I think the best way to sum up stafford is he has above average skill set but below average attention to detail and desire to be great.
He is the guy that goes out to sling the ball around and have fun, doesn't want to put in the work to be great. He is satisfied being average. I wouldn't be surprised if he would have a beer while playing if they let him
He made it through high school and college simply relying on talent, he was better than almost everyone on the field. Now he's not head and shoulders above everyone around him, he hasn't focused on the things to be great. He thinks what worked in high school works in the NFL. Hopefully these kids take of the kid gloves and make him realize why all the beat do things a certain way.
You make an awful lot of assumptions about Staffords mindset.
And reading proggesion. Great read and throw in space to Bush on that 77 yarder. Maybe he audbled into that play too. But sure give Bush all the credit without thinking about everything that goes into a play.
You make an awful lot of assumptions about Staffords mindset.
And reading proggesion. Great read and throw in space to Bush on that 77 yarder. Maybe he audbled into that play too. But sure give Bush all the credit without thinking about everything that goes into a play.
Its a throw every QB can make. Bush is much more responsible for that TD than the QB is. I've said many times Stafford is good. Being the 13th best in the world at what you do is not a slam against a guy.
When I watch games and evaluate him that's the impression I get of him.
Its a throw every QB can make. Bush is much more responsible for that TD than the QB is. I've said many times Stafford is good. Being the 13th best in the world at what you do is not a slam against a guy.
When I watch games and evaluate him that's the impression I get of him.
LOL, there is timing to that play and an audible. Stafford made the play happen and Bush did a great job too. Two people can credit for the same play. It's not one or the other every time. That's the problem with your analysis. Stafford did his job well but yet you take away from him.
LOL, there is timing to that play and an audible. Stafford made the play happen and Bush did a great job too. Two people can credit for the same play. It's not one or the other every time. That's the problem with your analysis. Stafford did his job well but yet you take away from him.
Put it this way. Would the result been the same if that was Mikel Leshoure instead of Bush.
Most players that is an 8 yard gain. Solid play, but bush made the other 69 yards happen. That's why I said most credit to Bush.
Put it this way. Would the result been the same if that was Mikel Leshoure instead of Bush.
Most players that is an 8 yard gain. Solid play, but bush made the other 69 yards happen. That's why I said most credit to Bush.
You don't even call that play with LeShoure. Stafford did a good job on the play is all that matters so he gets credit. He knows how to make use of his weapons. Like I said, more than one person gets credit.
Drops,tips, poor separatoin but a good throw by Stafford is all Stafford doing his job.
Does Wilson have all those TDs if his defense didn't get 39 turnovers. The answer is no given Wilson's attempts.
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