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My way too early yardage prediction thread
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Stop with the "his fault" stuff. You will NEVER see a breakdown of NFL quarterbacks going into detail about which ones are his and which ones aren't his fault. Every single one of those interceptions is his fault. Every single one of an MLB player's strikeouts are his fault, not the fact that the ump had a bad strike zone. Every missed shot by an NBA player is his fault, not the fact that the ball rimmed out more often than not. Every goal allowed by a goalie in the NHL is his fault, whether or not it took a funny bounce.
I love hearing Rod and Mario say, "Well, his average is low, but he is SCORCHING the ball and getting unlucky." The numbers are what they are. Every QB in the league can have an equal argument about the "bad luck" they have had with their INTs. That's the game. Stop making excuses for the guy.
I love hearing Rod and Mario say, "Well, his average is low, but he is SCORCHING the ball and getting unlucky." The numbers are what they are. Every QB in the league can have an equal argument about the "bad luck" they have had with their INTs. That's the game. Stop making excuses for the guy.
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You will see a breakdown done by the coaches in the film room. The media and casual fans like all of you are too stupid to understand that so they generalize without full context. Coaches determine the fault all the time.
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I am. The facts back up the fact in the past two years he's average to just above. Bottom line..he's had one good year. Nothing more..
Haha all of us casual fans who are too stupid to understand... Time for you to put down the kool-aid. Guy is a good, not great QB. Stop saying he's elite. Stop covering up for his mistakes. It's all relative. If you justify every interception he's made, then go ahead and break down every other QB and justify their mistakes, and Stafford will be back to where he's at, which is being a good QB.
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You're one, dude, if you think he's been good. He hasn't been close to good..
Stafford threw every ball well with the correct read for tds. All 29 count and alotof the rushing tds too since stafford led most of those drives. Not all but some. 2 def and 2 special teams don't count obviously but lions have less than a lot of teams in non offense scoring department
Nobody saves his ass. Great catches are made but the throws and reads are good too. Everyone is doing their jobs. The drops are stafford doing his job but the receivers are not
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Fair enough. He needs to improve though for me to consider him good..
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nothing...LKP loves his boy Stafford.
He has some bad throws with footwork at times but he's way way way way more good than bad and he is severely underrated on this board.
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some on this board under rate Stafford but you over rate him. He is somewhere in the middle. A little above average among the current NFL starters.
He is not just a little above average. He is a good starter within the top 10 for sure towards top 6-7. Every QB situation is different, personnel surrounding, schedule, starting field postiion, run game support, Oline. Life is hard for him in alot of those areas and he produces a ton for the Lions. People take him for granted and exaggerate the comp % and int "problem". He gets too much blame for those issues. It's still a Lions team issue but Stafford is not a person to point the majority of blame.
He's not top 6-7. I was in the middle of typing out this list of guys and their statistics, and I accidentally closed my browser. But, the recap is that Stafford's rating is almost 10 points lower than the guys I listed. Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Kapernick are the ones that I would take in a heartbeat over Stafford.
The next tier that are better than Stafford are Romo, Ryan, Luck, and Newton. You can talk about Romo not being a playoff winner, but at least he's been there, and his career rating dwarves Stafford's pedestrian 83.1.
I would take every single one of those QBs in a Lions uniform over Matt Stafford. Newton and Luck offer another dimension that Stafford doesn't, and I would consider Ryan a wash/slight upgrade.
The next tier that are better than Stafford are Romo, Ryan, Luck, and Newton. You can talk about Romo not being a playoff winner, but at least he's been there, and his career rating dwarves Stafford's pedestrian 83.1.
I would take every single one of those QBs in a Lions uniform over Matt Stafford. Newton and Luck offer another dimension that Stafford doesn't, and I would consider Ryan a wash/slight upgrade.
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LKP are you Staffords dad?
Im still trying to wrap my head around your logic. Everything bad that happens ( ie int, drops and incompletions) are not the fault of the qb. But anything good ( no matter how great of a play by the wr or rb) all the credit goes to Stafford.
He is top 6-7. 6th TDs, 6th 3rd down, 3rd in yards without number 2 and 3 half the year and a slow TE plus no turnovers. He has a tougher life than most QBs due to injuries to weapons and not enough turnovers forced by his defense. His run game is hit or miss in 2013 and was absent most of 2011/2012. Fuck Cam, Kaep and Wilson most overrated QBs ever living off defense. Manning,Brady,Brees,Rodgers then the next tier is Stafford,Ryan,Romo,Big Ben.
Qb rating, 19 picks, comp % is not mainly his fault. You saw the 113 incompletions stat for misses. And QB rating is skewed due to the comp rate and picks. He would have more TDs if they had more defensive turnovers too or his offensive weapons didn't have 12 fumbles. 30+ turnovers=Stafford 40 TDs.
Calvin is a blessing and a curse. He makes explosive plays and draws coverage, but he draws coverage so tight windows. If nobody else gets open then Stafford has to force into tight coverage more often and hence the poor catch rate to Calvin this year. Calvin with broken fingers and a bum knee didn't beat the doubles as much in 2013.
Stafford needs some footwork tweaking but he is a top 7 QB.
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