New Batting Order?

[Mitchrapp]

Cabrera should still hit 4th because he is their best overall hitter. Prince should hit 3rd.

Well facing Sabathia, I'd want Cabrera 4th, facing Weaver I'd want Prince.

Not many teams are as fortunate to have 2 of the top 5 sluggers in all MLB on it's roster, might as well take advantage of the matchups.

They both hit rhp and lhp so why would it matter?

 

[mjsb2]

Assuming Cabby moves to third, with Fielder at first, what would be your ideal batting order for the Tigers?

Mine:
1) Avila - good OBP, smart hitter who will take walks and deliver the occasional pop to start things strong.
2) Boesch - always good in the first half.
3) Cabrera - clean up, obviously.
4) Fielder - would swap to three depending on opposing pitcher, does the same as Cabby.
5) Peralta - hope he keeps up the hitting, but I expect some regression.
6) Young - possibly provides power deep in the order.
7) Castellanos - start getting him time in the majors
8) Santiago/Raburn - meh
9) Jackson - a pseudo-leadoff spot in later innings, maybe helps him work on his patience and role.

No offense dude, but why in the hell would you want their slowest runner Avila leading off? Also, 99% of managers don't swap their 3 and 4 hitters based on the pitcher. Cabrera is still their best hitter, clearly better than Prince, and will deservedly hit 3rd this year. Prince will hit 4th.
If opening day were tomorrow:

1. AJ CF
2. Raburn LF
3. Miggy 3B
4. Prince 1B
5. Delmon DH
6. Boesch RF
7. Peralta SS
8. Avila C
9. Ramon 2B

Speed really shouldn't be factored in.

Not to mention, common sense shows us speed is more valuable at the bottom of the lineup than the top.

I'd hit Avila 2nd.

 

[chrisinthed]

Historically, the best hitter in the lineup bats third, often with a higher OBP. Last year, Miguel hit 4th because he was the closest thing to a cleanup hitter we had. Leyland agreed with you last year, cleanup is the most important spot. But, if you have a great 3 and 4 hitter, it makes more sense to have your best hitter for average at 3, so that you don't have to have the cleanup hitter leading off the 2nd inning quite as often. Miggy at 3, Prince at 4 will mean more first inning runs in 2012. Miggy is a better hitter for average and slugging than Prince, while Prince is in my view more of a typical slugger, the type you see as an everyday clean up hitter. Either way, I'm excited for the season to start!

 

[Mitchrapp]

No offense dude, but why in the hell would you want their slowest runner Avila leading off? Also, 99% of managers don't swap their 3 and 4 hitters based on the pitcher. Cabrera is still their best hitter, clearly better than Prince, and will deservedly hit 3rd this year. Prince will hit 4th.
If opening day were tomorrow:

1. AJ CF
2. Raburn LF
3. Miggy 3B
4. Prince 1B
5. Delmon DH
6. Boesch RF
7. Peralta SS
8. Avila C
9. Ramon 2B

Speed really shouldn't be factored in.

Not to mention, common sense shows us speed is more valuable at the bottom of the lineup than the top.

I'd hit Avila 2nd.

Dude, you argued why speed doesn't matter at the top and finish it with Avila batting 2nd, not first. So apparently you don't want Avila at 1 either. Lol.

Also, before BB got hurt he was hitting 2nd a lot. I think JL likes him there so whether we like him there, I expect him batting 2.

 

[mjsb2]

Mitch[/color]]

Speed really shouldn't be factored in.

Not to mention, common sense shows us speed is more valuable at the bottom of the lineup than the top.

I'd hit Avila 2nd.

Dude, you argued why speed doesn't matter at the top and finish it with Avila batting 2nd, not first. So apparently you don't want Avila at 1 either. Lol.

Also, before BB got hurt he was hitting 2nd a lot. I think JL likes him there so whether we like him there, I expect him batting 2.

2nd is still top of the order.

I'd rather hit Avila 2nd because he'd be more valuable there than at leadoff.

And yeah, I do expect Boesch to hit 2nd too, which is fine as long as he continues performing like he did last year.

 

[johnny2x2x]

You guys, seriously, this thread is fun as hell right here. Pretty hard to fill out a lineup card that isn't sick as hell. Going to be a fun summer.

 

[chrisinthed]

You guys, seriously, this thread is fun as hell right here. Pretty hard to fill out a lineup card that isn't sick as hell. Going to be a fun summer.

+1

 

[tigers99888]

I thought Demon being in the 3 hole was ideal considering he free swings and will get many pitches to hit with Miggy and Prince possibly behind him.. So why not do it like that? Boesch is certainly an option at 3 as well. He did very well in the spot before being moved last year..

 

[Mitchrapp]

I thought Demon being in the 3 hole was ideal considering he free swings and will get many pitches to hit with Miggy and Prince possibly behind him.. So why not do it like that? Boesch is certainly an option at 3 as well. He did very well in the spot before being moved last year..

Bat one 2 and put the other down the lineup. Personally, I like Miguel 3. And no sugar coating it any longer, best player should go 3. Case closed

 

[pr0tege]

1. Jackson - CF
2. Boesch - RF
3. Cabrera - 3B
4. Fielder - 1B
5. Young - DH
6. Avila - C
7. Peralta - SS
8. Raburn - LF
9. Santiago - 2B

Miggy hit .353 against RHP last season compared to .319 against LHP so I think its a moot point to swap them around depending on what type of pitcher we are facing.

Miggy is obviously the better hitter of the 2 and has a edge in OBP (.448 to .415) so having Prince in front of him would make no sense at all especially when you consider it would create the same problem with having no one really to protect him in the lineup with Vmart out this season.

 

[masterscorpio77]

I like this one.

 

[pr0tege]

Another note that I thought was very interesting. Braun has been IBB 9 times over the last 5 years where as Miggy was given the free pass 22 times last season alone and that was WITH Vmart hitting behind him. And oh btw Fielder was IBB a NL high 32 times last season.

It is really scary to think how much better Cabrera could actually be this season with a legit MASHER protecting him in the lineup.

Boesch would probably have a career year hitting directly in front of Miggy and all the hittable pitches he would likely to see. Young could easily break the 100 RBI mark especially if you take into account that there would be lots of hitting with Miggy and Prince on base ahead of him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The guy in front of Miggy and in back of Prince will benefit greatly.

 

[randyf10]

I would like to see Prince bat 3rd, for this reason, Miggy is the better disiplined hitter, he will do a better job than Prince would with DY or whomever hits behind him while VMart is hurt. I just think that Cabby will always rake and just think of the good pitches Prince will see with Cabby behind him, I would also rotate Raburn and Boesch at 2nd in the order, depending on LKP or RHP, they too should see great pitches with Prince and Cabby behind them. The rest of the order will work its self out.

 

[jimrice]

Mitch[/color]]

I thought Demon being in the 3 hole was ideal considering he free swings and will get many pitches to hit with Miggy and Prince possibly behind him.. So why not do it like that? Boesch is certainly an option at 3 as well. He did very well in the spot before being moved last year..

Bat one 2 and put the other down the lineup. Personally, I like Miguel 3. And no sugar coating it any longer, best player should go 3. Case closed

And in 1491, the Earth was flat. Case closed.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I disagree. I want the best hitter, and that's Miggy to have the better support. We know Miggy can hit with crap behind him but he might just go out of this world with Prince behind him. And I like having the higher average at 3 and power at 4.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Last year Miggy was IBB a lot with Vmart behind him. Vmart not being a power hitter made sense, keep the ball in play. With Miggy at 3, he'll get more strikes and less IBB. He's going to rake.

 

[mjsb2]

I thought Demon being in the 3 hole was ideal considering he free swings and will get many pitches to hit with Miggy and Prince possibly behind him.. So why not do it like that? Boesch is certainly an option at 3 as well. He did very well in the spot before being moved last year..

Because it's actually a bad idea.

You want baserunners in front of Cabrera and Fielder.

Delmon Young does not get on base.

And teams aren't going to throw him pitches in the strike zone anymore than they would without Cabrera behind him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]

Bat one 2 and put the other down the lineup. Personally, I like Miguel 3. And no sugar coating it any longer, best player should go 3. Case closed

And in 1491, the Earth was flat. Case closed.

Lets talk brass tacks. In the history of MLB and the hitters who batted 3. Sure some batted 4 but its all about the great hitters at 3. Get him more PA. And we don't have a team where we're getting people on base in the top of the order.

Before Prince people wanted Miggy 4, we had AJ, BB/Raburn/Maggs and a combo of Raburn/Kelly/Dirks/DY in the top 3. He wasn't coming up with guys on anyway. Then the argument do you want him up with two outs and none on, or leading off in the 2nd inning? First inning is hugely important and Miggy can start a two out rally.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Who is going to IBB Miguel now that Prince is behind him? Won't happen.