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[wolverine304]

I doubt a vegetarian wants a good bbq place to go to. I'm pretty sure he just enjoys a dumb arguement. Lol

 

[greenandwhite95]

Okay, I have to tell you something M&B. Do you realize that Black Bears are omnivores, not carnivores. 85 % of their diet is berries, roots and nuts. The other percentage consist of bugs. We do't have Grizzlys here in Michigan buddy, just Black bears. Just thought I would let you know.

yes, I read the same wikipedia page you did. You needed to keep reading: "They will also prey on mule and white-tailed deer fawns "

Obviously when they say 85 % of their diet is nuts and berries they won't be a true threat to the deer population, so DUH, Bears can't be considered a source to CONTROL the deer herd. Sheesh.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So now the Bear arguement is gone, does the population now get controlled by packs of Wolves and Coyotes ? Lets bring in some Cougars too ? Heck, they only attack a couple people a year, those are good odds. Just ask California.

Anything that is native to Michigan that we killed off - I'm fine with bringing back. Animal attacks on humans, bear wolfs and cougars included, are extremely rare.

What about sharks? Shark attacks on humans seem to be fairly common. Should we bring in sharks to control the deer population?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

yes, I read the same wikipedia page you did. You needed to keep reading: "They will also prey on mule and white-tailed deer fawns "

I hate to tell you but your source is not well informed. Black Bears do not "hunt" fawns. If by chance they stumble upon one they will eat it, if it is young and doesn't get up. I am talking new born, less than a week or so old.

Also, get off the tree hugger forum and see the real damage wolves do. They serve no purpose in lower Michigan or Ohio. The will expand their range every year so eventually you may see them. I am all for shooting wolves. I don't enjoy the kill of a hunt, but thats part of it. I will say I coyote hunt and I enjoy every one of those bastard I take down and a wolf would be just that much more satisfying. I hunt some remote private land, bring wolves to my area and everyone that comes in range will drop!

Also I vote we hit you with your Civic and if your still moving someone can shoot you with an arrow. If after 30 seconds your still moving someone with a 30.06 can try again. (joking of course, I wish you know harm)

Your just misinformed, I have lived this life style all my life. Hell I grew up with it, family runs several butcher shops. Its a fact of life. Even the bible states these facts. God tells Pete to get up and eat, and when he says he won't. God tell him that these animals are here for use and eat.

I hope you are a vegetarian.

So, again, you just like to kill things. If you don't understand why a predator exists then you simply don't understand nature.

My source about black bears is the same as yours. It clearly says they will hunt fawns. You can argue that if you want.

here's another link with a similar statement:
http://www.bearlife.org/black-bear.html
"Black bears also like salmon and other kinds of fish and will hunt for small mammals if available where they live. " Hunting is completely different than scavenging or opportunistic kills.

I said this very early on - in our society there is a need for a few people to kill things for the many. I just see no need, to purposely go out of your way to kill things for sport. In most cases you don't need to hunt to survive anymore, so IMO there's no point to do it - unless you simply like to kill things.

The bible also says you can't eat shrimp, so I'm not sure that's a credible source.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

yes, I read the same wikipedia page you did. You needed to keep reading: "They will also prey on mule and white-tailed deer fawns "

Obviously when they say 85 % of their diet is nuts and berries they won't be a true threat to the deer population, so DUH, Bears can't be considered a source to CONTROL the deer herd. Sheesh.

I didn't say bears alone. Bears + a wolf population would be enough to control the deer population.

 

[greenandwhite95]

I hate to tell you but your source is not well informed. Black Bears do not "hunt" fawns. If by chance they stumble upon one they will eat it, if it is young and doesn't get up. I am talking new born, less than a week or so old.

Also, get off the tree hugger forum and see the real damage wolves do. They serve no purpose in lower Michigan or Ohio. The will expand their range every year so eventually you may see them. I am all for shooting wolves. I don't enjoy the kill of a hunt, but thats part of it. I will say I coyote hunt and I enjoy every one of those bastard I take down and a wolf would be just that much more satisfying. I hunt some remote private land, bring wolves to my area and everyone that comes in range will drop!

Also I vote we hit you with your Civic and if your still moving someone can shoot you with an arrow. If after 30 seconds your still moving someone with a 30.06 can try again. (joking of course, I wish you know harm)

Your just misinformed, I have lived this life style all my life. Hell I grew up with it, family runs several butcher shops. Its a fact of life. Even the bible states these facts. God tells Pete to get up and eat, and when he says he won't. God tell him that these animals are here for use and eat.

I hope you are a vegetarian.

So, again, you just like to kill things. If you don't understand why a predator exists then you simply don't understand nature.

My source about black bears is the same as yours. It clearly says they will hunt fawns. You can argue that if you want.

here's another link with a similar statement:
http://www.bearlife.org/black-bear.html
"Black bears also like salmon and other kinds of fish and will hunt for small mammals if available where they live. " Hunting is completely different than scavenging or opportunistic kills.

I said this very early on - in our society there is a need for a few people to kill things for the many. I just see no need, to purposely go out of your way to kill things for sport. In most cases you don't need to hunt to survive anymore, so IMO there's no point to do it - unless you simply like to kill things.

The bible also says you can't eat shrimp, so I'm not sure that's a credible source.

What is wrong with killing your own meat ? Last time I cheked i didn't see Venison roast at Kroger. You have this perception that people are ONLY out there to kill something. My main reason is for the meat, which I can get A LOT cheaper by taking my own animal than going to the grocery store. It is also a more leaner meat, which is more healthy. When you process your deer you know where and what has been done to it. Do you know what or where your Burger came from ?

It is also a sport. It takes SOME skill, mainly luck, to hunt a big buck. Some people never shoot anything bigger than a 1 1/2 year old. It gives me a sense of accomplishment when I can watch a buck for years and be able to finish the hunt with a trophy. I'm just not out there to shoot something. Sadly, some people are.

 

[lostleader]

I hate to tell you but your source is not well informed. Black Bears do not "hunt" fawns. If by chance they stumble upon one they will eat it, if it is young and doesn't get up. I am talking new born, less than a week or so old.

Also, get off the tree hugger forum and see the real damage wolves do. They serve no purpose in lower Michigan or Ohio. The will expand their range every year so eventually you may see them. I am all for shooting wolves. I don't enjoy the kill of a hunt, but thats part of it. I will say I coyote hunt and I enjoy every one of those bastard I take down and a wolf would be just that much more satisfying. I hunt some remote private land, bring wolves to my area and everyone that comes in range will drop!

Also I vote we hit you with your Civic and if your still moving someone can shoot you with an arrow. If after 30 seconds your still moving someone with a 30.06 can try again. (joking of course, I wish you know harm)

Your just misinformed, I have lived this life style all my life. Hell I grew up with it, family runs several butcher shops. Its a fact of life. Even the bible states these facts. God tells Pete to get up and eat, and when he says he won't. God tell him that these animals are here for use and eat.

I hope you are a vegetarian.

So, again, you just like to kill things. If you don't understand why a predator exists then you simply don't understand nature.

My source about black bears is the same as yours. It clearly says they will hunt fawns. You can argue that if you want.

here's another link with a similar statement:
http://www.bearlife.org/black-bear.html
"Black bears also like salmon and other kinds of fish and will hunt for small mammals if available where they live. " Hunting is completely different than scavenging or opportunistic kills.

I said this very early on - in our society there is a need for a few people to kill things for the many. I just see no need, to purposely go out of your way to kill things for sport. In most cases you don't need to hunt to survive anymore, so IMO there's no point to do it - unless you simply like to kill things.

The bible also says you can't eat shrimp, so I'm not sure that's a credible source.

Better reread your bible again. It is the only true source. 100% Fact.

So put me in the category of people who need to kill things for the masses. My meat, my choice.

As for the bear argument, I can assure you my sources are different than yours. I will try to find you a link, but bears do not "hunt" deer. They will take a easy pick, but they don't hunt like yotes' or wolves do. If you want to get down to brass tacks yotes' do more damage to deer than wolves do. If a wolf population get big enough they will eat coyotes, but coyotes are not high on a wolves list. Wolves and coyotes are like the Taliban in the deer woods. Kill them all.

Also I find the name hunter offensive. I prefer "Deer Herd Reduction Specialist"

 

[greenandwhite95]

Obviously when they say 85 % of their diet is nuts and berries they won't be a true threat to the deer population, so DUH, Bears can't be considered a source to CONTROL the deer herd. Sheesh.

I didn't say bears alone. Bears + a wolf population would be enough to control the deer population.

What don't you understand about 85% of a bears diet being nuts and berries ? Their diet does not consist of deer. Quit deflecting from the truth.

 

[lostleader]

So, again, you just like to kill things. If you don't understand why a predator exists then you simply don't understand nature.

My source about black bears is the same as yours. It clearly says they will hunt fawns. You can argue that if you want.

here's another link with a similar statement:
http://www.bearlife.org/black-bear.html
"Black bears also like salmon and other kinds of fish and will hunt for small mammals if available where they live. " Hunting is completely different than scavenging or opportunistic kills.

I said this very early on - in our society there is a need for a few people to kill things for the many. I just see no need, to purposely go out of your way to kill things for sport. In most cases you don't need to hunt to survive anymore, so IMO there's no point to do it - unless you simply like to kill things.

The bible also says you can't eat shrimp, so I'm not sure that's a credible source.

What is wrong with killing your own meat ? Last time I cheked i didn't see Venison roast at Kroger. You have this perception that people are ONLY out there to kill something. My main reason is for the meat, which I can get A LOT cheaper by taking my own animal than going to the grocery store. It is also a more leaner meat, which is more healthy. When you process your deer you know where and what has been done to it. Do you know what or where your Burger came from ?

It is also a sport. It takes SOME skill, mainly luck, to hunt a big buck. Some people never shoot anything bigger than a 1 1/2 year old. It gives me a sense of accomplishment when I can watch a buck for years and be able to finish the hunt with a trophy. I'm just not out there to shoot something. Sadly, some people are.

The difference in the meat is dead on. You for got one main point. I can assure you the venison that I eat has never been injected with hormones or antibiotics. It 100% all natural, lean wholesome meat, all this talk made me lay out some deer sausage

Also I never cried when bambi died. Now that I have a son that movie has been banned from my house. It not realistic and is a poor description of nature. I did however tear up when they shot Ol' Yeller

 

[greenandwhite95]

So, again, you just like to kill things. If you don't understand why a predator exists then you simply don't understand nature.

My source about black bears is the same as yours. It clearly says they will hunt fawns. You can argue that if you want.

here's another link with a similar statement:
http://www.bearlife.org/black-bear.html
"Black bears also like salmon and other kinds of fish and will hunt for small mammals if available where they live. " Hunting is completely different than scavenging or opportunistic kills.

I said this very early on - in our society there is a need for a few people to kill things for the many. I just see no need, to purposely go out of your way to kill things for sport. In most cases you don't need to hunt to survive anymore, so IMO there's no point to do it - unless you simply like to kill things.

The bible also says you can't eat shrimp, so I'm not sure that's a credible source.

Better reread your bible again. It is the only true source. 100% Fact.

So put me in the category of people who need to kill things for the masses. My meat, my choice.

As for the bear argument, I can assure you my sources are different than yours. I will try to find you a link, but bears do not "hunt" deer. They will take a easy pick, but they don't hunt like yotes' or wolves do. If you want to get down to brass tacks yotes' do more damage to deer than wolves do. If a wolf population get big enough they will eat coyotes, but coyotes are not high on a wolves list. Wolves and coyotes are like the Taliban in the deer woods. Kill them all.

Also I find the name hunter offensive. I prefer "Deer Herd Reduction Specialist"

I watched a 4 coyotes kill a fawn a couple years ago. The doe tried to protect it but was run off. It took about 15 minutes to kill the fawn. They held it down and started biting and pulling at it until I think they suffocated it. Pretty crazy since you don't see many yotes during the day. The fawn was a late drop, probably only 50 lbs.

Coyotes are definitely big deer killers.

 

[greenandwhite95]

What is wrong with killing your own meat ? Last time I cheked i didn't see Venison roast at Kroger. You have this perception that people are ONLY out there to kill something. My main reason is for the meat, which I can get A LOT cheaper by taking my own animal than going to the grocery store. It is also a more leaner meat, which is more healthy. When you process your deer you know where and what has been done to it. Do you know what or where your Burger came from ?

It is also a sport. It takes SOME skill, mainly luck, to hunt a big buck. Some people never shoot anything bigger than a 1 1/2 year old. It gives me a sense of accomplishment when I can watch a buck for years and be able to finish the hunt with a trophy. I'm just not out there to shoot something. Sadly, some people are.

The difference in the meat is dead on. You for got one main point. I can assure you the venison that I eat has never been injected with hormones or antibiotics. It 100% all natural, lean wholesome meat, all this talk made me lay out some deer sausage

Also I never cried when bambi died. Now that I have a son that movie has been banned from my house. It not realistic and is a poor description of nature. I did however tear up when they shot Ol' Yeller

Venison is an acquired taste, one that I love. When I processed mine I would always add some beef soot to the burger, need a little fat for burger to taste. It's amazing how any people I got to try venison that never wanted to before and now they are hooked. Nothing like eating a free range animal.

 

[greenandwhite95]

Alright, i'm done hijacking ths thread.

I think you might be surprised bout this new recruit. He plays football at a big high school and seems to be doing a real good job. Thats got to account for something, right.

 

[wolverine304]

You guys are just giving him the arguement he weirdly wants lol.

 

[hungry]

What is wrong with killing your own meat ? Last time I cheked i didn't see Venison roast at Kroger. You have this perception that people are ONLY out there to kill something. My main reason is for the meat, which I can get A LOT cheaper by taking my own animal than going to the grocery store. It is also a more leaner meat, which is more healthy. When you process your deer you know where and what has been done to it. Do you know what or where your Burger came from ?

It is also a sport. It takes SOME skill, mainly luck, to hunt a big buck. Some people never shoot anything bigger than a 1 1/2 year old. It gives me a sense of accomplishment when I can watch a buck for years and be able to finish the hunt with a trophy. I'm just not out there to shoot something. Sadly, some people are.

The difference in the meat is dead on. You for got one main point. I can assure you the venison that I eat has never been injected with hormones or antibiotics. It 100% all natural, lean wholesome meat, all this talk made me lay out some deer sausage

Also I never cried when bambi died. Now that I have a son that movie has been banned from my house. It not realistic and is a poor description of nature. I did however tear up when they shot Ol' Yeller

Except a lot of deer in Michigan feed off hormone grown corn...with pesticides on it.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I'm done with it, you can kill deer if you want - I just think it's morbid.

 

[greenandwhite95]

The difference in the meat is dead on. You for got one main point. I can assure you the venison that I eat has never been injected with hormones or antibiotics. It 100% all natural, lean wholesome meat, all this talk made me lay out some deer sausage

Also I never cried when bambi died. Now that I have a son that movie has been banned from my house. It not realistic and is a poor description of nature. I did however tear up when they shot Ol' Yeller

Except a lot of deer in Michigan feed off hormone grown corn...with pesticides on it.

LOL, good point. Everything has some sort of chemical in it anymore. I guess the less amount is better though.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

What is wrong with killing your own meat ? Last time I cheked i didn't see Venison roast at Kroger. You have this perception that people are ONLY out there to kill something. My main reason is for the meat, which I can get A LOT cheaper by taking my own animal than going to the grocery store. It is also a more leaner meat, which is more healthy. When you process your deer you know where and what has been done to it. Do you know what or where your Burger came from ?

It is also a sport. It takes SOME skill, mainly luck, to hunt a big buck. Some people never shoot anything bigger than a 1 1/2 year old. It gives me a sense of accomplishment when I can watch a buck for years and be able to finish the hunt with a trophy. I'm just not out there to shoot something. Sadly, some people are.

I'd argue that it probably isn't cheaper, depending on how much you hunt every year. The cost of sitting around + gas + ammo + cost of the gun probably factors out to be more expensive. Maybe not for a guy who shoots 3+ deer every year and freezes all of the meat but for the average hunter I bet it is.

And if you really want specialty meats, like venison, there are places all over where you can buy it. Example - you can buy Bison meat at Whole foods.

one of the first hits on google: http://www.elkusa.com/venison_meat.htm

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Better reread your bible again. It is the only true source. 100% Fact.

So put me in the category of people who need to kill things for the masses. My meat, my choice.

As for the bear argument, I can assure you my sources are different than yours. I will try to find you a link, but bears do not "hunt" deer. They will take a easy pick, but they don't hunt like yotes' or wolves do. If you want to get down to brass tacks yotes' do more damage to deer than wolves do. If a wolf population get big enough they will eat coyotes, but coyotes are not high on a wolves list. Wolves and coyotes are like the Taliban in the deer woods. Kill them all.

Also I find the name hunter offensive. I prefer "Deer Herd Reduction Specialist"

It wouldn't be "faith" if it was based on factual information. And I'm not out to try and insult your religion, I'm just saying it because you brought it up.

 

[lostleader]

Better reread your bible again. It is the only true source. 100% Fact.

So put me in the category of people who need to kill things for the masses. My meat, my choice.

As for the bear argument, I can assure you my sources are different than yours. I will try to find you a link, but bears do not "hunt" deer. They will take a easy pick, but they don't hunt like yotes' or wolves do. If you want to get down to brass tacks yotes' do more damage to deer than wolves do. If a wolf population get big enough they will eat coyotes, but coyotes are not high on a wolves list. Wolves and coyotes are like the Taliban in the deer woods. Kill them all.

Also I find the name hunter offensive. I prefer "Deer Herd Reduction Specialist"

It wouldn't be "faith" if it was based on factual information. And I'm not out to try and insult your religion, I'm just saying it because you brought it up.

Your not offending my religion. You have to believe in what you read, that is faith. Once you know your faith is right then it becomes fact!

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It wouldn't be "faith" if it was based on factual information. And I'm not out to try and insult your religion, I'm just saying it because you brought it up.

Your not offending my religion. You have to believe in what you read, that is faith. Once you know your faith is right then it becomes fact!

Fact implies it can be proven.