Next GM and Head Coach

[byco42]

Man I'll be 155 years old. I'm not sure I'm that patient.

Lions' ownership expects us to be. And the Fords will still own the Lions in 2121.

 

[mhughes0021]

Players do pay attention to negativety. lions fans are most negative there is. lions fans think they are going to lose before they even play the game. That is the problem. Philly fans boo if they are playing poorly. There is a huge difference there. I've seen some of you already writing off next season lol. We don't even have a GM/HC and you are writing off the season.

You are negative before the sucking occurs. And players can see that. Social media is huge and players are very aware.

City itself, negative fans are huge problems.

Ownership doesn't meddle and provides plenty of support. They have just picked bad GMs who picked bad head coaches at times. And they have been too loyal to them. But Sheila is looking different in that regard. Now let's see if they pick the right combo and make the personnel changes needed.

Patricia/Quinn basically had to look for ex Patriot players only because of the fans/situation/history. So they had a great plan for that but botched some day 2 drafts. And the ex Pats were good player added for the most part. Day 2 draft was the killer along with Patricias scheme and just overall conservatism. And then you have injuries, cap reasons, talented players sometimes just not getting it and executing, good players regressing. There are so many factors.

And refs do have some unconscious bias it seems. And that is a huge disadvantage when you are already just scrounging to try and win games. Makes it even worse if all the big calls go against you. I have never seen a huge call and been like, oh the Lions got luck there and it was a game changing call for a Lions win.

And each year is different. Try and remember that. They'll get the right combo soon enough

Quin and Patricia sucked because thats what they are....it had nothing to do with the fans. Neither one of them proved anything...ever. And our ownership expected them to come here and build greatness?!! How? Why? They never did anything...zilch lol. Its a testament to how stupid our organization is. To be honest nothing has changed. Look at this year candidates. No outside the box thinking. Filled with rehash's like Marvin Lewis and CBS sports top 5 HC candidates for 2021. They do things because theyre told to...not because they have any idea whats going on or how to win as an organization. Thats why we suck. Until they change thats why theyll continue to suck. Patiently waiting 40 years for the day they prove me wrong.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Quin and Patricia sucked because thats what they are....it had nothing to do with the fans. Neither one of them proved anything...ever. And our ownership expected them to come here and build greatness?!! How? Why? They never did anything...zilch lol. Its a testament to how stupid our organization is. To be honest nothing has changed. Look at this year candidates. No outside the box thinking. Filled with rehash's like Marvin Lewis and CBS sports top 5 HC candidates for 2021. They do things because theyre told to...not because they have any idea whats going on or how to win as an organization. Thats why we suck. Until they change thats why theyll continue to suck. Patiently waiting 40 years for the day they prove me wrong.

I will be extremely disappointed if we don't have Robert Saleh as our next head coach. Total opposite of Patricia. Proven track record without someone holding his hand for him. Earns players respect. Guys WANT to play for him.

Also, to your point, a complete 180 from what this franchise has done for most of the last 25 years.....hire someone with a "new school" football upbringing. Schwartz fit that too, and did have some success here.....but I think Saleh would turn us around and get the most out of what is here. Add a GM that brings in actual talent and we might be able to turn around this TITANIC of a franchise.

 

[mhughes0021]

I will be extremely disappointed if we don't have Robert Saleh as our next head coach. Total opposite of Patricia. Proven track record without someone holding his hand for him. Earns players respect. Guys WANT to play for him.

Also, to your point, a complete 180 from what this franchise has done for most of the last 25 years.....hire someone with a "new school" football upbringing. Schwartz fit that too, and did have some success here.....but I think Saleh would turn us around and get the most out of what is here. Add a GM that brings in actual talent and we might be able to turn around this TITANIC of a franchise.

i like saleh alot. I think Matt Campbell from Iowa State is a similar candidate whos players are clearly not as talented but he gets everyone to buy in and maximizes their potential becaus ethey want to play for him. Wouldnt ever be considered here because hes not on the top 5 list on CBS. He'll go to a progressive front office team one day that knows football and he'll do great.

Bienemy is the complete definition of what youre talking about...he is this years Adam Gase who got job after job because Peyton Manning was his QB.

 

[tomdalton22]

i like saleh alot. I think Matt Campbell from Iowa State is a similar candidate whos players are clearly not as talented but he gets everyone to buy in and maximizes their potential becaus ethey want to play for him. Wouldnt ever be considered here because hes not on the top 5 list on CBS. He'll go to a progressive front office team one day that knows football and he'll do great.

If these two guys are good candidates, they will choose a better franchise. I think the Lions job is the worst of the bunch.

 

[LKP]

If these two guys are good candidates, they will choose a better franchise. I think the Lions job is the worst of the bunch.

LOL pathetic

HOF QB, owners willing to support but not meddle and be pretty loyal to you and give you time, good cap space, early draft picks. Ability to make as many changes as you and want and bring in other coaches you want.

It's a great situation. Also Saleh has Michigan ties. So

 

[boogerlovejoy]

If these two guys are good candidates, they will choose a better franchise. I think the Lions job is the worst of the bunch.

That's not true. Saleh is from the Detroit area and has a lot of ties to the city. You never know what may sway a guy to take a particular job over another. The money will be about the same wherever he goes.

Maybe he grew up a Lions fan and dreamed of playing/coaching there one day. All these players and coaches probably had a favorite team growing up, like we all did.

And the Lions job isn't considered a bad job. You have extremely loyal owners who stay out of the way and aren't afraid to spend money. Nice facilities. Very nice suburbs.

Not saying Saleh is going to end up here.....but I doubt what happened from the 1960's to today weighs that heavily on his decision.

 

[tomdalton22]

LOL pathetic

HOF QB, owners willing to support but not meddle and be pretty loyal to you and give you time, good cap space, early draft picks. Ability to make as many changes as you and want and bring in other coaches you want.

It's a great situation. Also Saleh has Michigan ties. So

you lost everyone once you said that they have a HOF QB :lmao:

 

[tomdalton22]

That's not true. Saleh is from the Detroit area and has a lot of ties to the city. You never know what may sway a guy to take a particular job over another. The money will be about the same wherever he goes.

Maybe he grew up a Lions fan and dreamed of playing/coaching there one day. All these players and coaches probably had a favorite team growing up, like we all did.

And the Lions job isn't considered a bad job. You have extremely loyal owners who stay out of the way and aren't afraid to spend money. Nice facilities. Very nice suburbs.

Not saying Saleh is going to end up here.....but I doubt what happened from the 1960's to today weighs that heavily on his decision.

no, but a terrible roster, aging QB, and the opposite of an attractive free agent destination are all huge considerations.

Jags, Trevor Lawrence, a bunch of draft picks, more cap space than almost any other team, no state tax > Lions

Chargers. Better roster, young stud QB, great location > Lions

Jets. More draft picks than any other team looking for a coach, better roster > Lions

Texans. Great QB, better roster, no state tax > Lions

The Falcons are probably about equal to the Lions because Matt Ryan is old and owed a bunch of money.

 

[byco42]

LOL pathetic

HOF QB, owners willing to support but not meddle and be pretty loyal to you and give you time, good cap space, early draft picks. Ability to make as many changes as you and want and bring in other coaches you want.

It's a great situation. Also Saleh has Michigan ties. So

Wait...good FA players avoid DET because the city is "shitty" but good coaches will flock here?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

no, but a terrible roster, aging QB, and the opposite of an attractive free agent destination are all huge considerations.

Jags, Trevor Lawrence, a bunch of draft picks, more cap space than almost any other team, no state tax > Lions

Chargers. Better roster, young stud QB, great location > Lions

Jets. More draft picks than any other team looking for a coach, better roster > Lions

Texans. Great QB, better roster, no state tax > Lions

The Falcons are probably about equal to the Lions because Matt Ryan is old and owed a bunch of money.

Jags - Trevor Lawrence is a great start. Terrible roster. Lots of money to spend, yes, but Jacksonville also isn't a FA hotbed of activity. Having money doesn't mean you'll get all the good FA.

Chargers - Better roster of young talent. Great area. Young, good QB. This is probably the most attractive job right now.

Jets - Do you honestly thing the Jets have a better roster than we do? I don't. Not even close. Trade piece in Darnold if you want to use #2 on a QB. Great situation to trade back if they choose to, also.

Texans - Good, young QB still on rookie deal. Rest of the roster is old hot garbage and they are one of the worst cap situations in football. Terrible OL. JJ Watt is getting old. Bad defensive front 7.

Falcons - Aging QB (like us). Aging roster overall and even worse cap situation than the Texans.

I'd rate it like this....

Chargers
Jags
Lions
Texans
Jets
Falcons

 

[tomdalton22]

Jags - Terrible roster. Lots of money to spend, yes, but Jacksonville also isn't a FA hotbed of activity. Having money doesn't mean you'll get all the good FA.

Chargers - Better roster of young talent. Great area. Young, good QB. This is probably the most attractive job right now.

Jets - Do you honestly thing the Jets have a better roster than we do? I don't. Not even close. Trade piece in Darnold if you want to use #2 on a QB. Great situation to trade back if they choose to, also.

Texans - Good, young QB still on rookie deal. Rest of the roster is old hot garbage and they are one of the worst cap situations in football. Terrible OL. JJ Watt is getting old. Bad defensive front 7.

Falcons - Aging QB (like us). Aging roster overall and even worse cap situation than the Texans.

I'd rate it like this....

Chargers
Jags
Lions
Texans
Jets
Falcons

I would say the Lions, Jags, & Jets have similar rosters. All hot garbage. Jets and Jags have better options because of where they are drafting and the number of picks.

I agree with you about free agents. Just because you have the money doesn't mean players will come.

Texans have Watson who is a true franchise QB. I rate Houston above Detroit because Watson >>> Stafford.

I think I would still rank the Texans over the Lions, and the Jets just because of the number of draft picks they have and all of the options available. I say Atlanta is at the bottom with Detroit.

Chargers
Jags
Texans
Jets
Lions
Atl.

We really aren't too far off. I have the Jets a little higher that Detroit and I agree that ATL is a little worse. Ryan = Stafford right now, but his cap number is much worse.

 

[mhughes0021]

LOL pathetic

HOF QB, owners willing to support but not meddle and be pretty loyal to you and give you time, good cap space, early draft picks. Ability to make as many changes as you and want and bring in other coaches you want.

It's a great situation. Also Saleh has Michigan ties. So

what world do you live in?

We only have 5 picks.
Theres a 90% chance they hire the coach before the GM and the GM has no say on who to select. Theyve already done a majority of the interviews without him lmao.
I seriously doubt theyll let him make whatever changes he wants....im guessing they already decided on a plan for stafford without him.
I read we will only have $12 mil in cap space with the potential cap space changes....i need to confirm that because it sounds low?

Which all points to the fact that this organization is ass backwards.

 

[tomdalton22]

what world do you live in?

We only have 5 picks.
Theres a 90% chance they hire the coach before the GM and the GM has no say on who to select. Theyve already done a majority of the interviews without him lmao.
I seriously doubt theyll let him make whatever changes he wants....im guessing they already decided on a plan for stafford without him.
I read we will only have $12 mil in cap space with the potential cap space changes....i need to confirm that because it sounds low?

Which all points to the fact that this organization is ass backwards.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

 

[LKP]

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

That is based on the 175 number. New reports are the CAP will be around 198 million. Also Lions can add 20-30 million in space by cutting the injured/dead weight. Trufant, Nick Williams, Joe Dahl, Christian Jones etc. Moves they are making anyway. Lions will have a ton of cap space, 5 early picks in each round and can get FAs with all that cap space. Plus could trade back for more picks too

Lions have the best situation.

 

[Mitchrapp]

They don't know what the cap will be $175-$195 or somewhere in between. Regardless, if we have more cap so will everyone else.

 

[tomdalton22]

That is based on the 175 number. New reports are the CAP will be around 198 million. Also Lions can add 20-30 million in space by cutting the injured/dead weight. Trufant, Nick Williams, Joe Dahl, Christian Jones etc. Moves they are making anyway. Lions will have a ton of cap space, 5 early picks in each round and can get FAs with all that cap space. Plus could trade back for more picks too

Lions have the best situation.

So the Lions cut about 6 players and save about $20M in cap space but add about $15M in dead money. Then have to replace those 6 players via free agency which will probably cost even more than what they save.

Anyway you look at it (regardless of where the cap is next year) there are 17 teams with more cap space than the Lions. 15 of those teams are better than the Lions. Some of the teams with less cap space aren't likely to be much worse of a team than they are now (KC, Titans, Bills, Rams, GB, Steelers, Saints)

The Lions will suck again next year. Mark my words.

 

[LKP]

So the Lions cut about 6 players and save about $20M in cap space but add about $15M in dead money. Then have to replace those 6 players via free agency which will probably cost even more than what they save.

Anyway you look at it (regardless of where the cap is next year) there are 17 teams with more cap space than the Lions. 15 of those teams are better than the Lions. Some of the teams with less cap space aren't likely to be much worse of a team than they are now (KC, Titans, Bills, Rams, GB, Steelers, Saints)

The Lions will suck again next year. Mark my words.

No they get 20 million at least in savings. That savings is factoring in the dead money. Plus 20 million more since the cap should be around 198 per the latest reports

Lions will have plenty of space, good draft picks and already have some really good players to build around if they choose

Decker, Ragnow, Jackson, Crosby can be set on the Oline.
Stafford HOF if he wants to stay
Swift/Hock are studs.
Flowers, Hand, Okudah then fix the rest of the defense

Defensive changes, figure out WR and plenty of cap space and draft picks to do so.

Lions have picks Round 1-5. They don't have Round 6 or 7. They can add 5 guys that can really help or even trade down.

Lions are in a great position still.

 

[LKP]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/cap/2021/

6.5+23 (198) at 198 million not 175 is 29.5million to start before the savings for the Lions

Trufant 6.5 savings (12.5 cap hit gone but 6 dead)
5 million for Justin Coleman (11 cap hit, 6 dead)
4.7 million for Nick Williams savings
4 million for Shelton savings
2.3 for Chase Daniels
2.9 for Joe Dahl
700 K for Will Harris
2.6 million for Christian Jones

Total savings 28.7 million in savings

29.5+28.7=58.2 million in cap space.

Lions are golden to add a ton of new FAs and cutting all the guys you hate

Jessie James, Jamie Collins you could move too (or trade). Collins would be a post June 1 cut though spread over 2 years for savings in 2021

And there is the 198 million number

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/06/optimism-emerges-regarding-2021-salary-cap/

And some teams in big time trouble even at 198
Saints, Eagles, Falcons in absolute cap hell
Packers are 2 over at 198 million. Rams 1 over at 198 million. Vikings 6 under. They will need to make some cuts and restructures. Packers have to resign Aaron Jones and Linsley and Kevin King still.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/

 

[LKP]

At 58 million, they can franchise Golladay at 17 million if they choose and still have plenty at 41 million. Draft about 5-6 million from that space. 35 million for free agents then and you have a number 1 WR at that point. And can create more cap space by working on a long term deal then. But it all depends on new GM and injury for Golladay