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[tomdalton22]

No they get 20 million at least in savings. That savings is factoring in the dead money. Plus 20 million more since the cap should be around 198 per the latest reports

Lions will have plenty of space, good draft picks and already have some really good players to build around if they choose

Decker, Ragnow, Jackson, Crosby can be set on the Oline.
Stafford HOF if he wants to stay
Swift/Hock are studs.
Flowers, Hand, Okudah then fix the rest of the defense

Defensive changes, figure out WR and plenty of cap space and draft picks to do so.

Lions have picks Round 1-5. They don't have Round 6 or 7. They can add 5 guys that can really help or even trade down.

Lions are in a great position still.

you do understand that dead money isn't a good thing. That's money that counts against the cap but isn't producing anything positive. Essentially, if the cap is $198M the Lions start with $183M. Cutting those players is good to save money but you still have to replace them with free agents. Most likely they will spend almost all of the "cap savings" replacing the mistakes of the past. You know...all of those signings that you claimed to be great signings and great players! :lmao:

 

[mhughes0021]

A smart GM would realize this team is going to suck for the next 2 years anyways and start the rebuild now with:
trading stafford
getting additional picks
Get your QB of the future since youre picking so high in the draft

Theres not enough assets to make enough changes on defense to make a difference. Stafford has proven he cant score 30+ a game to outscore the opponents so you need to try something different.

But...as we already discussed, no way would a new GM do that. Spielman/Wood have probably already made a decision on stafford to stay. Which means you have 5 picks and a little bit of cap space to change your team. 3 of those draft picks are probably going to Offense. I can see us drafting a WR, OL and RB. So that leaves 2 draft picks to impact your defense...aka....its not going to impact your defense.

Throw in the difficult schedule...this team is doomed next year. get used to it now.

 

[LKP]

you do understand that dead money isn't a good thing. That's money that counts against the cap but isn't producing anything positive. Essentially, if the cap is $198M the Lions start with $183M. Cutting those players is good to save money but you still have to replace them with free agents. Most likely they will spend almost all of the "cap savings" replacing the mistakes of the past. You know...all of those signings that you claimed to be great signings and great players! :lmao:

All that 28 million is cap savings plus a great cushion to start. Dead cap happens with most cuts.

ALSO AND PAY ATTENTION
WE WANT THOSE PLAYERS REPLACED. YOU WANT THOSE PLAYERS REPLACED. THE ONES YOU SAY SUCK SO BAD. EVEN IF WE DIDN'T GET THE CAP SAVINGS YOU WANT TRUFANT, COLEMAN, SHELTON, CHRISTIAN JONES, WILL HARRIS, DAHL GONE

So yes of course we need to replace them with free agents or draft picks. That's what happens in the offseason every year. Players get replaced for other players. usually about 30% of rosters, sometimes more. We have the money to do so and we want to replace them too is the point.

 

[LKP]

A smart GM would realize this team is going to suck for the next 2 years anyways and start the rebuild now with:
trading stafford
getting additional picks
Get your QB of the future since youre picking so high in the draft

Theres not enough assets to make enough changes on defense to make a difference. Stafford has proven he cant score 30+ a game to outscore the opponents so you need to try something different.

But...as we already discussed, no way would a new GM do that. Spielman/Wood have probably already made a decision on stafford to stay. Which means you have 5 picks and a little bit of cap space to change your team. 3 of those draft picks are probably going to Offense. I can see us drafting a WR, OL and RB. So that leaves 2 draft picks to impact your defense...aka....its not going to impact your defense.

Throw in the difficult schedule...this team is doomed next year. get used to it now.

A smart GM will know they have ample cap space to make changes on defense, WR, one oline, he can trade back for more picks, Stafford is a good QB and a rookie is a gamble. A smart GM would also pick good players to finally successfully build around HOF QB Stafford.

 

[LKP]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/cap/2021/

6.5+23 (198) at 198 million not 175 is 29.5million to start before the savings for the Lions

Trufant 6.5 savings (12.5 cap hit gone but 6 dead)
5 million for Justin Coleman (11 cap hit, 6 dead)
4.7 million for Nick Williams savings
4 million for Shelton savings
2.3 for Chase Daniels
2.9 for Joe Dahl
700 K for Will Harris
2.6 million for Christian Jones

Total savings 28.7 million in savings

29.5+28.7=58.2 million in cap space.

Lions are golden to add a ton of new FAs and cutting all the guys you hate

Jessie James, Jamie Collins you could move too (or trade). Collins would be a post June 1 cut though spread over 2 years for savings in 2021

And there is the 198 million number

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...21-salary-cap/

And some teams in big time trouble even at 198
Saints, Eagles, Falcons in absolute cap hell
Packers are 2 over at 198 million. Rams 1 over at 198 million. Vikings 6 under. They will need to make some cuts and restructures. Packers have to resign Aaron Jones and Linsley and Kevin King still.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/

This all proves the Lions are in great shape. Why didn't you air quote this one Dalton. It factors in the cushion and the cap savings and almost 60 million in space.

 

[tomdalton22]

A smart GM will know they have ample cap space to make changes on defense, WR, one oline, he can trade back for more picks, Stafford is a good QB and a rookie is a gamble. A smart GM would also pick good players to finally successfully build around HOF QB Stafford.

lol, make changes on defense. Just need 9 starters and add depth. Just some minor tweaks :lmao:

Good teams need to replace a few starters and have more than 5 picks. The Lions need to replace 15 starters and add depth. Sounds like a desirable situation.

 

[LKP]

lol, make changes on defense. Just need 9 starters and add depth. Just some minor tweaks :lmao:

Good teams need to replace a few starters and have more than 5 picks. The Lions need to replace 15 starters and add depth. Sounds like a desirable situation.

The Lions have the space to make 14-15 changes

We have 4 Oline set, TE set, RB set, QB can be set if they keep Stafford. Need 4 on offense, plus a power back, 9 on defense (depends who they cut from Williams, Shelton, Coleman, Collins etc)

10-12 free agents can be done no problem with that cap space (3 of them are from expiring WR contracts not a talent)

Lions literally did it last year with similar space. Do it again this year but with better players. Lions spent big money on players who failed.

Decker, Jackson, Ragnow, Vaitai, Crosby could be the starting Oline again and they could succeed too. KG can be franchised. Stafford retained. Lions would be pretty set on offense with FA and draft to focus on the defense

The Lions gave Jessie James, Vaita, Coleman, Trufant, Collins big time money. Give out the big time money to better players. You can find good players too for the money they gave to Shelton or Nick Williams or Amendola

They gave 10 per to Trufant. Josh Norman got 6 per. Shelton 5 per, Malcol Brown another good former Pat 5 per. There is talent to be had at those prices. 9 per for Coleman. How about 7 per for Jonathan Jones from Pats, Chris Harris 8.5 per. There are good players they can get for big money and medium sized money. Scheme is big thing too. And injuries. Like Trufant could have been good but had a bum hamstring all year wasting 10 per.

 

[tomdalton22]

if the new GM has a crystal ball and hits on every free agent and every draft pick the Lions might finish 8-8

My guess is they still finish under .500 next year regardless of how well they do in free agency. A new regime, new staff, new offense, new defense and trying to mix in 13-15 new starters. They are destined to fail.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I wouldn't give Golladay close to 17m.

 

[LKP]

if the new GM has a crystal ball and hits on every free agent and every draft pick the Lions might finish 8-8

My guess is they still finish under .500 next year regardless of how well they do in free agency. A new regime, new staff, new offense, new defense and trying to mix in 13-15 new starters. They are destined to fail.

LOL writing them off already. Before the changes are even made. This is why even if the Lions suck or fail or underachieve you are not right. You are saying they will fail before the changes happen.

Also you don't need every player to be a stud or even all of them good. Just enough of them good with a good scheme mixed in with a few game changers.

And like current players can do better. Like Flowers is good and might not miss 9 games, same with Golladay if they tag or resign him, big time playmaker and he missed 11. Walker real good 2018/2019. Will 2021 be like that or 2020 for him. Okudah rookie and injury struggle (groin, hamstring and shoulder), maybe he turns the big corner. We'll see. You can't write him off yet. He was a high draft propsect for a big reason. Hand solid player and can be good when healthy. Does he finally stay healthy in a contract year. Look at Okwaras contract year. Hock did really well, can he do even better. Hock can be a 1000 yard guy. Swift can do more. AO was solid at times. Could AO be good with a pass rush helping him. Can have some good players just from players on the roster getting healthy or playing better. Or they could be solid and help the team too. We'll see what the new GM does.

 

[LKP]

I wouldn't give Golladay close to 17m.

I know you hate him because he wore a Lions uniform and you ignored his previous production but that is the tag cost. And a tag gives them time until July to work out a deal. And gives the Lions time to find a replacement (an extra year really if they tag him). Also you could tag and trade too. Plus a new deal would lower that 17 million cap hit. There are benefits to tagging a good player like Golladay. But really depends on his injury. Some tags work, but then injury tags like Ansah backfire.

 

[LKP]

Tag Golladay, Devonta Smith, Hock, Swift, Stafford, same Oline but healthier (Decker, Jackson, Ragnow, Vaitai, Crosby). Innovative OC

Saleh head coach to get the most out of defense with adjustments.

Rounds 2-5 defense. Maybe trade back for extra pick too at some point. FA all defense too other than 17 mil for Golladay tag out of the potential 58 million in space

 

[Mitchrapp]

He's a good receiver but nothing awe inspiring. He's a deep threat but his catch rate isn't good at all. And since our QB is perfect it must be Golladay.

 

[tomdalton22]

LOL writing them off already. Before the changes are even made. This is why even if the Lions suck or fail or underachieve you are not right. You are saying they will fail before the changes happen.

here is how predictions work. If you predict something and it ends up happening, you are right. If you predict something and it doesn't happen, you are wrong.

I predicted that they will be under .500 regardless of how things go between now and the end of next season. I will either be right or wrong.

 

[tomdalton22]

He's a good receiver but nothing awe inspiring. He's a deep threat but his catch rate isn't good at all. And since our QB is perfect it must be Golladay.

I've only seen a few of his games but I heard he is really good. I thought they said he didn't have a single drop over the past 2 years??

According to this his catch rate is pretty high. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/devonta-smith/

another thing I heard about him is he really benefits from playing in an RPO scheme. He catches a lot of short slant type passes and has a ton of RAC yards.

Again...nothing that I saw first hand...just what I heard on the radio this week.

 

[LKP]

here is how predictions work. If you predict something and it ends up happening, you are right. If you predict something and it doesn't happen, you are wrong.

I predicted that they will be under .500 regardless of how things go between now and the end of next season. I will either be right or wrong.

Nope. You have to know why something will happen. You jist blindly say they will suck with little to no reasoning..you said they will suck before even knowing gm, coach or changes. It invalidates your prediction..plus ots like a math test. You have to show your work. You just said 4 because you hate numbers with no work..and thr amswer just happened to be 4 so you got really lucky what you said happened.

 

[tomdalton22]

Nope. You have to know why something will happen. You jist blindly say they will suck with little to no reasoning..you said they will suck before even knowing gm, coach or changes. It invalidates your prediction..plus ots like a math test. You have to show your work. You just said 4 because you hate numbers with no work..and thr amswer just happened to be 4 so you got really lucky what you said happened.

you want to know why? It's because I don't believe in the current ownership, leadership, starting QB, and they have almost no talent on the current roster. I believe that trying to add a bunch of free agents to a shitty team usually doesn't work.

That said, you are wrong about me having to "show my work" because I will admit I was wrong about my prediction if it ends up being wrong. I highhly doubt I'll be wrong though. I'd even go as far as betting you $50. I'll take under 8 wins and you get 8 or more. I'm sure you are too much of a pussy to bet me.

I live in the real world. You predict that the Lions would be SB contenders with a 10-12 win floor prior to last season, and you still think you were right. :lmao: You live in an alternate universe.

 

[mhughes0021]

here is how predictions work. If you predict something and it ends up happening, you are right. If you predict something and it doesn't happen, you are wrong.

I predicted that they will be under .500 regardless of how things go between now and the end of next season. I will either be right or wrong.

Heres how LKPs predictions work. He says something everyone on the planet knows isnt going to happen. Then he blames everything under the sun when his prediction doesnt happen.

 

[grandy]

$17M for a receiver with nagging lower body injuries who doesn’t get separation, seems like a Lions-type move.

 

[mhughes0021]

$17M for a receiver with nagging lower body injuries who doesn?t get separation, seems like a Lions-type move.

i wouldnt offer him more than 12 a year.