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Ngata may not be ready for week 1

That's only 28.5 million.


From Ngata perspective play out the year 8.5 million. Then get 4 Years 35 million + 15 million signing bonus (Cap going up in 2016) and get to chose your team.

28.5 base +10 million signing bonus. 30 million plus the 8.5 in salary this year.

Ngata gets 14.5 million this year instead of 8.5. Great for him. And a nice 6 million next year. Plus he gets security.

You missed the signing bonus.

And 35/4 is only 8.75 million a year. He gets more on my deal (10 per)
 
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Great, glad you figured out his deal. When do you and his agent meet?
 
28.5 base +10 million signing bonus. 30 million plus the 8.5 in salary this year.

Ngata gets 14.5 million this year instead of 8.5. Great for him. And a nice 6 million next year. Plus he gets security.

You missed the signing bonus.

And 35/4 is only 8.75 million a year. He gets more on my deal (10 per)

35 million base + 15 million salary. 50 million over 4 years, 12.5 average. That's if he has a good year this year. If he has a bad injury filled year he get's a lot less. So only reason for Ngata to sign now is if he doesn't think he would be healthy. If he thinks he can play, it's smarter for him to wait it out. There is no reason for Lions to sign him now.

Can probably close to 28 million over the next two years in cash. Better than your scenario where he only gets 20.
 
I'll let Mayhew and Lewand take care of it. Great guys for the job.

You sound almost as confident about this as you did the Suh signing in April of last year.
 
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35 million base + 15 million salary. 50 million over 4 years, 12.5 average. That's if he has a good year this year. If he has a bad injury filled year he get's a lot less. So only reason for Ngata to sign now is if he doesn't think he would be healthy. If he thinks he can play, it's smarter for him to wait it out. There is no reason for Lions to sign him now.

Can probably close to 28 million over the next two years in cash. Better than your scenario where he only gets 20.

LOL. You want to give a 32 year old DT in 2016 12.5 million per in new money. That is an overpay worse than Suh got.

7.5 cap hit still to cut him in 2018. That is insane.
 
You sound almost as confident about this as you did the Suh signing in April of last year.

Lewand and Mayhew gave a logical deal. I didn't realize how insane Suh was demanding 19 per season.
 
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Ngata gets an extra year of security on your deal at a hefty price for the Lions. My deal he gets a nice pay bump for 2015 and a good amount for 2016. If he plays well he gets 2017 money.

The 2016 base could change on my deal too. Maybe he gets 8 million instead of 6 base in year 2. So 22 million over 2 years.

Your deal he is assured to be a Lion in 2017 at 33 due to over 10 million cap hit to cut or trade.
 
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Ngata gets an extra year of security on your deal at a hefty price for the Lions. My deal he gets a nice pay bump for 2015 and a good amount for 2016. If he plays well he gets 2017 money.

The 2016 base could change on my deal too. Maybe he gets 8 million instead of 6 base in year 2.

Your deal he is assured to be a Lion in 2017 at 33 due to over 10 million cap hit to cut or trade.

I'm not saying the Lions should give it to him, I'm saying that is what he can get if he plays well and hits free agency. I'm saying from his perspective it is the smart thing to do. Someone will pay it with the cap going up so much.
 
I'm not saying the Lions should give it to him, I'm saying that is what he can get if he plays well and hits free agency. I'm saying from his perspective it is the smart thing to do. Someone will pay it with the cap going up so much.

He got 12 per in his prime. No way he gets 12 per at 32 in 2016. If he wants that, he's gone. Might as well franchise him. Tag of 12 per and then you don't have dead money in 2017.
 
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Lewand and Mayhew gave a logical deal. I didn't realize how insane Suh was demanding 19 per season.

He was smart because he knew he could get more. Not insane if you get it. Got it in a no personal income tax state too. More cash in his pocket.
 
He was smart because he knew he could get more. Not insane if you get it. Got it in a no personal income tax state too. More cash in his pocket.

Insane to need 19 per over 17 per when you already got 12 per. Suh is insane.
 
He got 12 per in his prime. No way he gets 12 per at 32 in 2016. If he wants that, he's gone. Might as well franchise him. Tag of 12 per and then you don't have dead money in 2017.

12 million when that was the high mark. 12 million when cap was 120 million. Cap in 2016 could be 160 million.

12 million in 2016 is like 9 million in 2011.
 
12 million when that was the high mark. 12 million when cap was 120 million. Cap in 2016 could be 160 million.

12 million in 2016 is like 9 million in 2011.

Kyle Williams just got 7.5 million at 32 THIS YEAR. No way Ngata gets 12 million at 32.
 
Kyle Williams just got 7.5 million at 32 THIS YEAR. No way Ngata gets 12 million at 32.

He got a 1 year 10.5 million dollar extension. Was scheduled to be a free agent after 2016, they gave him more money to make him happy because he is under paid at this time. So they are paying him 10.5 for his 34 year old season essentially. 12 million at 32 is reasonable if ngata plays well.
 
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He got a 1 year 10.5 million dollar extension. Was scheduled to be a free agent after 2016, they gave him more money to make him happy because he is under paid at this time. So they are paying him 10.5 for his 34 year old season essentially. 12 million at 32 is reasonable if ngata plays well.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/kyle-williams/

7.5 per for a 32 year old. 10 per is more reasonable for Ngata.

They are not paying him 10.5 million at 34. That is incredibly wrong. He got a 4.5 signing bonus this year.
 
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Ngata at 10 per now is way more reasonable and smart for both parties now. 12 per at 32 is an overpay. Like I said, might as well franchise him if you are giving him 12 per at 32. Avoid the dead money in 2017 or 2018.
 
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/kyle-williams/

7.5 per for a 32 year old. 10 per is more reasonable for Ngata.

They are not paying him 10.5 million at 34. That is incredibly wrong

This is the problem you don't understand contracts.


He was under contract through 2016.
2015: 4.8M Base + (950k signing + 500k Roster + 150k Misc) = 6.4M cap hit
2016: 7M Base = 7M cap hit

They signed him to a 10.5 million contract extension for 2017 then they restructured it all into the current deal:

2015: 4.5M Base (2.45M signing Bonus) 6.95M Cap hit
2016: 6M Base (1.5M Signing + 500k Roster) 8M Cap hit
2017: 6.3M Base (1.5M Signing + 1.5M Roster) 9.3M Cap hit


They could of had him for the next two years (2015 & 2016) For a less cap hit then they do now.

Williams got 9 million in cash in 2015 (As opposed to 4.5M) and got another year. Grand total he will get 10.5 million more for 1 extra year (his age 34 season)

Its not like he was a free agent and signed for 3 years. he was already under team control for 2. They threw an extra 10.5 million at him for one more year of service.
 
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Ngata at 10 per now is way more reasonable and smart for both parties now. 12 per at 32 is an overpay. Like I said, might as well franchise him if you are giving him 12 per at 32. Avoid the dead money in 2017 or 2018.

Which is what I originally said we should do if he plays well this year. That is the smartest option for the Lions.
 
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