No tampering found

[LKP]

My only issue had only ever been. ...they looked into it less cause we didnt make a big deal about it. I have raging lunatics going of the deep end cause i said that lmao....its hysterical. How am i a "liar" because i have that opinion? Did mayhew cause a public stink about it? No....so i was right.

Patriots didn't make a public stink about it.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Bad publicity that you can prove. Such as the Rice tape then getting a full year suspension.

NFL looked into it and couldn't prove Suh was tampered with.

This is skirting around the issue, though. The NFL had the tape already, and at best there was nothing standing in the way of any modest investigation turning it up. The NFL made a lenient ruling because it wasn't a big deal to the media, even though the evidence was right in front of them. NFL changes it's ruling only because it got caught red-handed for not actually investigating or applying appropriate punishment.

The Suh situation could very well be the same. There is blatant evidence (contract details released prior to the open negotiation period) that is being ignored or actively not researched (just like the Rice tape). If the media were to suddenly turn the glare on the obvious tampering that goes on (likely with regularity) in the NFL, suddenly there would be more thorough investigations and heavier penalties.

The NFL is not a proactive league. Most large, successful institutions aren't. The fact is, they don't want anything to change. They don't want to spend money on investigations, pensions, health research, or even proper referees. It's only when they think these things could hurt their bottom line (media driving away fans) that they do much of anything. Honestly, would the NFL even be testing for PEDs if it weren't for the cultural taboo over them?

 

[LKP]

The money came out during the window. that is not tampering. And if it is, tons of teams tampered since there has been the 3 day window.

Mayhew did nothing wrong. He was correct not to make a stink about it.

 

[LKP]

This is skirting around the issue, though. The NFL had the tape already, and at best there was nothing standing in the way of any modest investigation turning it up. The NFL made a lenient ruling because it wasn't a big deal to the media, even though the evidence was right in front of them. NFL changes it's ruling only because it got caught red-handed for not actually investigating or applying appropriate punishment.

The Suh situation could very well be the same. There is blatant evidence (contract details released prior to the open negotiation period) that is being ignored or actively not researched (just like the Rice tape). If the media were to suddenly turn the glare on the obvious tampering that goes on (likely with regularity) in the NFL, suddenly there would be more thorough investigations and heavier penalties.

The NFL is not a proactive league. Most large, successful institutions aren't. The fact is, they don't want anything to change. They don't want to spend money on investigations, pensions, health research, or even proper referees. It's only when they think these things could hurt their bottom line (media driving away fans) that they do much of anything. Honestly, would the NFL even be testing for PEDs if it weren't for the cultural taboo over them?

Contract details were not released before the 3 day window. That is where you are wrong.

 

[LKP]

And tampering results in a Dolphins fine. Who the fuck cares about Mayhew pursuing that. We wern't getting picks.

 

[mhughes0021]

This is skirting around the issue, though. The NFL had the tape already, and at best there was nothing standing in the way of any modest investigation turning it up. The NFL made a lenient ruling because it wasn't a big deal to the media, even though the evidence was right in front of them. NFL changes it's ruling only because it got caught red-handed for not actually investigating or applying appropriate punishment.

The Suh situation could very well be the same. There is blatant evidence (contract details released prior to the open negotiation period) that is being ignored or actively not researched (just like the Rice tape). If the media were to suddenly turn the glare on the obvious tampering that goes on (likely with regularity) in the NFL, suddenly there would be more thorough investigations and heavier penalties.

The NFL is not a proactive league. Most large, successful institutions aren't. The fact is, they don't want anything to change. They don't want to spend money on investigations, pensions, health research, or even proper referees. It's only when they think these things could hurt their bottom line (media driving away fans) that they do much of anything. Honestly, would the NFL even be testing for PEDs if it weren't for the cultural taboo over them?

thank you for putting so eloquently what ive been trying to say....but I say it in a dickhead way so ppl just disagree with it lol. The fact we have text messages about who the fuck inflates and deflates footballs. And we have no such knowledge of texts/conversations in this suh situation is a fucking disgrace to football. You said it perfectly....the reason we don't have a full tilt investigation is because no one cares. And in my OPINION that's because of our fearless leader not forcing the issue. Mortenson broke the news early....you get his texts, his conversations and his sources if you really want answers. None of that was done....I guarantee it. And you know what...if mortenson fails to comply....you ban him from locker rooms just like youre doing to brady for failing to help an investigation. This should be taken more seriously than a fucking football PSI. And im not just saying that cause im a lions fan....its clearly a more critical rule to uphold. Want prove...watch indy in the 2nd half with a fully inflated ball.

 

[LKP]

thank you for putting so eloquently what ive been trying to say....but I say it in a dickhead way so ppl just disagree with it lol. The fact we have text messages about who the fuck inflates and deflates footballs. And we have no such knowledge of texts/conversations in this suh situation is a fucking disgrace to football. You said it perfectly....the reason we don't have a full tilt investigation is because no one cares. And in my OPINION that's because of our fearless leader not forcing the issue. Mortenson broke the news early....you get his texts, his conversations and his sources if you really want answers. None of that was done....I guarantee it. And you know what...if mortenson fails to comply....you ban him from locker rooms just like youre doing to brady for failing to help an investigation. This should be taken more seriously than a fucking football PSI. And im not just saying that cause im a lions fan....its clearly a more critical rule to uphold. Want prove...watch indy in the 2nd half with a fully inflated ball.

The contract details did not come out before the window. There was no proven tampering. And if there was, Dolphins just get fined. Detroit gets no benefit.

 

[mhughes0021]

The contract details did not come out before the window. There was no proven tampering. And if there was, Dolphins just get fined. Detroit gets no benefit.

exact contract details coming out 3 days prior to FA would go against the below:

NFL free agents are permitted to officially sign with other teams Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET, but a three-day negotiating period began Saturday during which teams could start exchanging written summaries of their pitches to agents for players on other teams. Teams can negotiate based on an agent's response but are not permitted to describe their pitches as offers.

Teams also are not permitted to agree to contracts with players on other teams during the negotiating period.

The NFL reminded all 32 teams of the rules for the negotiating period in a memo it sent Friday, a copy of which was obtained by Pro Football Talk.

"You are reminded that the purpose of the three-day negotiating period is to create a level playing field in the competition for Unrestricted Free Agents, by permitting clubs to express interest in a prospective UFA and to exchange information with certified agents regarding the level of compensation envisioned by the club and the agent," the NFL wrote in the memo, according to the website. "Any attempt to undermine the purpose of this negotiating period may be considered conduct detrimental to the League."

 

[brewer229]

The contract details did not come out before the window. There was no proven tampering. And if there was, Dolphins just get fined. Detroit gets no benefit.

Other teams benefited from the team that tampered, here are the first two hits on Google dealing with tampering:

When 49ers tampered with Briggs:
Goodell also determined the teams will switch picks in the third round of the April 26-27 draft. Chicago, which had the 12th pick, will get San Francisco's seventh pick and the 49ers will get Chicago's choice.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-49ers-of-fifthround-draft-pick-for-tampering


When Lions tampered with Chiefs:

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the league has nailed the Lions for tampering with Chiefs players. The Lions will lose a seventh-round pick acquired from the Broncos in 2011, and the Chiefs and Lions will swap fifth-round picks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/18/league-finds-lions-guilty-of-tampering/

 

[LKP]

Other teams benefited from the team that tampered, here are the first two hits on Google dealing with tampering:

When 49ers tampered with Briggs:
Goodell also determined the teams will switch picks in the third round of the April 26-27 draft. Chicago, which had the 12th pick, will get San Francisco's seventh pick and the 49ers will get Chicago's choice.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-49ers-of-fifthround-draft-pick-for-tampering


When Lions tampered with Chiefs:

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the league has nailed the Lions for tampering with Chiefs players. The Lions will lose a seventh-round pick acquired from the Broncos in 2011, and the Chiefs and Lions will swap fifth-round picks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/18/league-finds-lions-guilty-of-tampering/

That's not how they deal with tampering anymore. It's a fine. See the Jets.

 

[LKP]

exact contract details coming out 3 days prior to FA would go against the below:

NFL free agents are permitted to officially sign with other teams Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET, but a three-day negotiating period began Saturday during which teams could start exchanging written summaries of their pitches to agents for players on other teams. Teams can negotiate based on an agent's response but are not permitted to describe their pitches as offers.

Teams also are not permitted to agree to contracts with players on other teams during the negotiating period.

The NFL reminded all 32 teams of the rules for the negotiating period in a memo it sent Friday, a copy of which was obtained by Pro Football Talk.

"You are reminded that the purpose of the three-day negotiating period is to create a level playing field in the competition for Unrestricted Free Agents, by permitting clubs to express interest in a prospective UFA and to exchange information with certified agents regarding the level of compensation envisioned by the club and the agent," the NFL wrote in the memo, according to the website. "Any attempt to undermine the purpose of this negotiating period may be considered conduct detrimental to the League."

It was Sunday. Within the three day window. FA started on Tuesday. Everyone has contract talks those days. It was not tampering.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Bottom line, Mayhew didn't have do a thing for there to be an investigation but it sure would have helped if he put up a stink.

 

[LKP]

Bottom line, Mayhew didn't have do a thing for there to be an investigation but it sure would have helped if he put up a stink.

To me that is Tom Lewand's job. He is the contract guy after all.

 

[Mitchrapp]

To me that is Tom Lewand's job. He is the contract guy after all.

Who cares who's job it is..associated with the Lions.

 

[LKP]

Who cares who's job it is..associated with the Lions.

Lions didn't screw up.

 

[inkfreq]

Bottom line, Mayhew didn't have do a thing for there to be an investigation but it sure would have helped if he put up a stink.

Mayhew maintained professionalism. You don't throw a public shit fit when the league is already looking into it anyway.

You act like a respected man not a teenager pissed about a post on Facebook.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mayhew maintained professionalism. You don't throw a public shit fit when the league is already looking into it anyway.

You act like a respected man not a teenager pissed about a post on Facebook.

Sometimes it's worth making a shit fit. GM's do it all the time. Plus, with Detroit and there history they are one team who needs to act like that once in a while.

 

[kdp1980]

Sometimes it's worth making a shit fit. GM's do it all the time. Plus, with Detroit and there history they are one team who needs to act like that once in a while.

I completely agree. I'd respect them alot more if they actually raised hell about this. Imo, this organization seems like a bunch of pushovers.

 

[inkfreq]

Sometimes it's worth making a shit fit. GM's do it all the time. Plus, with Detroit and there history they are one team who needs to act like that once in a while.

No, they are a team that can't afford to do that. In his time as a GM, Mayhew has been the most active trading GM in the league. You don't burn bridges with the people you need to work with (even if you also work against them) for some public display of "hissy-ness".

The NFL opened the investigation. Mayhew kept his mouth shut and maintained a professional working relationship with his peers.

I'd be very disappointed in him if he had done any differently.

 

[cheeno]

Mayhew maintained professionalism. You don't throw a public shit fit when the league is already looking into it anyway.

You act like a respected man not a teenager pissed about a post on Facebook.

I'd rather be the Patriots with 4 Super Bowls telling everyone 'deflator' means weight loss than Mr. Nice Guy, but that's just me.