Odell Beckham Jr. at 10?

[mhughes0021]

I would rather have Staff than any of the rookies in this class. They havnt proven shit yet. Lets see what Staff can do with this new OC and QB coach. If we were to draft Manziel I am finding a new team. I want to see Suh break him in half.

what exactly has Stafford proven? The first 2 years he was injured. His career completion % is shit. He shit the bed the last 2 consecutive years with 2nd half implosions. The only thing hes proven is when you throw the ball an absurd amount of times...you can throw for a lot of yards.....and how to lose a lot of games.

 

[lgolfer]

I would rather have Staff than any of the rookies in this class. They havnt proven shit yet. Lets see what Staff can do with this new OC and QB coach. If we were to draft Manziel I am finding a new team. I want to see Suh break him in half.

Completely agree.

 

[wheels002]

I think sometimes you guys forget how bad our QB play was before Staff. I will take him over the previous 10 QB's we had. There is no way to know that any of the top guys will be better than Staff can be.

 

[mhughes0021]

I think sometimes you guys forget how bad our QB play was before Staff. I will take him over the previous 10 QB's we had. There is no way to know that any of the top guys will be better than Staff can be.

but I do know that they wont be making nearly 100 million dollars to continue to add to the losing tradition that is known as the lions. How long are we going to continue to give the excuses that "hes developing" or "he needs more around him" or or or or or. The answer isn't much longer...I can guarantee that. If he shits the bed again this year there better be some contingency plans being prepared.

 

[tomdalton22]

I think sometimes you guys forget how bad our QB play was before Staff. I will take him over the previous 10 QB's we had. There is no way to know that any of the top guys will be better than Staff can be.

Stafford has had the best WR in the NFL on his team since day one and he has been just above average. I don't think any of us have forgotten how shitty the past 10 QBs have been...but having a slightly above average QB doesn't make the here and now any better.

 

[mhughes0021]

min just said they wont pick up ponders option. Hes got a similar completion percentage as Stafford and a similar record. He only makes 1.2 mil a year. Our guy makes 20 mil a year and we extend him what seems like every year.....

so are we saying min has had a better roster than ours? cause something isn't adding up. If our roster is superior to theirs and our qb is superior to theirs....then why the fuck do we lose just as much as they do?

 

[mhughes0021]

...but having a slightly above average QB doesn't make the here and now any better.

which id be fine with if he wasn't handicapping this team with his astronomical salary. Hes a 7-10 mil a year type guy....making easily double that.

 

[tomdalton22]

which id be fine with if he wasn't handicapping this team with his astronomical salary. Hes a 7-10 mil a year type guy....making easily double that.

you and me both. You can win with a QB that is slightly above average...if he is smart, doesn't turn the ball over, he makes what he is worth and you have a complete team to go with him. Unfortunately, Stafford makes poor decisions, makes too much money, turns the ball over too much and partially due to his huge salary the team around him is not great.

 

[jdeb]

I think sometimes you guys forget how bad our QB play was before Staff. I will take him over the previous 10 QB's we had. There is no way to know that any of the top guys will be better than Staff can be.

I hate that statement. The game is totally different now. The new age QB is highly intelligent and has impeccable techniques. Wilson is an excellent example. We have always settled as fans. Stafford is not the answer.

If we could move him, Tom Savage would fit.

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[lgolfer]

I hate that statement. The game is totally different now. The new age QB is highly intelligent and has impeccable techniques. Wilson is an excellent example. We have always settled as fans. Stafford is not the answer.

If we could move him, Tom Savage would fit.

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"The new age QB is highly intelligent and has impeccable techniques." That's a joke. This is a list of starting QBs taken since the 2011 draft: Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Andrew Luck, Ryan Tannehill, RGIII, Geno Smith, Nick Foles, Colin Kaepernick, and Russell Wilson.

You're trying to tell me that all those guys are highly intelligent and have impeccable technique??? On that the list the only QBs I'd consider picking over Stafford are Luck, Foles, and Wilson. And then you say Tom Savage would be a better option than Stafford. Lol

I do want the Lions to take a QB somewhere in rounds 4-7 because I think it'd be smart to have a backup plan in case Stafford has a bad 2014 and the Lions decide to go another direction. But saying you'd rather move Stafford and have Savage (who's likely at best a 3rd round pick) start is ludicrous!

 

[Mitchrapp]

I hate when they restructure because of one fuckin' year..they should have waited.

 

[mhughes0021]

"The new age QB is highly intelligent and has impeccable techniques." That's a joke. This is a list of starting QBs taken since the 2011 draft: Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Andrew Luck, Ryan Tannehill, RGIII, Geno Smith, Nick Foles, Colin Kaepernick, and Russell Wilson.

You're trying to tell me that all those guys are highly intelligent and have impeccable technique??? On that the list the only QBs I'd consider picking over Stafford are Luck, Foles, and Wilson.

I dunno about intelligent...but all of those guys minus Geno and Tannehill have had early success in the league. More early success than Stafford had. Id take all of them over staff except geno and tannehill..... salary has a lot to do with that decision.

 

[lgolfer]

I hate when they restructure because of one fuckin' year..they should have waited.

To be clear, I think you meant extend him, but I agree with you. It would've been nice if they had waited a little longer before deciding to extend him. With the restructuring and extension, his cap number is too high based on how he's played the last 2 years. I'm almost positive he'll improve this year though with Golden Tate and the new coaches. The question will be will he improve enough to justify his cap number?

 

[Mitchrapp]

To be clear, I think you meant extend him, but I agree with you. It would've been nice if they had waited a little longer before deciding to extend him. With the restructuring and extension, his cap number is too high based on how he's played the last 2 years. I'm almost positive he'll improve this year though with Golden Tate and the new coaches. The question will be will he improve enough to justify his cap number?

Yes. It's the same how I felt about Jim Shorts. No reason to extend after one decent year.

 

[lgolfer]

I dunno about intelligent...but all of those guys minus Geno and Tannehill have had early success in the league. More early success than Stafford had. Id take all of them over staff except geno and tannehill..... salary has a lot to do with that decision.

When you factor in their current cap hits and their performance the last year or two, I'd take Luck, Foles, Wilson, and probably Kaepernick. Cam Newton would be pretty iffy and there's no way I'd take Dalton over Stafford.

 

[lgolfer]

Yes. It's the same how I felt about Jim Shorts. No reason to extend after one decent year.

In retrospect it was obviously a bad decision. At the time, it wasn't as clear. He took over the only team to go 0-16 and proceeded to go 2-12, 6-10, and 10-6. That's pretty good improvement, especially when you consider the fact that the 10-6 year was the first time the Lions made the playoffs in 12 years.

As an owner, you usually want to reward your employee when they perform better than any employee you've had for more than a decade. In the end though, it maybe bought him one extra year and his contract has nothing to do with our cap. So it probably wasn't the best decision, but I don't think it was as clear as we make it out to be.

 

[Mitchrapp]

In retrospect it was obviously a bad decision. At the time, it wasn't as clear. He took over the only team to go 0-16 and proceeded to go 2-12, 6-10, and 10-6. That's pretty good improvement, especially when you consider the fact that the 10-6 year was the first time the Lions made the playoffs in 12 years.

As an owner, you usually want to reward your employee when they perform better than any employee you've had for more than a decade. In the end though, it maybe bought him one extra year and his contract has nothing to do with our cap. So it probably wasn't the best decision, but I don't think it was as clear as we make it out to be.

How often does a HC leave on his own accord? Probably not much..so there was no way Shorts was going to look elsewhere because he was on his last year. You could have waited until the end of his last season. Infact you could have waiting until after his last game under contract..he's a HC - they don't go anyway.

 

[mhughes0021]

When you factor in their current cap hits and their performance the last year or two, I'd take Luck, Foles, Wilson, and probably Kaepernick. Cam Newton would be pretty iffy and there's no way I'd take Dalton over Stafford.

yet Dalton has led his team to multiple playoff appearances in a tougher division. And makes a shit ton less money...

 

[tonyballs]

yet Dalton has led his team to multiple playoff appearances in a tougher division. And makes a shit ton less money...

Not for long...

 

[jdeb]

"The new age QB is highly intelligent and has impeccable techniques." That's a joke. This is a list of starting QBs taken since the 2011 draft: Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Andrew Luck, Ryan Tannehill, RGIII, Geno Smith, Nick Foles, Colin Kaepernick, and Russell Wilson.

You're trying to tell me that all those guys are highly intelligent and have impeccable technique??? On that the list the only QBs I'd consider picking over Stafford are Luck, Foles, and Wilson. And then you say Tom Savage would be a better option than Stafford. Lol

I do want the Lions to take a QB somewhere in rounds 4-7 because I think it'd be smart to have a backup plan in case Stafford has a bad 2014 and the Lions decide to go another direction. But saying you'd rather move Stafford and have Savage (who's likely at best a 3rd round pick) start is ludicrous!

Luck, Foles, Kapernick, and Wilson have much better upside, technique, and intelligence than Stafford. All of them are a hell of a lot smaller cap hit as well. Would I want Savage over Stafford? Why not? Neither one has done any thing and Savage is a miniscule cap hit comparatively. This team is not going to make the playoffs anyway, so why not stop the bleeding now if someone is willing to take on Stafford's cap hit? Savage is going to be a sleeper pick. Who ever gets him has something to work with and can feel comfortable running him out there in a short period of time.