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Official 2019 Draft

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019...ed-out-to-welcome-t-j-hockenson-to-the-lions/
Matthew Stafford already reached out to welcome T.J. Hockenson to the Lions.
LionsWire

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2019/04/26/nfl-draft-tj-hockenson-bob-quinn/3584846002/
Detroit Lions' Bob Quinn on T.J. Hockenson: He checked every box.
Freep

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...tj-hockenson-eric-ebron-tight-end/3584520002/
Detroit Lions' T.J. Hockenson unfazed by high draft status, Eric Ebron comparisons.
Freep

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/04/repeat-after-me-tj-hockenson-is-not-eric-ebron.html
Repeat after me: T.J. Hockenson is not Eric Ebron.
Mlive
 
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https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...best-players-remaining-for-the-lions-on-day-2
2019 NFL Draft: Best players remaining for the Lions on Day 2.
A look at some of the top players remaining heading into Day 2 of the draft.
POD

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/26/11-cb-and-ol-the-lions-should-consider-with-pick-43/
11 CB and OL the Lions should consider with pick 43.
LionsWire

https://www.detroitlions.com/news/twentyman-10-prospects-who-could-interest-lions-on-day-2
10 prospects who could interest Lions on Day 2.
Lions.com

https://sidelionreport.com/2019/04/26/detroit-lions-2019-nfl-draft-day-two/
Detroit Lions 2019 NFL Draft: Who will be the Day Two picks?
SLR

https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...ould-see-the-pass-catchers-fly-of-the-shelves
Day 2 of the 2019 NFL Draft should see the pass-catchers fly of the shelves.
PFF

https://expo.mlive.com/sports/g66l-...fit-the-lions-on-day-2-of-nfl-draft-2019.html
Here are 15 prospects who could fit the Lions on Day 2 of NFL Draft 2019.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/04...2-lions-target-db-with-second-round-pick.html
NFL mock drafts, Day 2: Lions target DB with second-round pick.
Mlive
 
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We understand hes not Ebron...theres 0% chance he scores 13 TDs this year. Which is even more of a reason he shouldnt have been picked at 8.
 
Last night they quoted a famous Gm, think it might have been Polian if I remember, who said "If you draft for need, you get fired".

We still have plenty of cap room, June cap cuts, possible trades, etc.... to fill temporary holes. What they needed to do, and need to continue to do, was draft the players they felt the best about drafting.

You don't want a team full of the wrong guys just because you had holes during draft week. six or seven years from now you want to be able to look at your roster and say "These are the guys I drafted, and it worked out well".

Will it? I don't know. But I know for sure it won't if you pick guys that you have concerns about just to plug a spot.

a famous detroitsportsforum poster once said "if you dont draft for need....then you fucking start Christian Jones."

That being said heres how we can fill some needs on day 2 (Best Avail):

WR: Deebo Samuel, DK Metcalk, AJ Brown
OL: Cody Ford, Dalton Risner, Greg Little
OLB: Jaylon Ferguson, Chase Winovich, Jachai Polite
ILB: Mack Wilson, Tre Lamar, TJ Edwards
CB: Greedy, Murphy, Layne, Ya-Sin
 
Jesse James isn't that great, so I don't know if the need was necessarily "filled". This now also gives them the opportunity to run 2 TE sets. They go from a team devoid of TE talent to one of the best, I'm at least a little bit excited. Despite being a 4-year contract, they could easily cut James after 2020...and after seeing the contracts that guys like Uzomah and Kroft received this off-season, it's more or less the market rate now for what seems to be a pretty bad market - if you don't already have a good TE you probably aren't getting one outside the draft.

I actually think the biggest threat to Hockenson's career is the Lions, I think he'll be valuable on his own but whether the Lions truly realize that value is anyone's guess. I'd say there's definitely more promise under Bevell than there would've been under Cooter.

While I understand the question of TE's value at #8, a dual threat TE like Hockenson should see as many snaps, if not more, than anyone else they could've drafted and he should have an impact on nearly every play.
 
Jesse James isn't that great, so I don't know if the need was necessarily "filled". This now also gives them the opportunity to run 2 TE sets. They go from a team devoid of TE talent to one of the best, I'm at least a little bit excited. Despite being a 4-year contract, they could easily cut James after 2020...and after seeing the contracts that guys like Uzomah and Kroft received this off-season, it's more or less the market rate now for what seems to be a pretty bad market - if you don't already have a good TE you probably aren't getting one outside the draft..

Regardless of the pick, I agree with Grandy here. We signed Jessie James and literally everyone talks about his blocking, and how his pass catching isn't that great, blah blah blah...

But then we draft a complete tight end who can catch, block, finish blocks... and everyone says "that hole was already filled!"... well.. no, obviously it wasn't.

It was entirely obvious from DAY ONE that the Lions were not high enough on Jessie James to think of his as the #1 TE on this roster. Which means the hole was not filled by any means.

Now, you can hate the pick of a TE at #8. You can think whatever you want about that. But there's no way anyone can argue with any degree of intelligence that this team felt Jessie James was the complete tight end that was the solution to all of our problems and we didn't need another.

Tight End was litally listed as our #1 need on most pre-draft sites, followed by CB and DE.
 
a famous detroitsportsforum poster once said "if you dont draft for need....then you fucking start Christian Jones."

That being said heres how we can fill some needs on day 2 (Best Avail):

WR: Deebo Samuel, DK Metcalk, AJ Brown
OL: Cody Ford, Dalton Risner, Greg Little
OLB: Jaylon Ferguson, Chase Winovich, Jachai Polite
ILB: Mack Wilson, Tre Lamar, TJ Edwards
CB: Greedy, Murphy, Layne, Ya-Sin

But that's exactly the point. The draft isn't finished. Round 2 and 3 haven't even started. There is not one reason to think Christian Jones may be starting for us again. Although I'm hoping for a CB in round 2. Greedy, Murphy, Ya-Sin... all were thought of as first round talent and many sites had Greedy going Top 10 (mostly to us at #8).. so go shore that up.

Force the Qb to hold on to the ball a little longer and the pass rush improves with it.
 
Pasting the majority of the article since the site has a paywall (worth it, btw).

The Lions get T.J. Hockenson, and a chance for a new narrative at tight end

It’s​ not going​ to be​ fair​ to T.J.​ Hockenson or,​ to​ a lesser extent,​ Bob Quinn,​ but​ the Lions’ pick​ of​​ Hockenson at No. 8 Thursday night is destined to be framed by what came before it, and what came after.

The former casts the shadow of Eric Ebron, the top-10 tight end Detroit selected back in 2014, only to leave the likes of Odell Beckham Jr. and Aaron Donald on the board. Ebron wasn’t as bad as local lore will forever tell, but he certainly did not play up to a level that justified the team’s faith in him or its decision to bypass Donald.

This year, the top of Round 1 fell almost exactly as the Lions should have wanted it to — a pair of quarterbacks in picks 1-6 (Kyler Murray and Daniel Jones), an absolute stunner at 4 (Clelin Ferrell to the Raiders) and a laundry list of premium options sitting there at No. 8. Among them were Ed Oliver, Devin Bush and Jonah Williams, all considered potential Lions picks. Those were the next three players off the board.

So, through no doing of his own, Hockenson will arrive in Detroit with pressure built-in. Fans will be quick to recall the Ebron flop and they’ll likely keep one eye cast on the players drafted after Hockenson, for point of comparison.

“In all due respect to the fans out there, I can’t take the fan sentiment into who I draft and who I sign for this team,” Quinn said at his pre-draft news conference. “I wasn’t the person who drafted Eric, so I think it’s a completely different … two different conversations.”

Complicating matters further is that, according to both ESPN’s Adam Schefter and the NFL Network’s Gil Brandt, the Lions fielded calls for their No. 8 pick on Thursday night. Brandt declared Quinn had “good offers” on the table. And leading up to the draft, Quinn had said the Lions were “open for business.” Sources told The Athletic earlier in the week that Detroit preferred to move back and add extra picks.

It appears now that the contingency plan may have been Hockenson’s availability. The Jaguars, picking at No. 7, had been heavily linked to the Iowa tight end. But they also benefited from the chaos above them, with Kentucky edge rusher Josh Allen falling into their lap.

When Hockenson was there, the Lions decided to stay put and take their guy.


Once everyone gets beyond all the hysterics that come with draft night (and with this pick in particular), the move certainly fits with what the Lions have been trying to build. In Hockenson, the Lions added an ultra-athletic player who should help them run the football and could be the middle-of-the-field, up-the-seam threat that didn’t really exist on the roster beforehand.

From The Atheletic’s draft guru, Dane Brugler: “Hockenson has a complete skill set for the position with outstanding athleticism, pass-catching traits and blocking skills, projecting as an immediate NFL starter with Pro Bowl potential.”

His addition comes on the heels of Detroit signing ex-Steeler Jesse James to a five-year, $22.6 million deal. Hockenson doesn’t do anything to shift James’ role — the organization still views him as a proven inline blocker and an ascending pass-catching threat. During a recent sit-down interview, Lions VP of player personnel Kyle O’Brien said that James has “grown into his frame, he’s gotten significantly bigger. And his game, to his credit, not only has his body evolved but his game has evolved as well. He’s a guy where literally you can kind of see the grades on a steady increment.”

The theory moving forward will be that Hockenson and James together can form a versatile, potentially dominant 1-2 punch.

“Put ’em on the field together,” Quinn said at the end of Day 1. “Two really good tight ends, probably a lot of 12 personnel. … I think that’s something that our offense can really work through, and I think we can be very multiple. We can switch to 11 personnel and have Danny (Amendola) out there with our receivers, then pick your poison as to which tight end you want to put out on the field. …


“It’s going to give us a lot of versatility to do a lot of different things on offense, that’s one of the things that kept pointing us back to T.J.”

Again, this is a spot for caution when comparing to the past: The Lions aren’t trying to recreate the Rob Gronkowski-Aaron Hernandez duo that helped New England carry on its dynasty. Gronk just retired as one of the game’s all-time greats at his position.

Still, Matt Patricia and his staff are well aware of what that type of presence can do. Last year, his offense ran 12 personnel (one back, two tight ends) about 12 percent of the time. His new offensive coordinator, Darrell Bevell, rolled with it on closer to 15 percent of snaps during 2017, his final year with Seattle.

As the defenses have had to get lighter and quicker as NFL offenses have opened up, there’s been an increasing opportunity to counter with a more physical look up front. Bank on seeing Hockenson and James on the field together a ton. Patricia wants his team to impose its will via the ground game.

“There’s a lot of plays on tape where you’re watching this guy and he’s blocking somebody, and all of a sudden you can’t see him anymore on the tape because he’s got his guy over on the sideline, he’s dumping him on the bench,” Patricia said on Thursday night. “Just a tenacious guy, a tough guy. A blue-collar, hard worker and that’s really what we’re all about. He’s a real tough guy to tackle, does a good job of turning small plays into big plays. Gets the ball vertical on the defense. He’s just another threat out there.”

How much the Lions then lean on Hockenson in the passing game could depend on how quickly he gets up to speed. Tight ends have faced a notoriously difficult transition to the NFL, but that stigma has lessened some as offenses have grown more creative in feeding that position. Hockenson’s predecessor at Iowa, George Kittle, just posted 88 receptions for 1,377 yards in his second NFL season.
 
Regardless of the pick, I agree with Grandy here. We signed Jessie James and literally everyone talks about his blocking, and how his pass catching isn't that great, blah blah blah...

But then we draft a complete tight end who can catch, block, finish blocks... and everyone says "that hole was already filled!"... well.. no, obviously it wasn't.

It was entirely obvious from DAY ONE that the Lions were not high enough on Jessie James to think of his as the #1 TE on this roster. Which means the hole was not filled by any means.

Now, you can hate the pick of a TE at #8. You can think whatever you want about that. But there's no way anyone can argue with any degree of intelligence that this team felt Jessie James was the complete tight end that was the solution to all of our problems and we didn't need another.

Tight End was litally listed as our #1 need on most pre-draft sites, followed by CB and DE.
I don't believe he's a complete player. If he is he becomes Gronk. I don't see it.
 
I don't believe he's a complete player. If he is he becomes Gronk. I don't see it.

Bad comparison/wish... Gronk was actually not a great blocker. He could get the initial block (mostly chipping).. but he could never finish one.

He was a receiver.
 
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Bad comparison/wish... Gronk was actually not a great blocker. He could get the initial block (mostly chipping).. but he could never finish one.

He was a receiver.


So we drafted a better Gronk? All I remember is when Petti was considered a great blocker.
 
So we drafted a better Gronk? All I remember is when Petti was considered a great blocker.

Depending on your point of view, Gronk was the best tight end ever, or he was in the top 5 or so.

I personally rank him #3 behind Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates.

Am I saying we got a better Gronk? Shit, I hope so.. who doesn't?.... but no, I am not saying that at all.

I am saying Gronk was a receiving machine, but he was a terrible blocker, and when it came to getting physical and finishing blocks and pancaking guys.. well.. he got hurt a lot, and I don't think he was capable of doing it much.

Honestly (it pains me to even think this) I think Pettigrew was a better blocker than Gronk. (gimme a sec, have to brush my teeth after saying that).....

(back)... Gronk was a guy, when healthy, that could get you 17 TDs because he was impossible to stop in the red zone. I have no reason to believe Hockenson is that guy or will become that guy... but no one had any reason to believe that with Gronk either.
 
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Not to try and compare but I will anyway.. Gronk faster, arm length, bigger hands etc.
 
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I think the key to drafting Hockenson is in what sggatecl posted in post 270 and the 12 personnel. With both Hockenson and James in that scheme, the Lions will have 7 blockers at the line. From all I have read about Bevell using this,
the Lions will be close to unstoppable in this set up. It is what they want from their tight ends Block, and catch.
 
https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/04...om-as-they-made-the-call-to-tj-hockenson.html
NFL draft 2019: Take a look inside the Lions’ war room as they make the call to T.J. Hockenson.
Mlive

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/4/26/18518220/nfl-draft-grades-2019-tj-hockenson-detroit-lions
Grading the Detroit Lions’ first-round pick: T.J. Hockenson.
T.J. Hockenson is the best tight end in the draft, but was he good enough to warrant the eight overall pick?
POD

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...ectacular-grades-first-round-pick/3587043002/
Experts give Lions solid, if not spectacular grades for first-round pick.
Detnews

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...end-worthy-top-10-pick-nfl-draft-tj-hockenson
Is a tight end worth a top-10 pick?
We do a deep statistical analysis to see if the Lions made the right decision with Hockenson.
POD

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/4/26/18518132/detroit-lions-nfl-draft-reactions-tj-hockenson
Detroit Lions players react to selection of T.J. Hockenson: ‘The squad got better tonight’.
Check out how Lions fans reacted to the T.J. Hockenson pick.
POD

https://sidelionreport.com/2019/04/26/detroit-lions-t-j-hockenson-eric-ebron-criticism/
Detroit Lions: T.J. Hockenson will face Eric Ebron-level criticism.
SLR
 
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https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/04...-conversations-about-trading-up-on-day-2.html
NFL draft 2019: Lions having conversations about trading up on Day 2.
Mlive

https://www.detroitlions.com/news/mock-draft-watch-second-and-third-rounds
MOCK DRAFT WATCH: Second and third rounds.
Lions.com

Nasir Adderley is the cousin of former Packer and HOF cornerback Herb Adderley.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...nfl-draft-is-loaded-with-talent-at-cornerback
Day 2 of the 2019 NFL Draft is loaded with talent at cornerback.
PFF
 
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I think the key to drafting Hockenson is in what sggatecl posted in post 270 and the 12 personnel. With both Hockenson and James in that scheme, the Lions will have 7 blockers at the line. From all I have read about Bevell using this,
the Lions will be close to unstoppable in this set up. It is what they want from their tight ends Block, and catch.

I love the optimism.
 
Hockenson is a good player...im really not trying to bash him.
James isnt this incredible playmaker by any means so it upgraded that position.
#8 was a little high for him imo and i thought the opportunity to gain picks was more important. With the guys still on the board i wasnt overly excited about any of them:
Bush would have filled a need. I saw him as a high rd 2 guy for most of the draft process.
Oliver would have been an upgrade over Ashawn as DE.
Jonah Williams would have filled a starting RG spot.

So with so many holes i guess im just disappointed we didnt move back and grab more picks if the rumors out there were true we had offers.

What compounded my disappointment was the fact JAX took Allen.
 
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