OT Joe Pa and Penn St

[tonyballs]

Mitch[/color]]He talked to the grand jury but not then. He went to his boss and waited a d did nothing else for some time.

If so, then he's just as guilty, if not more.

 

[inkfreq]

I know he said he gave his testemony to a grand jury. I beleive he also called the AD.

But thats just it, none of knows what really went down yet. I make my living as the IT manager of a newspaper, and this is exactly the kind of story reporters love to get ahold of and make it sound worse than it might really be.

The saying in the news business is "If it bleeds, it leads". If I find out JoePa really had a hand in covering something up, I'm with you guys in burning him alive. But until then, I just don't know if the guy really did anything wrong.

 

[tonyballs]

I know he said he gave his testemony to a grand jury. I beleive he also called the AD.

But thats just it, none of knows what really went down yet. I make my living as the IT manager of a newspaper, and this is exactly the kind of story reporters love to get ahold of and make it sound worse than it might really be.

The saying in the news business is "If it bleeds, it leads". If I find out JoePa really had a hand in covering something up, I'm with you guys in burning him alive. But until then, I just don't know if the guy really did anything wrong.

Doesn't look good for Joe Pa, ink. This has disaster written all over it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I know he said he gave his testemony to a grand jury. I beleive he also called the AD.

But thats just it, none of knows what really went down yet. I make my living as the IT manager of a newspaper, and this is exactly the kind of story reporters love to get ahold of and make it sound worse than it might really be.

The saying in the news business is "If it bleeds, it leads". If I find out JoePa really had a hand in covering something up, I'm with you guys in burning him alive. But until then, I just don't know if the guy really did anything wrong.

Hand in covering it up might be a tad strong but he had second hand knowledge and didn't go to the authorities. Just to the AD. Well thanks Joe.

 

[inkfreq]

I guess this is what I don't understand... while JoePa is a very public figure in Happy Valley, he's not the man in charge of the school.

The maintenance man told Joe. No one is trying to fry the maintenance man for not calling the cops, and he's the one who saw something go down.

Joe turned it over to his boss, but Joe is an asshole for not calling the cops directly?

If I see a crime at work, I call the cops. But if someone tells me they saw a crime at work, I turn that over to my boss to look into.

That's what Joe did. If you see it first hand, sure, you call the cops. But someone says they saw something? You're supposed to go to your boss with that. So why is the maintenance guy a hero for going to Joe, and Joe is an asshole for taking it to his boss for investigation?

 

[lions2011]

I guess this is what I don't understand... while JoePa is a very public figure in Happy Valley, he's not the man in charge of the school.

The maintenance man told Joe. No one is trying to fry the maintenance man for not calling the cops, and he's the one who saw something go down.

Joe turned it over to his boss, but Joe is an asshole for not calling the cops directly?

If I see a crime at work, I call the cops. But if someone tells me they saw a crime at work, I turn that over to my boss to look into.

That's what Joe did. If you see it first hand, sure, you call the cops. But someone says they saw something? You're supposed to go to your boss with that. So why is the maintenance guy a hero for going to Joe, and Joe is an asshole for taking it to his boss for investigation?

you musta missed pretty much every interview given today by former players and others..

Joe Paterno is GOD at Penn St...He has nobody he reports to....they may have a title over him...but Joe is God.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I guess this is what I don't understand... while JoePa is a very public figure in Happy Valley, he's not the man in charge of the school.

The maintenance man told Joe. No one is trying to fry the maintenance man for not calling the cops, and he's the one who saw something go down.

Joe turned it over to his boss, but Joe is an asshole for not calling the cops directly?

If I see a crime at work, I call the cops. But if someone tells me they saw a crime at work, I turn that over to my boss to look into.

That's what Joe did. If you see it first hand, sure, you call the cops. But someone says they saw something? You're supposed to go to your boss with that. So why is the maintenance guy a hero for going to Joe, and Joe is an asshole for taking it to his boss for investigation?

He's more a public figure but the 28 year old MC something or ever is moraly responsible even more so.

 

[inkfreq]

I guess this is what I don't understand... while JoePa is a very public figure in Happy Valley, he's not the man in charge of the school.

The maintenance man told Joe. No one is trying to fry the maintenance man for not calling the cops, and he's the one who saw something go down.

Joe turned it over to his boss, but Joe is an asshole for not calling the cops directly?

If I see a crime at work, I call the cops. But if someone tells me they saw a crime at work, I turn that over to my boss to look into.

That's what Joe did. If you see it first hand, sure, you call the cops. But someone says they saw something? You're supposed to go to your boss with that. So why is the maintenance guy a hero for going to Joe, and Joe is an asshole for taking it to his boss for investigation?

you musta missed pretty much every interview given today by former players and others..

Joe Paterno is GOD at Penn St...He has nobody he reports to....they may have a title over him...but Joe is God.

Maybe thats why I dont get it then. In my world, there is a chain of command. I answer to people, and people answer to me.

In the world of normal people, when someone says they saw something, you take it to the guy in charge.

 

[newton83]

I know he said he gave his testemony to a grand jury. I beleive he also called the AD.

But thats just it, none of knows what really went down yet. I make my living as the IT manager of a newspaper, and this is exactly the kind of story reporters love to get ahold of and make it sound worse than it might really be.

The saying in the news business is "If it bleeds, it leads". If I find out JoePa really had a hand in covering something up, I'm with you guys in burning him alive. But until then, I just don't know if the guy really did anything wrong.

Testifying in the Grand Jury should not be taken as an indication that Paterno did the right thing in the case. He was subpoenaed by the court and made to testify in the face of going to jail for contempt of court (don't mean to imply that he resisted, only that he had little choice in the manner). His testimony reveals he did the bare minimum in reporting what he knew to the AD. Legally, he may be off the hook for his inaction, but sometimes a person needs to go beyond the minimum to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves.

Paterno was probably self-deluded that his ol' buddy Jerry, the guy who was a little too friendly with kids and always had "special guests" around him--boys of young age, exclusively--could possibly have done anything wrong. To me, it's pretty clear that when a former player and trusted member of your staff, McQueary (he is their current receivers coach) comes to you with something as serious as this and you are the most powerful man on campus, you don't just send it up the chain and sit around with your fingers in your ears. You follow through the investigation and bring in the state police. You make damn sure your program is not involved with anything even approaching this and fight for the young men you supposedly care about.

 

[Mitchrapp]

you musta missed pretty much every interview given today by former players and others..

Joe Paterno is GOD at Penn St...He has nobody he reports to....they may have a title over him...but Joe is God.

Maybe thats why I dont get it then. In my world, there is a chain of command. I answer to people, and people answer to me.

In the world of normal people, when someone says they saw something, you take it to the guy in charge.

This is a criminal offense dude, not some guy who stole the mascot.

 

[elrod817]

I guess this is what I don't understand... while JoePa is a very public figure in Happy Valley, he's not the man in charge of the school.

The maintenance man told Joe. No one is trying to fry the maintenance man for not calling the cops, and he's the one who saw something go down.

Joe turned it over to his boss, but Joe is an asshole for not calling the cops directly?

If I see a crime at work, I call the cops. But if someone tells me they saw a crime at work, I turn that over to my boss to look into.

That's what Joe did. If you see it first hand, sure, you call the cops. But someone says they saw something? You're supposed to go to your boss with that. So why is the maintenance guy a hero for going to Joe, and Joe is an asshole for taking it to his boss for investigation?

I think that attitude's okay for the guy pilfering erasers from the supply closet. But a crime such as murder...or molestation...I think you treat that differently. Especially when you're the most powerful guy on campus regardless if your title says so or not. You are correct though, ink, that the maintenance man should have called the cops as well.

 

[dmoney1980]

the situation that has occured at penn st is nothing less than despicable.......the pure fact that this alleged child abuse was allowed to continue for 13 long years is far beyond the realm of reason, and ALL of the parties responsible for this travesty better be severely and I MEAN SEVERELY prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

but the real question to be asking is where does the fault truly lie? with who....at whose feet? believe it or not, it doesn't lie with sandusky because he's just a monster so therefore you shouldn't be surprised when it begins to eat people, (especially when it was basically allowed to) this is just what monsters do. you can't blame A.D curley because we all know he's isn't the one who's truly (or was) in charge at penn st, mcquery is one person you CAN blame a bit for being a little girl about the whole incident.....(really, WHO scampers home to tell father that they witnessed a child being raped in a shower? sandusky needed his head cracked open right that very second, and mcquery dropped the fucking ball) may his man card forever be revoked.

there is one and only ONE person to truly and unequivocally find fault with......joe pa himself. i don't care if it's your friend, i don't care if it's your brother, i don't even care if it's your mother.....there is NO earthly reason why a thing such as child rape should EVER be swept under the rug. paterno can't say he didn't believe the accusations because he supposedly banned sandusky from bringing kids upon campus......so obviously he felt there was some truth to the situation. but furthermore paterno must be held to a greater standard than everyone else because he's not just a mere football coach......why, the man is a fucking institution unto himself.....

this is why HE IS THE ONE who failed everyone the most because he was thought to be the moral compass of NOT JUST the nittany lions, but ALL OF STATE COLLEGE as a whole. he just doesn't coach penn st......he IS the fucking embodiment of it! you think he COULDN'T just fire sandusky on the spot once he realized the allegations held some weight? he didn't have to alert the A.D and await his decision because he doesn't work for the guy, the A.D WORKS FOR PATERNO! why do you think he's coached this long? because they CAN'T fire him......

but this changes everything, including paterno's legacy......if it is found that he is actually culpable and did allow such behavior to continue, then he should be fired YESTERDAY.....and subsequently prosecuted himself. it's a damn shame, i know.....but it's also fucking fair.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You're partly right but to say its not the fault of that scumbag Sandusky you're being short sighted.

 

[dmoney1980]

Mitch[/color]]You're partly right but to say its not the fault of that scumbag Sandusky you're being short sighted.

sandusky's just a pure monster in my eyes, he's only doing what fucking comes naturally to his ass. human beings don't DO THAT.

 

[Mitchrapp]

All I know is that this story makes me sick.

 

[dmoney1980]

Mitch[/color]]All I know is that this story makes me sick.

this is the sort of thing that can make you KILL.....

 

[inkfreq]

The reality is, there is no bright side to this story at all. It really doesn't matter if JoePa knew, or if he didn't. It doesn't matter who told who, or who didn't say enough.

The tragedy of the whole thing is the children who were hurt in all of this. At the end of the day, that's really all that matters.

I hope whoever allowed this to happen pays a dear price for it all. I have a hard time believing that Paterno knew as much as the media is letting on, or did as little as they say, but if I am wrong on that, I hope he pays as much as anyone else for being complicit in something like this.

The truth for me is that I have a ton of respect for JoePa and everything he has done in that community, and I really don't want to believe he knew or stood silent. He said "let the legal process unfold" and I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt until there is real proof otherwise.

 

[dmoney1980]

The reality is, there is no bright side to this story at all. It really doesn't matter if JoePa knew, or if he didn't. It doesn't matter who told who, or who didn't say enough.

The tragedy of the whole thing is the children who were hurt in all of this. At the end of the day, that's really all that matters.

I hope whoever allowed this to happen pays a dear price for it all. I have a hard time believing that Paterno knew as much as the media is letting on, or did as little as they say, but if I am wrong on that, I hope he pays as much as anyone else for being complicit in something like this.

The truth for me is that I have a ton of respect for JoePa and everything he has done in that community, and I really don't want to believe he knew or stood silent. He said "let the legal process unfold" and I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt until there is real proof otherwise.

hell, i don't want to believe this about joe pa as well....this is going to fucking ruin him no matter how it goes, because if he knew about this at all, then as far as i'm concerned, he knew ENOUGH. think about it..... it has been stated that paterno supposedly banned sandusky from bringing kids unto the campus, so obviously if this can be proven, it shows that joe believed there was some VALIDITY to everyones claims.....this is the key i feel....if they can actually show proof that sandusky was prohibited from bringing kids to penn st., then as the old saying goes......joey's goose is cooked.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Of course he knew. The 28 year who first saw told him directly. Its in the grand jury report. Paterno told the AD and then washed his hands of it. Scumbag.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Sick bastard.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-57320667-10391697/jerry-sandusky-wrote-a-book-called-touched/