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[tomdalton22]

We're never going to get kids like Zion until we start paying them, or the NCAA enforces rules (ha!), like Duke, Kansas, UK, UNC, Arizona, etc.

We don't have to pay them directly, but we need a shady shoe guy to get them the money.

Of that group, I would say Duke is probably clean.

 

[biggunsbob]

I think Michigan and Maryland have the toughest remaining schedule, and Purdue , and MSU May have the easiest schedule left . If either MSU or Michigan get a sweep they probably will win or at least tie for the big ten title . I would not be surprised if a split title happens or if Purdue slides in and games it all. Again I know the regular season is a more important banner but I really would like to see Michigan win three btt titles in a row . That would be cool. Not sure they have enough in the tank for both with Such a thin bench.


Michigan 11-3

schedule

#24 Maryland 19-6.
@ Minnesota
#11 Msu 20-5.
Nebraska 13-11.
@#24 Maryland 19-6.
@#11 MSU 20-5
==========================
Msu 11-3

Ohio st 16-7.
Rutgers 11-12
@ #6 Michigan 22-3.
@ Indiana 13-11.
Nebraska 13-11.
#6 Michigan 22-3.
=======================
Purdue 10-3

Psu
@ Indiana 13-11.
@ Nebraska 13-11.
Illinois 9-15.
Ohio st 16-7.
@ Minnesota 16-8.
@ Northwestern 12-11.
===/====================
Maryland 10-4

@ #6 Michigan 22-3.
@ #21 Iowa 19-5.
Osu 16-7.
@ Psu 9-15.
#6 Michigan 22-3.
Minnesota 16-8.

 

[Michchamp]

there are 6 games left for all the 3 loss teams except Purdue has 7 but they also have the easiest remaining sched w/ their best opponent being OSU (.500 in B1G play). uofm appears to have the toughest schedule with half their games on the road including at MSU and at md. We have 4 home games w/ road games at uofm and iu.

I was talking overall schedule.

We missed road games at Purdue and OSU.

of course, when I posted that, I didn't think we'd shoot ourselves in the foot and lose at PennSt shortly thereafter...

Doesn't really matter how easy our schedule was earlier, since we no longer have that one game advantage down the stretch

 

[thewolverines24]

Of that group, I would say Duke is probably clean.

And you'd be wrong.

I'm not saying Duke pays directly, but they have their Nike reps out working for them.

 

[tomdalton22]

And you'd be wrong.

I'm not saying Duke pays directly, but they have their Nike reps out working for them.

so any school that gets top prospects is dirty?

 

[thewolverines24]

so any school that gets top prospects is dirty?

The top one and done players, yes.

Those kids aren't going to school. They are going for basketball only and to show off for the NBA. It's a bidding war for those kids. This is basically common knowledge at this point.

Why do you think the top 2 players in the 2019 class went to Memphis and Georgia?

 

[tomdalton22]

The top one and done players, yes.

Those kids aren't going to school. They are going for basketball only and to show off for the NBA. It's a bidding war for those kids. This is basically common knowledge at this point.

Why do you think the top 2 players in the 2019 class went to Memphis and Georgia?

Many schools may be in that "bidding war" but Duke has been getting top prospects for the past 25 years with not even a hint of shady behavior. They have the best coach in basketball and one of the best programs. I just don't think coach K runs a shady program...he doesn't have to. Shit programs like Memphis and Georgia have to get dirty to get the top players.

 

[thewolverines24]

Many schools may be in that "bidding war" but Duke has been getting top prospects for the past 25 years with not even a hint of shady behavior. They have the best coach in basketball and one of the best programs. I just don't think coach K runs a shady program...he doesn't have to. Shit programs like Memphis and Georgia have to get dirty to get the top players.

Why do you think Coach K refused to go after one and done players for years? He knew exactly what it took to get them. That's why Jeff Capel, a guy who was fired at Oklahoma for paying players, is Duke's recruiting guru. Until Capel came on, Kyrie Irving was Duke's only one and done recruit. Now they rattle those guys off like it's nothing. It's not a coincidence.

Oh and how about this:

2000: After leaving Duke, former star Corey Maggette admits to accepting thousands of dollars from summer-league coach Myron Piggie. Though such payments would presumably have made Maggette ineligible, the NCAA declines to strip Duke of its Final Four appearance. The Blue Devils, in fact, aren’t punished at all.

2003: An investigation by the New Orleans Times-Picayune reveals that point guard Chris Duhon’s mother “landed a job working for a Duke booster; co-workers say the job opening was never posted and that Harper was overpaid and lacked qualifications.” Again, Duke gets absolutely no heat from the NCAA.

 

[tomdalton22]

Why do you think Coach K refused to go after one and done players for years? He knew exactly what it took to get them. That's why Jeff Capel, a guy who was fired at Oklahoma for paying players, is Duke's recruiting guru. Until Capel came on, Kyrie Irving was Duke's only one and done recruit. Now they rattle those guys off like it's nothing. It's not a coincidence.

He thought he could win without dealing with players that leave after one year. He found out that he couldn't.

 

[thewolverines24]

He thought he could win without dealing with players that leave after one year. He found out that he couldn't.

According to Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports, a taped conversation between former Adidas employee Merl Code and Kansas assistant Kurtis Townsend discussed what it would take to land Duke incoming freshman Zion Williamson before he committed to the Blue Devils. "He asked about some stuff," Code was heard saying. "He's asking for cash and he's asking for housing for him and his family."

Funny how Zion's family moved from Spartanburg to Durham. Also just a coincidence!

 

[thewolverines24]

I don't understand why people think Coach K is a good guy or clean coach. He's an asshole and has been one for a long time. Does everyone forget what he did to his assistant when he took a leave in 1995?

In January of 1995, Mike Krzyzewski left the program due to back problems and exhaustion. Assistant Pete Gaudet took over the program and the season tanked. The Blue Devils went 4-15 under Gaudet, who was making $16,000 at the time as a "restricted earnings" coach, and missed the NCAA Tournament.

Krzyzewski was originally scheduled to return to the team after back surgery, but never returned to coach that season, leading to accusations he quit on what he knew was a bad team.

Duke petitioned the NCAA to have those losses stick on Gaudet's record, not Krzyzewski's.

Krzyzewski said at a 2007 press conference that he should have been credited with the losses.

"I think I should be credited with all the losses," Krzyzewski said. "Overall, the bottom line is I'm responsible even though I'm not there. That's the way I looked at it, but it doesn't make any difference to me. I wouldn't have wanted the wins, let's put it that way. But you can give me the losses."

That entire quote from his 2007 press conference is complete horseshit. Duke would not have petitioned to give the assistant the losses without Coach K being fine with it. Coach K can eat dicks.

 

[Spartanmack]

Why do you think Coach K refused to go after one and done players for years? He knew exactly what it took to get them. That's why Jeff Capel, a guy who was fired at Oklahoma for paying players, is Duke's recruiting guru. Until Capel came on, Kyrie Irving was Duke's only one and done recruit. Now they rattle those guys off like it's nothing. It's not a coincidence.

Oh and how about this:

2000: After leaving Duke, former star Corey Maggette admits to accepting thousands of dollars from summer-league coach Myron Piggie. Though such payments would presumably have made Maggette ineligible, the NCAA declines to strip Duke of its Final Four appearance. The Blue Devils, in fact, aren’t punished at all.

2003: An investigation by the New Orleans Times-Picayune reveals that point guard Chris Duhon’s mother “landed a job working for a Duke booster; co-workers say the job opening was never posted and that Harper was overpaid and lacked qualifications.” Again, Duke gets absolutely no heat from the NCAA.

dook has been right there with the one and dones since the era of the one and dones exploded and consolidated among a handful of schools. One and dones weren't that common twenty years ago but back then dook had plenty of guys who left early after sophomore or junior seasons like Elton Brand.

Edit: also, unless you meant Irving was dook's first one-and-done since the NBA rule was instituted (1 year before Irving enrolled), it's not true that he was dook's first one and done recruit. Corey Maggette, who you mention in your post, was a one and done in '98/'99

By the way, I agree with you that krooziewooski is an asshole and dook isn't clean - krooziewooski no doubt has plausible deniability like Saban probably does w/ apparel company slimeballs and/or booster bag men, but I think his players are receiving benefits and he's aware of it. I just think it's not correct to say he hasn't been a one and done participant since the beginning. And before one and dones exploded as a thing, he had plenty of kids who left early and recruited them knowing it was likely to happen.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think Michigan and Maryland have the toughest remaining schedule, and Purdue , and MSU May have the easiest schedule left . If either MSU or Michigan get a sweep they probably will win or at least tie for the big ten title . I would not be surprised if a split title happens or if Purdue slides in and games it all. Again I know the regular season is a more important banner but I really would like to see Michigan win three btt titles in a row . That would be cool. Not sure they have enough in the tank for both with Such a thin bench.


Michigan 11-3

schedule

#24 Maryland 19-6.
@ Minnesota
#11 Msu 20-5.
Nebraska 13-11.
@#24 Maryland 19-6.
@#11 MSU 20-5
==========================
Msu 11-3

Ohio st 16-7.
Rutgers 11-12
@ #6 Michigan 22-3.
@ Indiana 13-11.
Nebraska 13-11.
#6 Michigan 22-3.
=======================
Purdue 10-3

Psu
@ Indiana 13-11.
@ Nebraska 13-11.
Illinois 9-15.
Ohio st 16-7.
@ Minnesota 16-8.
@ Northwestern 12-11.
===/====================
Maryland 10-4

@ #6 Michigan 22-3.
@ #21 Iowa 19-5.
Osu 16-7.
@ Psu 9-15.
#6 Michigan 22-3.
Minnesota 16-8.

Purdue's schedule is much easier than ours (and maryland's). I agree that uofm's is the toughest w/ MSU and md 2 times each, but our remaining sched is basically the same as Maryland's other than they have to play at Iowa. Purdue's is basically the bottom of the barrel of the B1G.

 

[biggunsbob]

Your right I neglected in my head with a bad cold brain to remember that MSU has to play Michigan too. That is just dumb by me. Don’t know what I was thinking. Purdue probably goes 5-1 or 6-0. Michigan and Maryland the hardest. Msu right behind those two by just a smidge.

Purdue has a cake walkish.

Even Rutgers is playing teams tough . No game is a stone cold lock anymore. Too much tape on each other.

 

[biggunsbob]

#9 Houston up 14 at UConn with 9ish left. They look long and lanky . Very athletic looking . Houston wins 71-63.

They are good. Have a real shot at a deep ncaa tournament run. What was Sampson fired for at Indiana ?

 

[biggunsbob]

Illinois 5-1 in big ten since January 26th. Best in the big ten. Beat osu tonight in Columbus.
They will be a tough out in the big 10 tournament.

 

[Michchamp]

Illinois 5-1 in big ten since January 26th. Best in the big ten. Beat osu tonight in Columbus.
They will be a tough out in the big 10 tournament.

yeah, they seem to be coming together as a team, and have some talent there.

 

[thewolverines24]

#9 Houston up 14 at UConn with 9ish left. They look long and lanky . Very athletic looking . Houston wins 71-63.

They are good. Have a real shot at a deep ncaa tournament run. What was Sampson fired for at Indiana ?

In its report, the NCAA committee said:
"A head coach does not promote compliance when he intentionally ignores committee penalties directed at him for intentional rules violations. A head coach also does not promote compliance when he himself commits intentional violations. This is particularly true when he commits these violations with the knowledge and assistance of a coach on his staff."

Indiana was accused of four major NCAA violations that stemmed from more than 100 impermissible phone calls to recruits by Sampson and his assistant coaches during his first season in Bloomington. Sampson resigned under pressure, short of completing his second season, after accepting a $750,000 buyout.

 

[thewolverines24]

Gonzaga beat another 8th grade team last night. They were only up 1 at halftime, so they had to overcome some real adversity. :bs:

 

[Michchamp]

In its report, the NCAA committee said:
"A head coach does not promote compliance when he intentionally ignores committee penalties directed at him for intentional rules violations. A head coach also does not promote compliance when he himself commits intentional violations. This is particularly true when he commits these violations with the knowledge and assistance of a coach on his staff."

Indiana was accused of four major NCAA violations that stemmed from more than 100 impermissible phone calls to recruits by Sampson and his assistant coaches during his first season in Bloomington. Sampson resigned under pressure, short of completing his second season, after accepting a $750,000 buyout.

I still don't know whether what Sampson did was worth the punishment he received. I've read a number of opinions saying "it was all bullshit" but they don't provide any context beyond that.

For example, it would be helpful to know something like "Sampson did X, but other coaches do that all the time and aren't singled out and punished for it." or "Sampson called recruits when he wasn't supposed to, but during that time a lot of coaches are still calling recruits, they just do it through boosters, and Sampson made the mistake of doing it himself."

Just from listening to him talk, and his comments, I think he's kind of a pushy person, and maybe a prick, and I think he would probably feel justified openly flouting a rule if he felt it was unfair, but I don't get the sense he's as much of a sleaze as Shushevski or Pitino.