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[Spartanmack]

For marketing and promotional purposes, networks have started referring to every game played in March as being a part of ?March madness?-to them it?s no longer just in the NCAA tournament anymore.

so are the tourney games that happen in April still part of March Madness?

i always thought the conf tournaments were a big part of it. that piece was less of a big deal in the B1G for so long since we didnt have a one but thats when all the energy and buzz and bubble-watching would start.

 

[tinselwolverine]

so are the tourney games that happen in April still part of March Madness?

i always thought the conf tournaments were a big part of it. that piece was less of a big deal in the B1G for so long since we didnt have a one but thats when all the energy and buzz and bubble-watching would start.

Sure, why not-has it ever been anything but the final four?

I think they like to count the conference tournaments as part of it and I see it that way too. I don?t have time to look very hard for it but I don?t think anybody had St. Mary?s in the tournament but now they?re auto bid-Very possibly they knock somebody who was on the bubble in out.

That?s kind a mad stuff right there.

 

[dubbsco]

I guess I am disagreeing with the field here.

I would much rather see a strong mid-major team that wins their tournament vs a team from a major conference that gets in with a 6-10 conference record or something strictly because of their name. Make them earn their shot. Even though they are "better," they did not do enough to make it in. Big name teams basically just have to not wet the bed in the conference play, and they'll be fine.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

Well, IU sure looks like that team that might get bumped. If they have to play their way in, so be it, but they deserve at least that. Their Quad 1 wins are undeniable.

 

[Michchamp]

Well, IU sure looks like that team that might get bumped. If they have to play their way in, so be it, but they deserve at least that. Their Quad 1 wins are undeniable.

Didn't they lose someone for the season right when the conference slate started?

 

[tomdalton22]

I guess I am disagreeing with the field here.

I would much rather see a strong mid-major team that wins their tournament vs a team from a major conference that gets in with a 6-10 conference record or something strictly because of their name. Make them earn their shot. Even though they are "better," they did not do enough to make it in. Big name teams basically just have to not wet the bed in the conference play, and they'll be fine.

for the play in games?

 

[hungry]

I guess I am disagreeing with the field here.

I would much rather see a strong mid-major team that wins their tournament vs a team from a major conference that gets in with a 6-10 conference record or something strictly because of their name. Make them earn their shot. Even though they are "better," they did not do enough to make it in. Big name teams basically just have to not wet the bed in the conference play, and they'll be fine.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you.

We're saying that those teams shouldn't be in the play-in games.

 

[hungry]

Well, IU sure looks like that team that might get bumped. If they have to play their way in, so be it, but they deserve at least that. Their Quad 1 wins are undeniable.

They have a chance to play their way in. It's called the conference tournament.

 

[Spartanmack]

I guess I am disagreeing with the field here.

I would much rather see a strong mid-major team that wins their tournament vs a team from a major conference that gets in with a 6-10 conference record or something strictly because of their name. Make them earn their shot. Even though they are "better," they did not do enough to make it in. Big name teams basically just have to not wet the bed in the conference play, and they'll be fine.

thats not the issue though - the issue is the play in ga.es eliminating 4 teams the committe thinks are better than 20 other teams before the tourney even starts.

but to your point - what about the not strong mid majors that win their conf tourney? they bump a more deserving team too - as do the less than mid major conf tourney winners. i dislike that a lot less than putting 11 seeds in the play-in games but the autobid definitely weakens the field to some degree.

 

[dubbsco]

thats not the issue though - the issue is the play in ga.es eliminating 4 teams the committe thinks are better than 20 other teams before the tourney even starts.

but to your point - what about the not strong mid majors that win their conf tourney? they bump a more deserving team too - as do the less than mid major conf tourney winners. i dislike that a lot less than putting 11 seeds in the play-in games but the autobid definitely weakens the field to some degree.

Gotcha. Misread the initial intention of the post.

Yeah, that's a tough one. In that case, you would need to either eliminate conference tournaments or just have the top 2 teams play in a "championship." That would basically eliminate any team that snipes a bid randomly.

 

[biggunsbob]

I remember in 2016 Michigan was a 11 seed and beat Tulsa in the opening round game. Not sure what to do. Move to 90+ teams maybe ?

 

[MSUMatt28]

Gotcha. Misread the initial intention of the post.

Yeah, that's a tough one. In that case, you would need to either eliminate conference tournaments or just have the top 2 teams play in a "championship." That would basically eliminate any team that snipes a bid randomly.

It's in a 1-bid league's interest to send the best team possible to the tournament. The leagues that do some things to reward the regular season champs or tilt the odds in their favor in the conference tournament have it right, I think. Something like maybe a bye to the semi's or home court advantage or something.

I agree in not liking high major teams with poor conference records getting in. It seems like that is happening more in recent years. Teams with 7-11 conference records in the past would have had to kick some serious butt outside the conference and be in a strong league to get consideration. This year it's happening all over the place. Look at teams like TCU or Oklahoma and what they've accomplished either in conference or out. Nothing special at all and both are probably comfortably in right now. I think what is also happening is the High Majors are avoiding mid-majors in scheduling even more than in the past. They're either playing other high major powers or cupcakes. Most of the mid majors can't seem to get games against the big boys for anything and are stuck playing as many other mid majors as possible in order to get any kind of strength of schedule points.

 

[biggunsbob]

You cant design a better play then Illinois coach did with 1.9 seconds left. Player missed a easy layup. They go down 3 in ot but use a 8-0 run to advance to Thursday's game with Iowa.

 

[tomdalton22]

I remember in 2016 Michigan was a 11 seed and beat Tulsa in the opening round game. Not sure what to do. Move to 90+ teams maybe ?

adding more teams certainly isn't the answer. If the tournament wants 4 play in games they need to make the bottom 8 teams play those games...not random 11 & 12 seeds

 

[Michchamp]

adding more teams certainly isn't the answer. If the tournament wants 4 play in games they need to make the bottom 8 teams play those games...not random 11 & 12 seeds

the seeding is kinda subjective as it is though.

hard to say whether a 11-15 seed is better than a 16 seed.

 

[tomdalton22]

the seeding is kinda subjective as it is though.

hard to say whether a 11-15 seed is better than a 16 seed.

maybe...but they are doing it. They are the ones saying that the 11 seeds are better than the 15's and 16's. Also, they are selecting two 11 seeds to play an extra game...why not the other 11 seeds? There is absolutely no logic to it.

 

[Michchamp]

maybe...but they are doing it. They are the ones saying that the 11 seeds are better than the 15's and 16's. Also, they are selecting two 11 seeds to play an extra game...why not the other 11 seeds? There is absolutely no logic to it.

So you're saying Mr. Spock is not involved here?

 

[biggunsbob]

There is some Atrocious shooting in this Maryland vs. Nebraska game.

 

[hungry]

I remember in 2016 Michigan was a 11 seed and beat Tulsa in the opening round game. Not sure what to do. Move to 90+ teams maybe ?

The Amaker rule? No way. Back when Amaker was the coach, people were whining for a 128 team field LOL

go back to 64. Eliminate the play-in games. They're dumb.

 

[hungry]

So you're saying Mr. Spock is not involved here?

I don't think Spock is involved. He would have a much more logical way to determine the championship. It wouldn't be madness.

I think the winners of the conference tournaments, the auto-bids, should be exempt from the play-in games. They are supposed to be IN the tournament. Teams in the play-in games are not IN the tournament until they win that game.