Race to the bottom

[cheeno]

Were they supposed to just forfeit?

Were they supposed to not tackle anybody on defense, or not block anybody on offense and fumble and throw interceptions intentionally?

Were they supposed to run the ball backward and drop it down in the end zone for the other team to fall on for a touchdown?

They've done exactly what you described for nearly 60 years. And if you think I'm joking I can provide specific examples if you like.

 

[tinselwolverine]

They've done exactly what you described for nearly 60 years. And if you think I'm joking I can provide specific examples if you like.

No no no...that's ONLY happened when they still had a chance.

 

[mhughes0021]

They've done exactly what you described for nearly 60 years. And if you think I'm joking I can provide specific examples if you like.

The white Georgia wr throwing the ball in bounds to the other team before he stepped out of bounds comes to mind.

 

[tonyballs]

Thank G-D!!!

I am so thrilled they won those meaningless games so they could avoid a top 5 pick!!!

Fucking idiotic statement

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Fucking idiotic statement

I will never understand someone wanting their team to lose for draft position.

To each his own, I guess.

 

[inkfreq]

 

[tomdalton22]

I would rather have a top 5 pick vs. going 7-9 and missing the playoffs.

 

[brewer229]

I will never understand someone wanting their team to lose for draft position.

To each his own, I guess.

I don't understand wanting to lose so you can have a 12th pick instead of a 16th pick.

But in the final game of the season if you are in position for the #1 overall with a loss and there is a clear cut #1 (Like Luck was in 2012), then losing is a better option then winning a meaningless game. However those situations are few and far between.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Were they supposed to just forfeit?

Were they supposed to not tackle anybody on defense, or not block anybody on offense and fumble and throw interceptions intentionally?

Were they supposed to run the ball backward and drop it down in the end zone for the other team to fall on for a touchdown?

No. But play a guy like Van Noy to see if he can actually play. Healthy scratch for a 24 year old 2nd year player. Not getting more than a few snaps when he does get to play?

Coach like you actually want this franchise to succeed.

 

[tomdalton22]

No. But play a guy like Van Noy to see if he can actually play. Healthy scratch for a 24 year old 2nd year player. Not getting more than a few snaps when he does get to play?

Coach like you actually want this franchise to succeed.

I think they know he can't play.

 

[UMRules06]

Top 5 pick means the team has more holes than we feared. I am happy the Lions got some wins and finished strong. I feel better about some of the players on the team moreso than I was earlier in the year. You can get a high impact player in the middle of the first round. It does not have to be top 5 to be great.

Now the problem is getting the right guy

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think they know he can't play.

Based on what? He needed to play more. Especially lately.

 

[dubbsco]

I'm curious as to the correlation between finishing strong and having a successful next season. Because I always hear that statement, and don't know how true it really is. I personally remember the Lions often winning meaningless games at the end to go 7-9, 6-10, and sucking equally the following year.

 

[tomdalton22]

Top 5 pick means the team has more holes than we feared. I am happy the Lions got some wins and finished strong. I feel better about some of the players on the team moreso than I was earlier in the year. You can get a high impact player in the middle of the first round. It does not have to be top 5 to be great.

Now the problem is getting the right guy

when is the last time the Lions did that when they weren't picking in the top 10?

There may be what...5-7 "franchise" type players in each draft? If you pick in the top 5 you are guaranteed to have one available to you when you pick. It doesn't mean you will actually select him and it doesn't mean he might not be there in the middle of the round, but you are guaranteed to have one of those guys available.

Another great thing about picking in the top 5 is the ability to trade down and stockpile picks.

 

[tomdalton22]

Based on what? He needed to play more. Especially lately.

2 full seasons of training camp, practices and limited playing time in games. They have had plenty of time to figure out he isn't good...they don't have to put him in a game to figure it out.

 

[tbone413]

No. But play a guy like Van Noy to see if he can actually play. Healthy scratch for a 24 year old 2nd year player. Not getting more than a few snaps when he does get to play?

Coach like you actually want this franchise to succeed.

The KVN situation is one of the reasons why I sometimes think this franchise is just cursed. This guy was a stud in college, had all the talent in the world, no injury problems, etc. Almost everyone ('experts' and fans alike) thought he was a solid pick for the Lions...however, he has done absolutely nothing since entering the league. Part of me thinks it may be coaching, but Austin has done a good job getting the most out of our Defense, and it seems like a lot of young guys have taken 'the next step' under him, so what gives with KVN? He had a fluke hernia surgery in the beginning of his rookie season, but that doesn't explain why hes a healthy cut...it honestly doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm curious as to the correlation between finishing strong and having a successful next season. Because I always hear that statement, and don't know how true it really is. I personally remember the Lions often winning meaningless games at the end to go 7-9, 6-10, and sucking equally the following year.

There isn't a correlation.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The KVN situation is one of the reasons why I sometimes think this franchise is just cursed. This guy was a stud in college, had all the talent in the world, no injury problems, etc. Almost everyone ('experts' and fans alike) thought he was a solid pick for the Lions...however, he has done absolutely nothing since entering the league. Part of me thinks it may be coaching, but Austin has done a good job getting the most out of our Defense, and it seems like a lot of young guys have taken 'the next step' under him, so what gives with KVN? He had a fluke hernia surgery in the beginning of his rookie season, but that doesn't explain why hes a healthy cut...it honestly doesn't make sense to me.

Something I'm unsure of.. Who decides who plays? DC for defense and OC for offense or the HC?

 

[mhughes0021]

The KVN situation is one of the reasons why I sometimes think this franchise is just cursed. This guy was a stud in college, had all the talent in the world, no injury problems, etc. Almost everyone ('experts' and fans alike) thought he was a solid pick for the Lions...however, he has done absolutely nothing since entering the league. Part of me thinks it may be coaching, but Austin has done a good job getting the most out of our Defense, and it seems like a lot of young guys have taken 'the next step' under him, so what gives with KVN? He had a fluke hernia surgery in the beginning of his rookie season, but that doesn't explain why hes a healthy cut...it honestly doesn't make sense to me.

He spent most of his college career in the backfield. Our lbs don't do that. We seem to blitz our corners and safeties more than our lbs. A couple times a game we send Tulloch on a run blitz.....that's about it....coverage and sitting in zones wasn't really van noys game. I thought when we picked him we would see this cool hybrid 3-4 type defense with him playing a key attacking type role. Weve done nothing even close to that. Maybe with Tulloch gone it opens some things up.....his range was awful this year....kept us from being very creative with what we could do.

 

[inkfreq]

Something I'm unsure of.. Who decides who plays? DC for defense and OC for offense or the HC?

Normally the head coach makes that call.