Reyes

[buddyboy2121]

Yup.. I just wonder how Reyes and Hanley will coexist or will Hanley be on the way out? He did have an awful 2011..

that awful 2011 also has to do with a incredibly low BABIP. averages in the .335 range before this season, it was .275 last season.

 

[manchild98]

Yup.. I just wonder how Reyes and Hanley will coexist or will Hanley be on the way out? He did have an awful 2011..

Not that it means anything but the Marlins did say they were going after Reyes and they had absolutely no intention of trading Hanley if they signed him.

 

[mjsb2]

Marlins have a pretty solid lineup now with Reyes leading off, Han Ram 3rd, Stanton 4th, and LoMo 5th.

 

[tigers99888]

Not sure if Staton is a lock for 4th.. I still think he's better in the 5th or 6th spot.. He doesn't make contact other than when he homers.. Needs to get his average up and strike out a little less. But overall a solid lineup and really could challenge the NL East this year..

 

[mjsb2]

I like how a small market team like FLA can go out and get Heath bell and offer Reyes 111 mil in 1 week and ppl will still put on posts how we cant afford free agents that will make a difference.

Right.

Because a team whose payroll is still going to be under 100 million after spending dishing out roughly 30 mill per year, and is going to greatly increase their revenue by moving into a new stadium is remotely comparable to the Tigers.

Oh wait, no, it's not even a remotely comparable situation.

 

[mjsb2]

Time to grab Hanley for half price. Delmon, Crosby, and Rondon

lol

that wouldn't even work in a video game.

 

[stonecold2136]

I am sure Ozzie Guillen will be able to get Hanley to play well for him. Hanley is moving to CF

 

[tigers99888]

I am sure Ozzie Guillen will be able to get Hanley to play well for him. Hanley is moving to CF

Let's hope he doesn't tank plays out there either..

 

[mhughes0021]

I like how a small market team like FLA can go out and get Heath bell and offer Reyes 111 mil in 1 week and ppl will still put on posts how we cant afford free agents that will make a difference.

Right.

Because a team whose payroll is still going to be under 100 million after spending dishing out roughly 30 mill per year, and is going to greatly increase their revenue by moving into a new stadium is remotely comparable to the Tigers.

Oh wait, no, it's not even a remotely comparable situation.

bookmarked for next year when theyre still sitting behind the yankees and bosox and their new stadium still has no people in it.

 

[spockmaster]

Right.

Because a team whose payroll is still going to be under 100 million after spending dishing out roughly 30 mill per year, and is going to greatly increase their revenue by moving into a new stadium is remotely comparable to the Tigers.

Oh wait, no, it's not even a remotely comparable situation.

bookmarked for next year when theyre still sitting behind the yankees and bosox and their new stadium still has no people in it.

theyre in the national league, not the american league. they'll be looking up at the phillies and braves.

 

[spockmaster]

also i think we should start a pool on how long it takes the marlins to regret this contract.

 

[mjsb2]

Right.

Because a team whose payroll is still going to be under 100 million after spending dishing out roughly 30 mill per year, and is going to greatly increase their revenue by moving into a new stadium is remotely comparable to the Tigers.

Oh wait, no, it's not even a remotely comparable situation.

bookmarked for next year when theyre still sitting behind the yankees and bosox and their new stadium still has no people in it.

ok?

you realize that even if what you said happens, that what I said is still completely correct, don't you?

 

[mhughes0021]

bookmarked for next year when theyre still sitting behind the yankees and bosox and their new stadium still has no people in it.

ok?

you realize that even if what you said happens, that what I said is still completely correct, don't you?

actually youre not. Theyre not done spending so the 100 mil figure you stated is probably wrong. Theyre still going after Pujols which could drastically change that number. The revenues youre talking about wont be there when theyre in 3rd place and the new house is still empty.

The point is theyre making moves and were "looking"

 

[mjsb2]

ok?

you realize that even if what you said happens, that what I said is still completely correct, don't you?

actually youre not. Theyre not done spending so the 100 mil figure you stated is probably wrong. Theyre still going after Pujols which could drastically change that number. The revenues youre talking about wont be there when theyre in 3rd place and the new house is still empty.

The point is theyre making moves and were "looking"

No, their revenue will increase even if ticket sales don't.

Sorry, but their situation is completely incomparable to the Tigers.

 

[Rebbiv]

Yup.. I just wonder how Reyes and Hanley will coexist or will Hanley be on the way out? He did have an awful 2011..

that awful 2011 also has to do with a incredibly low BABIP. averages in the .335 range before this season, it was .275 last season.

A couple of things about BAbip. Normally, most players' BAbip is roughly 30-35 points higher than their actual BAVG. Ramirez is career .306 BAVG with a .339 BAbip.

Now, in 2011, Ramirez batted .243 BAVG with a .275 BAbip. This is entirely within the range one would expect.

Now, great hitters generally have a lower BAbip then their actual BAVG. Pujols' career BAVG = .328 with a .311 BAbip. In 2011, Pujols' BAVG was .299 with a .277 BAbip. Again, the lower the difference between BAbip and BAVG the better.

In 2010, Austin Jackson had a .293 BAVG with a .396 BAbip. That 103 point difference is unsustainable. So, most sabermatics predicted a drop for Jackson in 2011 and this drop did occurr. Yet, his 2011 BAVG was .249 with a BAbip of .340. This is still 91 points. There isn't any players I know of whose BAbip is greater than 75 points from their career BAVG.


BAbip is a useful stat in most cases as to predicting future success. However, it is seriously flawed and IS NOT a be all, end all stat when evaluating players.

 

[tycobb420]

Harold suggested limiting Reyes' play until the stretch drive to try and save him from another major injury. Wonder how HanRam will take this.

 

[lonesometiger]

that awful 2011 also has to do with a incredibly low BABIP. averages in the .335 range before this season, it was .275 last season.

A couple of things about BAbip. Normally, most players' BAbip is roughly 30-35 points higher than their actual BAVG. Ramirez is career .306 BAVG with a .339 BAbip.

Now, in 2011, Ramirez batted .243 BAVG with a .275 BAbip. This is entirely within the range one would expect.

Now, great hitters generally have a lower BAbip then their actual BAVG. Pujols' career BAVG = .328 with a .311 BAbip. In 2011, Pujols' BAVG was .299 with a .277 BAbip. Again, the lower the difference between BAbip and BAVG the better.

In 2010, Austin Jackson had a .293 BAVG with a .396 BAbip. That 103 point difference is unsustainable. So, most sabermatics predicted a drop for Jackson in 2011 and this drop did occurr. Yet, his 2011 BAVG was .249 with a BAbip of .340. This is still 91 points. There isn't any players I know of whose BAbip is greater than 75 points from their career BAVG.


BAbip is a useful stat in most cases as to predicting future success. However, it is seriously flawed and IS NOT a be all, end all stat when evaluating players.

Jackson has a high K rate for a leadoff batter. This IMHO would be a factor somewhat in BAbip. question What was Granderson's BAbip with the Tigers?

 

[Rebbiv]

A couple of things about BAbip. Normally, most players' BAbip is roughly 30-35 points higher than their actual BAVG. Ramirez is career .306 BAVG with a .339 BAbip.

Now, in 2011, Ramirez batted .243 BAVG with a .275 BAbip. This is entirely within the range one would expect.

Now, great hitters generally have a lower BAbip then their actual BAVG. Pujols' career BAVG = .328 with a .311 BAbip. In 2011, Pujols' BAVG was .299 with a .277 BAbip. Again, the lower the difference between BAbip and BAVG the better.

In 2010, Austin Jackson had a .293 BAVG with a .396 BAbip. That 103 point difference is unsustainable. So, most sabermatics predicted a drop for Jackson in 2011 and this drop did occurr. Yet, his 2011 BAVG was .249 with a BAbip of .340. This is still 91 points. There isn't any players I know of whose BAbip is greater than 75 points from their career BAVG.


BAbip is a useful stat in most cases as to predicting future success. However, it is seriously flawed and IS NOT a be all, end all stat when evaluating players.

Jackson has a high K rate for a leadoff batter. This IMHO would be a factor somewhat in BAbip. question What was Granderson's BAbip with the Tigers?

Jackson last 2 years away

69.25 RC/650 .253 BAVG .313 OBP .370 SLG .683 OPS .354 BAbip (+ .101)

Granderson last 2 years with DET away

109.26 RC/650 .275 BAVG .355 OBP .506 SLG .861 OPS .305 BAbip (+ .031)

Not sure the relevance of wanting to know Granderson' BAbip. Maybe you should look at the BAbip thread I started.

 

[lonesometiger]

Jackson has a high K rate for a leadoff batter. This IMHO would be a factor somewhat in BAbip. question What was Granderson's BAbip with the Tigers?

Jackson last 2 years away

69.25 RC/650 .253 BAVG .313 OBP .370 SLG .683 OPS .354 BAbip (+ .101)

Granderson last 2 years with DET away

109.26 RC/650 .275 BAVG .355 OBP .506 SLG .861 OPS .305 BAbip (+ .031)

Not sure the relevance of wanting to know Granderson' BAbip. Maybe you should look at the BAbip thread I started.

Thanks for the info. Thought Granderson's BAbip would be a little higher.