Rushing and Winnings

[LKP]

you are such a loser! There are missed calls in every game and they go both ways. It was snowing for both teams in Philly. Blocked kicks / shanks are the responsibility of the Lion's players...do your job! Injuries vs. the Vikings? You say the Lions had a Super Bowl roster! The Vikings were so bad that any decent team should be able to kick their asses with significant injuries...especially when Peterson is out!

They don't go both ways. 634 attempts. Only 6 PIs called against our oppoennts. Calvin gets mugged every game.

Lions had way more injuries than Vikings.

Shank punt more of a fluke. Not blaming the refs on that one obviously.

You guys don't see the big picture and put everything together. The tape says the Lions were the better team.

 

[dubbsco]

Every WR gets mugged every game. Welcome to the NFL.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

I just want to point out that I've read through this entire thread (and many others like it). Here's what I've gleaned so far.

The Lions' rushing seems to have little correlation to our success. This makes sense since we are a pass-heavy team. We can overcome poor rushing because it's generally not the biggest part of our offense. We can also fail with quality rushing for the same reason.

The Lions are a very good team for 3 quarters of most games. Games aren't played for just 3 quarters, but it is at least positive that the team excels at any point. I could make up a number of reasons for why we tend to be worse in the 4th quarter (bad secondary, limited playcalling on both sides, increased turnovers) that are all contributing factors, but there's just no one thing.

All I know is that the Lions CAN play with anyone when they are consistently on the good side of their spectrum, and can lose to anybody when on the the bad side. That's probably true of many teams, but our highs and lows seem more pronounced. With average play from all players (so none of the big plays, but none of the boneheaded mistakes), we are probably an 8-8 team.

 

[dubbsco]

Well said. I would say that same concept applies to the majority of teams in the NFL not named Jacksonville. That's why parody is the name of the game. Teams that go 2-14 (Kansas City) can jump up and have a great following year, or teams like Atlanta that should be giants can absolutely bomb.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Lions have the same amount of talent that a lot of other teams possess. They just never have shown the mental ability to put a winning formula together.

 

[LKP]

The Lions are top 5 talented.

1-12 with bad rushing days the last 2 years. It's correlated

 

[tomdalton22]

The Lions are top 5 talented.

1-12 with bad rushing days the last 2 years. It's correlated

So they had 13 bad rushing games in the past 2 seasons and went 1-12. That tells me that they don't have a good running game.

 

[tomdalton22]

They don't go both ways. 634 attempts. Only 6 PIs called against our oppoennts. Calvin gets mugged every game.

Lions had way more injuries than Vikings.

Shank punt more of a fluke. Not blaming the refs on that one obviously.

You guys don't see the big picture and put everything together. The tape says the Lions were the better team.

the reason the Lions get called for PI so much is because the DBs are shitty and have to mug the opponents WRs all of the time.

 

[jdeb]

I don't have an problem with the running game coming into this year but Bush has to cut down on the turnovers. I think Bell is under used and rated. I like what I have read on Reddick but maybe a little kool-aid...
For me it's about the secondary, special teams, and Stafford pulling his head out of his ass.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

The Lions are top 5 talented.

1-12 with bad rushing days the last 2 years. It's correlated

Going back to your initial post, this year is the ONLY year that seems to show a real correlation to wins. Last year we had a losing record in good AND bad rushing days. in 2011, we actually had a worse record with good rushing days. There's not enough evidence to suggest that rushing has a particularly large importance on wins, especially since were are much more likely to abandon the run when losing and much more likely to emphasize the run when winning.

The biggest issues I've seen in most of the team's stats is that our high and low end are so far away from each other. What this does is make the team much more susceptible to luck. Luck is a HUGE factor in all sports, and statistically the Lions have been unlucky the last couple years. But it is a lack of consistency that opens the door for large luck-based swings. When we are particularly lucky, we are a 10+ win team. When we are particularly unlucky, we are a 4 win team. Being a top 5 talent team (which seems arbitrary) doesn't really mean anything.

 

[LKP]

the reason the Lions get called for PI so much is because the DBs are shitty and have to mug the opponents WRs all of the time.

Not what I'm talking about. I'm talking opposing teams against our offense. Calvin gets mugged no call. The entire Dline gets held by opposing offense, no calls.

The Lions are just too talented and other teams get away with cheating because of it.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Not what I'm talking about. I'm talking opposing teams against our offense. Calvin gets mugged no call. The entire Dline gets held by opposing offense, no calls.

The Lions are just too talented and other teams get away with cheating because of it.

Is this an issue particular to the Lions, or do you think it is measurable with other "talented" teams? My feeling is that this is a confirmation bias by yourself when you watch the games. You presume we are being held or called more on subjective plays, and therefore you say we are being cheated by the refs.

My guess is that 29 other teams' fans feel the same way.

 

[LKP]

There are 31 other teams by the way.

But it's not a bias. It's watching the tape and properly recognizing when Calvin is getting mugged or Suh is getitng hold. It happens a ton. They don't get the calls because they are so talented and opposing teams would be in 2nd and 20 all the time. So they let it fly for some reason.

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah, that's the reason.

They are too talented for the refs to let things go?!?!

 

[tomdalton22]

There are 31 other teams by the way.

But it's not a bias. It's watching the tape and properly recognizing when Calvin is getting mugged or Suh is getitng hold. It happens a ton. They don't get the calls because they are so talented and opposing teams would be in 2nd and 20 all the time. So they let it fly for some reason.

You are the most biased Lion fan here...you have proven over and over again that you are not objective when it comes to the Lions. They are not held or penalized any more or less than any other team.

 

[LKP]

You are the most biased Lion fan here...you have proven over and over again that you are not objective when it comes to the Lions. They are not held or penalized any more or less than any other team.

Yes they are. Watch any game and you will see Calvin getting mugged. I'm objective in my evaluaiton of PI like I am with all the tape I watch. I found the reason for losses and I notice things when I do. Calvin getting mugged is one of them.

Raiola has said the same thing. He clearly watches the tape.

Every penalty the Lions have is usually deserved. The league doesn't allow us to get away with anything. Other teams get away with alot.

 

[tomdalton22]

Yes they are. Watch any game and you will see Calvin getting mugged. I'm objective in my evaluaiton of PI like I am with all the tape I watch. I found the reason for losses and I notice things when I do. Calvin getting mugged is one of them.

Raiola has said the same thing. He clearly watches the tape.

Every penalty the Lions have is usually deserved. The league doesn't allow us to get away with anything. Other teams get away with alot.

watch any game where the team has a stud WR and they will be getting mugged.

 

[LKP]

watch any game where the team has a stud WR and they will be getting mugged.

And they get more PI calls. We had 634 attempts and only 6 PI calls. That is beyond ridiculous. There should be at least one a game whoever is on Calvin.

 

[tomdalton22]

And they get more PI calls. We had 634 attempts and only 6 PI calls. That is beyond ridiculous. There should be at least one a game whoever is on Calvin.

You are just a whining excuse maker.

 

[LKP]

You are just a whining excuse maker.

I understand the game and know what happens. It's a legit reason why we lost games. And going forward it may be something we have to overcome still.

 

[dubbsco]

No it's not. That's blaming the refs for losing. You know what type of franchises do that? Losing franchises.