Sick of all of this - A Rant

[Monster]

It's not socialist until the government takes the fishes to redistribute.

True. One of the few people who understand what socialism is. And imo socialism is a good thing in certain respects.

 

[redandguilty]

The guy answered he did nothing, that he was on disability and made 5K a month.

I read somewhere that disability has grown massively and it's hiding the scale of our welfare system. Something like 1% of people that go on disability ever return to work. Not to go full-FDR here, but I would gladly support some government tax&spending if it could go towards infrastructure jobs. Roads, bridges...we need a lot of work done on our power infrastructure, though I don't know how you'd deal with public funding massive scale building of private infrastructure.

 

[Sbee]

True. One of the few people who understand what socialism is. And imo socialism is a good thing in certain respects.

in a few respects, there should be a social safety net for the poor and less fortunate. the ability to work and earn for yourself leads to innovation and improvement.

 

[Monster]

I will rant about taxes to the extent it is far and away unnecessarily complicated. How much money would it save to just make it far more simplified? I will rant against them to the extent that corporations like GE make billions in net profits and pay 0 taxes. There is a ton wrong with the tax system that could probably save every working guy/gal some money if corrected.

100% true.

 

[tigersofjustice]

I read somewhere that disability has grown massively and it's hiding the scale of our welfare system. Something like 1% of people that go on disability ever return to work. Not to go full-FDR here, but I would gladly support some government tax&spending if it could go towards infrastructure jobs. Roads, bridges...we need a lot of work done on our power infrastructure, though I don't know how you'd deal with public funding massive scale building of private infrastructure.

That is a scary statistic regarding disability. That settles it for me then, it definitely needs to be cut down a bit.

Regarding infrastructure and energy, I agree. I think ultimately, there have to be provisions for state/gov control and mandatory return of profits to local government. Or even better, very specific provisions regarding where profit is to go ie Roads, schools, ect.

 

[redandguilty]

You should only be as socialist as you have to be. Needing huge social programs is a sign of some other problem.

 

[tigersofjustice]

You should only be as socialist as you have to be. Needing huge social programs is a sign of some other problem.

I would say to a certain extent, it's mandatory. I don't think you can ever truly quell social problems that affect large portions of the population systemically. Whereas perhaps there was a time when the answer was "let them starve and die", today nobody in an industrialized society is willing to agree to that.

Not to mention that it has a huge impact on crime. Starving people are desperate, desperate starving people will commit crime, including theft, robbery, ect. if it will help them not starve. Having large sums of people in a bad way financially increases need for police, jails, and courts in addition to the shear cost of helping people directly.

Though I agree to some extent, it is absolutely a signal of a breakdown in the way government interacts with its people so that they may individually prosper if there is an ever increasing need.

 

[Monster]

You should only be as socialist as you have to be. Needing huge social programs is a sign of some other problem.

Yes, it is from the top 1% controlling 40% of the wealth in this country and the top 20% controlling up to 85%.

 

[Mitchrapp]

1. I'm probably not as liberal as you think
2. I do have a big screen
3. I wouldn't let my neighbor starve if my choice was between my big screen and his death
4. I probably would let him starve for more basic things that would not cause my own death, because at the end of the day I succumb to basic human greed at some level just like everyone else

The difference between me and them is I won't give in somebody's face and call them a sinner and claim some superiority over them because I go to church every so often.

You're not giving the Christian conservatives much credit. I'm a big Christian, prayer all the time and even I miss church at times. Even if I didn't miss church I've always been one to say going to church isn't the be all to end all on whether you're a good guy or not. And certainly not more of a sinner than the rest of us.

Even non christians, I might not agree with that view, I'm not standing on my bible and crucifying them. It is what it is. One of my best friends doesn't believe in God.

You're getting bad info if you think we're all like that.

 

[redandguilty]

That is a scary statistic regarding disability. That settles it for me then, it definitely needs to be cut down a bit.

Regarding infrastructure and energy, I agree. I think ultimately, there have to be provisions for state/gov control and mandatory return of profits to local government. Or even better, very specific provisions regarding where profit is to go ie Roads, schools, ect.

I think this is the thing I read.

http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

...and I'm not knocking the program, I just think it's getting used to hide how bad things are getting.

 

[Monster]

I'll also add that its from ceo's that earn 8 and 9 figure incomes, while low level employees get $8 per hour and need food stamps to survive.

 

[redandguilty]

I would say to a certain extent, it's mandatory. I don't think you can ever truly quell social problems that affect large portions of the population systemically. Whereas perhaps there was a time when the answer was "let them starve and die", today nobody in an industrialized society is willing to agree to that.

Not to mention that it has a huge impact on crime. Starving people are desperate, desperate starving people will commit crime, including theft, robbery, ect. if it will help them not starve. Having large sums of people in a bad way financially increases need for police, jails, and courts in addition to the shear cost of helping people directly.

Though I agree to some extent, it is absolutely a signal of a breakdown in the way government interacts with its people so that they may individually prosper if there is an ever increasing need.

I probably worded it too strongly. I agree it's always mandatory.

 

[tigersofjustice]

You're getting bad info if you think we're all like that.

I certainly don't think everyone is like that. I think, however, that a significant minority of people who attend are like that. I also think a significant amount of that group has no trouble being vocal about it as well. As a result, it drives me away from what might be a majority that I might actually want to interact with.

And it's not really about "getting info". I went to church, often. I did church class multiple times a week once upon a time. I was driven from the church by these people and their intolerance. So it is something I have experienced. Like I said, I realize not all are like that, but far far too many are for it to not turn significant amounts of people off.

 

[Michchamp]

 

[Mitchrapp]

I certainly don't think everyone is like that. I think, however, that a significant minority of people who attend are like that. I also think a significant amount of that group has no trouble being vocal about it as well. As a result, it drives me away from what might be a majority that I might actually want to interact with.

And it's not really about "getting info". I went to church, often. I did church class multiple times a week once upon a time. I was driven from the church by these people and their intolerance. So it is something I have experienced. Like I said, I realize not all are like that, but far far too many are for it to not turn significant amounts of people off.

I hope they didn't change your views on what you believe? I know plenty of people who do the church thing and the church fund raising thing that are bad people. They're fine for 1 hour a week but the rest of the week they're ass holes. That's when I learned a long time that going to church is fine but it doesn't mean you're any better than someone that doesn't.

My mom has a similar view as you. She catches mass on TV. I still thinks its a small majority.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Anyway, I didn't post this one before, because it was said quite a while ago; but I'm hearing/seeing it rewound on the news a lot today...and it's one of the worst things a responsible elected official ever said.

So, for my second entry in "dumb/crazy ass/outrageous/extreme things that important Democrats have said" derby, I give you

"No justice, no peace."

- Maxine Waters, 22 year member of the HOR, Los Angeles.

 

[Michchamp]

Jesus was the product of entitlement, who inherited his wealth, attended private schools all his life based on his family connections, sits on the Boards of Directors of Exxon-Mobil, GE, Halliburton, and Apple, and lives in a gated community.

 

[Monster]

Anyway, I didn't post this one before, because it was said quite a while ago; but I'm hearing/seeing it rewound on the news a lot today...and it's one of the worst things a responsible elected official ever said.

So, for my second entry in "dumb/crazy ass/outrageous/extreme things that important Democrats have said" derby, I give you

"No justice, no peace."

- Maxine Waters, 22 year member of the HOR, Los Angeles.

Is that in response to zimmerman verdict? If so, it was a stupid thing to to say and irresponsible. It definitely isn't dumb, though. Both parties say garbage like this at times. I'm talking about uneducated, moronic quotes.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Is that in response to zimmerman verdict? If so, it was a stupid thing to to say and irresponsible. It definitely isn't dumb, though. Both parties say garbage like this at times. I'm talking about uneducated, moronic quotes.

To the Zimmerman verdict?

Hardly.

Madam Waters had the grace and good sense to say this immediately after the acquittal of Officers Kuntz, Powell, Wind and Bresenio, who had been being tried for the beating of one Rodney King.

It may have the spark - or one of the sparks - the led to the LA riots.

 

[Michchamp]

To the Zimmerman verdict?

Hardly.

Madam Waters had the grace and good sense to say this immediately after the acquittal of Officers Kuntz, Powell, Wind and Bresenio, who had been being tried for the beating of one Rodney King.

It may have the spark - or one of the sparks - the led to the LA riots.

well, it's... I dunno how to say it other than you can understand her anger at the time. "no peace" could be a lot of things short of calling for a riot. Protests, non-violent resistance, etc., and it was in response to a pretty shocking acquittal.

and unlike the comments of Bachmann, Santorum, Gingrich, Romney, Herman Kane, etc., it wasn't said during a primary campaign, which was what we were looking for here, not "shocking things democrats have said"

so... no.