So did Pizza Boy, run out of dough?

[Mitchrapp]

But 2B has to be fixed. First priority.

 

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Mitch[/color]]But 2B has to be fixed. First priority.

I disagree.

Pitching is the most important thing for any team, and we have no 5th starter.

We have serious bullpen issues outside of Coke, Benoit, and Valverde.

People bitched, and bitched, and bitched last year about Brad Penny, but he went 11-11 for us, does anyone really think Jacob Turner has a shot to come close to that?

Porcello and Scherzer are still enigmas at times, bottom line is we can survive with platoons at C, LF, 2B, and 3B. We can't with the holes we have in our pitching staff.

Man, I really wanted to land Buehrle.

 

[hellifino]

only good platoon had Tom Berenger, Willem Dafoe and Charlie Sheen in it.

 

[turok]

[quote="Mitch":3jczhjm5]But 2B has to be fixed. First priority.

I disagree.

Pitching is the most important thing for any team, and we have no 5th starter.

We have serious bullpen issues outside of Coke, Benoit, and Valverde.

People bitched, and bitched, and bitched last year about Brad Penny, but he went 11-11 for us, does anyone really think Jacob Turner has a shot to come close to that?

Porcello and Scherzer are still enigmas at times, bottom line is we can survive with platoons at C, LF, 2B, and 3B. We can't with the holes we have in our pitching staff.

Man, I really wanted to land Buehrle.[/quote:3jczhjm5]

Jarrod Washburn might be willing to tryout for the team in ST, if he is given enough advance notice, like next week to get himself into pitching shape, and fuck yes, I am at least half-serious about giving him a shot, if he would be interested.

Anyone who wants to flame/smite me for making such a preposterous suggestion, can have @ it, I won't care, as after all, this is just an anonymous messageboard...haha!!

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[Rebbiv]

[quote="Mitch":6c4ouhjq]But 2B has to be fixed. First priority.

I disagree.

Pitching is the most important thing for any team, and we have no 5th starter.

We have serious bullpen issues outside of Coke, Benoit, and Valverde.

People bitched, and bitched, and bitched last year about Brad Penny, but he went 11-11 for us, does anyone really think Jacob Turner has a shot to come close to that?

Porcello and Scherzer are still enigmas at times, bottom line is we can survive with platoons at C, LF, 2B, and 3B. We can't with the holes we have in our pitching staff.

Man, I really wanted to land Buehrle.[/quote:6c4ouhjq]

SP - Verlander
SP - Fister
SP - Scherzer
SP - Porcello
SP - Turner/Crosby/Below/Wilk


CL - Valverde
RP - Benoit
RP - Dotel
RP - Coke
RP - Alburquerque
RP - Pauley
RP - Schlereth
RP - Perry

Not sure who is in or out, but this isn't that bad of a group.


Additionally, Penny getting 11 wins was the result of the team.

Team Record in starts

Fister 8-2 .800

Verlander 25-9 .735

Porcello 21-10 .677

Scherzer 21-12 .636


Sub Total = 75-33 .694



Penny 16-15 .516

Coke 4-10 .286

Furbush 0-2 .000

Below 0-2 .000

Oliver 0-2 .000

Turner 0-3 .000



Sub Total = 20-34 .370


It is very, very plausible that the team goes 83-47 (.638) in the games Verlander, Fister, Scherzer and Porcello starts. If the #5 starter got 32 starts, the team would most likely only need 12 wins whenever that pitcher starts to repeat last year. So yes, replacing Penny isn't all that difficult.

 

[hellifino]

back up the bus, we gain 23mill with Ordenez and Guillen off the books and we are about even in spending... fill me in, there's Lardass,Santiago resigning , and maybe Dotel , if that's 23 mill, then we got taken.

 

[chrisinthed]

The more I think about it, the more I am less concerned with how the off season has progressed so far. Were the season to start today, the Tigers would start off as AL Central favorites. Better to not blow our prospect or bankroll load, when a trade can be made if needed midseason. Gio Gonzalez' trade value can most likely only decrease as time passes. The Tigers have holes, clearly, but lets not freak out yet. Our pitching is the best in the division, and possibly the second best pitcher behind JV just left for the National League (Beurhle). That is a comforting thought. If anything, I was hoping to sign Mark Beurhle, but him leaving for Florida is about as good as we could have hoped. This division is weak, weak, weak, and we still have the best roster in my opinion.

 

[Rebbiv]

back up the bus, we gain 23mill with Ordenez and Guillen off the books and we are about even in spending... fill me in, there's Lardass,Santiago resigning , and maybe Dotel , if that's 23 mill, then we got taken.

Cabrera $1.00 Mil increase

Verlander $7.25 Mil increase

Martinez $1.00 Mil increase

Valverde $2.00 Mil increase

Raburn $0.80 Mil increase

Santiago $0.75 Mil increase


TOTAL = $12.8 MIL

This does not included increases to Young, Scherzer and Coke (arbitration), nor the increases for Fister, Jackson, Boesch, Perry, Avila, Kelly, etc.

 

[ihatebadenglish]

back up the bus, we gain 23mill with Ordenez and Guillen off the books and we are about even in spending... fill me in, there's Lardass,Santiago resigning , and maybe Dotel , if that's 23 mill, then we got taken.

(face palm)

2011 Opening Day Payroll: ~$107M

2012 Contracts:

Miguel Cabrera - $21M
Justin Verlander - $20.1M
Victor Martinez - $13M
Jose Valverde - $9M
Joaquin Benoit - $5.5M
Brandon Inge - $5.5M
Jhonny Peralta - $5.5M
Octavio Dotel - $3M
Ryan Raburn - $2.1M
Ramon Santiago - $2.1M
Jacob Turner - $1.175M
Gerald Laird - $1M

TOTAL: ~$89M

Now add arbitration eligible players:

Delmon Young (3)
Rick Porcello (1)
Max Scherzer (1)
Phil Coke (1)
Don Kelly (1)

MLBTR estimates the arbitration contracts to total about $16M (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/arbitration-eligibles-detroit-tigers.html).

TOTAL: ~$105M

So that is 17 players under contract. Now add on the remaining 8 players (9 if Turner starts in the minors) at $500k per and you get an additional $4M

TOTAL: ~$109M

 

[hellifino]

back up the bus, we gain 23mill with Ordenez and Guillen off the books and we are about even in spending... fill me in, there's Lardass,Santiago resigning , and maybe Dotel , if that's 23 mill, then we got taken.

(face palm)

2011 Opening Day Payroll: ~$107M

2012 Contracts:

Miguel Cabrera - $21M
Justin Verlander - $20.1M
Victor Martinez - $13M
Jose Valverde - $9M
Joaquin Benoit - $5.5M
Brandon Inge - $5.5M
Jhonny Peralta - $5.5M
Octavio Dotel - $3M
Ryan Raburn - $2.1M
Ramon Santiago - $2.1M
Jacob Turner - $1.175M
Gerald Laird - $1M

TOTAL: ~$89M

Now add arbitration eligible players:

Delmon Young (3)
Rick Porcello (1)
Max Scherzer (1)
Phil Coke (1)
Don Kelly (1)

MLBTR estimates the arbitration contracts to total about $16M (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/arbitration-eligibles-detroit-tigers.html).

TOTAL: ~$105M

So that is 17 players under contract. Now add on the remaining 8 players (9 if Turner starts in the minors) at $500k per and you get an additional $4M

TOTAL: ~$109M
so 2 mill more, and what do we have to show for it, another divisional championship, if we want to compete, we need to spend another 25 mill. that 2 mill is just inflation.

 

[ihatebadenglish]

so 2 mill more, and what do we have to show for it, another divisional championship, if we want to compete, we need to spend another 25 mill. that 2 mill is just inflation.

Just pointing out that the team doesn't have the $23M from Ordonez and Guillen. All the money is pretty much spoken for in settling arbitration cases and signing needs like Santiago, Laird and Dotel.

Personally, I think that the Tigers will hold firm until Cespedes becomes a FA. I imagine they are one of the favorites to land him.

 

[Rebbiv]

2011 Playoff Teams' Payroll


NYY $207.0 MIL

PHI $166.0 MIL


STL $109.0 MIL

DET $107.0 MIL

TEX $92.1 MIL

MIL $83.6 MIL



ARZ $56.5 MIL

TBR $42.1 MIL

 

[chrisinthed]

The lost their bid at a championship for a few different reasons, including the shitty weather, Nelson Cruz and Alexi Ogando. But mostly it was that the bats went ice cold. Despite outslugging Texas .483 to .468, the Tigers only hit .244 in the ALCS. Not enough timely hits. 25 million extra spent likely wouldn't have won us a World Series this year.

 

[Rebbiv]

DET has averaged 2.56 Mil in attendance over the last 3 years. The average ticket price in 2011 was $29.32. 2.56 x $29.32 = $75.1 Mil.

DET receives an additional amount of revenue of about $30-40 Mil a year (media, merchandise, etc), so the total is about $105-115 Mil.

Certainly, the could anticipate increase in attendance. However, that is generally only good for 1-2 years. With a 500k increase in attendance, they could go to $120 Mil - 130 Mil.

And, of course, they could raise ticket prices. But, with the depressed economy, this might be counter-productive.

 

[Mitchrapp]

[quote="Mitch":gc7mz9ic]But 2B has to be fixed. First priority.

I disagree.

Pitching is the most important thing for any team, and we have no 5th starter.

We have serious bullpen issues outside of Coke, Benoit, and Valverde.

People bitched, and bitched, and bitched last year about Brad Penny, but he went 11-11 for us, does anyone really think Jacob Turner has a shot to come close to that?

Porcello and Scherzer are still enigmas at times, bottom line is we can survive with platoons at C, LF, 2B, and 3B. We can't with the holes we have in our pitching staff.

Man, I really wanted to land Buehrle.[/quote:gc7mz9ic]

You can get a 5th starter anywhere. Hell, bring up Below if you have to too. But we need IF.

 

[tomdalton22]

DET has averaged 2.56 Mil in attendance over the last 3 years. The average ticket price in 2011 was $29.32. 2.56 x $29.32 = $75.1 Mil.

DET receives an additional amount of revenue of about $30-40 Mil a year (media, merchandise, etc), so the total is about $105-115 Mil.

Certainly, the could anticipate increase in attendance. However, that is generally only good for 1-2 years. With a 500k increase in attendance, they could go to $120 Mil - 130 Mil.

And, of course, they could raise ticket prices. But, with the depressed economy, this might be counter-productive.

And some people think the Tigers should have a payroll of $130M a year.

 

[hellifino]

I guess I was just hoping we improved somewhere in the line up and get another quality starter.I had to laugh at Leyland saying the other day, that we can't have a star at every position (referring to 2b and 3b) Hell Jim other than Cabrera and JV, along with maybe Fister and Swerzer, throw in Peralta and Martinez at DH, and I see a lot of none allstars.

 

[Thumb]

I disagree.

Pitching is the most important thing for any team, and we have no 5th starter.

We have serious bullpen issues outside of Coke, Benoit, and Valverde.

People bitched, and bitched, and bitched last year about Brad Penny, but he went 11-11 for us, does anyone really think Jacob Turner has a shot to come close to that?

Porcello and Scherzer are still enigmas at times, bottom line is we can survive with platoons at C, LF, 2B, and 3B. We can't with the holes we have in our pitching staff.

Man, I really wanted to land Buehrle.

SP - Verlander
SP - Fister
SP - Scherzer
SP - Porcello
SP - Turner/Crosby/Below/Wilk


CL - Valverde
RP - Benoit
RP - Dotel
RP - Coke
RP - Alburquerque
RP - Pauley
RP - Schlereth
RP - Perry

Not sure who is in or out, but this isn't that bad of a group.


Additionally, Penny getting 11 wins was the result of the team.

Team Record in starts

Fister 8-2 .800

Verlander 25-9 .735

Porcello 21-10 .677

Scherzer 21-12 .636


Sub Total = 75-33 .694



Penny 16-15 .516

Coke 4-10 .286

Furbush 0-2 .000

Below 0-2 .000

Oliver 0-2 .000

Turner 0-3 .000



Sub Total = 20-34 .370


It is very, very plausible that the team goes 83-47 (.638) in the games Verlander, Fister, Scherzer and Porcello starts. If the #5 starter got 32 starts, the team would most likely only need 12 wins whenever that pitcher starts to repeat last year. So yes, replacing Penny isn't all that difficult.

Schlereth, Perry, and Pauley all very iffy, and who knows what Al Al does next year.

And we have options for a #5 yea, but don't forget Scherzer and Porcello are still feast or famine pitchers.

That list you put together is not all that bad, but it's not all that good either.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm not saying go get Pujols and Fielder, etc. Pick up a middle infielder for not too much and play him. And if money was a concern why be involved in the Cuban guy. He won't be cheap.

 

[Rebbiv]

The lost their bid at a championship for a few different reasons, including the shitty weather, Nelson Cruz and Alexi Ogando. But mostly it was that the bats went ice cold. Despite outslugging Texas .483 to .468, the Tigers only hit .244 in the ALCS. Not enough timely hits. 25 million extra spent likely wouldn't have won us a World Series this year.

DET Entire Post Season

Home .239 BAVG .331 OBP .491 SLG .822 OPS 86.33 RC/650 5.38 PA/SO

Away .236 BAVG .303 OBP .399 SLG .702 OPS 68.49 RC/650 3.68 PA/SO


The Tiger team is currently built to score runs at Comerica. They have a very difficult time scoring runs on the road. Additionally, they kill lefties, but are a little below average against righthanders.