Stafford Extension to be done today

[motown1958]

The Stafford supporters boast his 4900 yards but blame the lack of TDs on the WRs. If he was good enough to get the yards he should be able to get them into the endzone.

So you aren't a Stafford supporter? So we should just nix him and go back to the clusterfuck that we have had back there for 50 plus years. Give me a break. The kid is 25 and has one of the best arms in the NFL. Several picks last year weren't his fault but I will be the first to tell you that he needs to work on his mechanics. But then again he isn't a normal QB. He falls in the Brett Favre and Dan Marino category where he will make mistakes but his talent is so great he will always try to make "THE" play. He has shown more smarts then both of those guys because he has already evolved some as a young player and shows the willingness to take whats there instead of always forcing it. I am not saying he is the best in the game or even a top five or ten guy but we are damn lucky to have him.

 

[MalFunkShun]

You could seriously rush 2 against the Lions every game and the rest play coverage. Lions would score 14.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The Stafford supporters boast his 4900 yards but blame the lack of TDs on the WRs. If he was good enough to get the yards he should be able to get them into the endzone.

That's not the way it works, bub. Much easier to move the ball between the 20's. Getting it into the end zone is a different story.

Part of this was Staff but part of it was we had some bad WR play too many games when Nate and Ryan went down and Titus flaked out.

 

[tomdalton22]

So you aren't a Stafford supporter? So we should just nix him and go back to the clusterfuck that we have had back there for 50 plus years. Give me a break. The kid is 25 and has one of the best arms in the NFL. Several picks last year weren't his fault but I will be the first to tell you that he needs to work on his mechanics. But then again he isn't a normal QB. He falls in the Brett Favre and Dan Marino category where he will make mistakes but his talent is so great he will always try to make "THE" play. He has shown more smarts then both of those guys because he has already evolved some as a young player and shows the willingness to take whats there instead of always forcing it. I am not saying he is the best in the game or even a top five or ten guy but we are damn lucky to have him.

My original point was the Lions were screwed by having those top 3 picks so many years in a row prior to the new CBA. Stafford is an average to slightly above average QB but due to his age has some pretty good upside.

 

[tomdalton22]

That's not the way it works, bub. Much easier to move the ball between the 20's. Getting it into the end zone is a different story.

Part of this was Staff but part of it was we had some bad WR play too many games when Nate and Ryan went down and Titus flaked out.

Then I don't want people throwing out his yardage stats as to why he is a great QB!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Then I don't want people throwing out his yardage stats as to why he is a great QB!

They do but I don't think they're yelling out "he's the greatest - 5000 yards twice."

Its more like "he threw 5000 yards with the likes of Durham, Thomas, Osgood and Robiskie." Which is fair.

 

[tomdalton22]

They do but I don't think they're yelling out "he's the greatest - 5000 yards twice."

Its more like "he threw 5000 yards with the likes of Durham, Thomas, Osgood and Robiskie." Which is fair.

I don't think it is fair...he has Megatron. He is / has been an average to slightly above average QB since he has been in the league.

 

[schles192]

His TD numbers were low in part because he had a crazy amount of WR's tackled on the 1. I think CJ alone had this happen 6 times.

 

[LKP]

Stafford is a good QB. 22 PPG long drive offense is good considering his circumstances (no run game, poor interior protection and injured WRS 2-4 and TE the last 4-5 games). He moves the chains very well and the Lions were actually good in the redzone. See link below. He has all those attempts because the Lions do get alot of first down even without a good run game.


Stafford had to do it all himself in 2012. He didn't get 14 short fields like he did in 2011. He had 4 all year. And 0 defensive TD help. They had 8 long drives that went into the redzone that got 0 points. Only 2 of those 8 were Staffords fault (2 RB fumbles, 2 Oline problem drives, Durham running wrong route for 100 yard pick 6 and nobody getting open against the Bears on 4th down). The Lions had 17 rushing TDS (4 from Stafford). Most of those 13 others were because of Stafford leading them down the field and Calvin getting tackled inside the 5.


11 of the 17 picks were his fault. Not bad considering the amount of throws. They lost 16 fumbles and 15 of them weren't Stafford either. Plus the 4 special teams TDss in 2 games wiping away 2 wins. That put the Lions in some terrible game situations.


http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

Stafford did his part. He has some work to do on some off the back foot throws but had a good low to mid 60 % to EVERYONE but Durham/Thomas on 33 targets (40%) and Scheffler (50% on 83 targets). Stafford to Scheffler was 61% the previous year and 70% to Pettgirew the previous year (down to 62% in 2012).


Give the guy some help and the Lions will be back to 27-29 PPG in no time. Bush, Burleson, healthy Broyles and Warford for Peterman may be the only help he needs. Plus give him 8-9 short fields and 3 defensive TDs to help the game situations. And reduce the fumbles lost by about 6 or 7.

 

[LKP]

His TD numbers were low in part because he had a crazy amount of WR's tackled on the 1. I think CJ alone had this happen 6 times.

Exactly. 17 rushing TDs was 6th best in the league. Stafford had 4 rushing so that's 24 TDS. Hill had 2 passing TDS people forget. 26 from QBS. 13 from RBs. Many of those 13 rushing TDS was Stafford leading them down the field. I'd say maybe one wasn't. The Bell runs versus Houston is the one.

 

[tomdalton22]

Exactly. 17 rushing TDs was 6th best in the league. Stafford had 4 rushing so that's 24 TDS. Hill had 2 passing TDS people forget. 26 from QBS. 13 from RBs. Many of those 13 rushing TDS was Stafford leading them down the field. I'd say maybe one wasn't. The Bell runs versus Houston is the one.

so what....a lot of QBs lead their teams down the field then a RB punches it into the endzone. Stafford completed less than 60% of his passes and had 17 INTs. His QB rating was below 80. It was a bad year.

 

[LKP]

so what....a lot of QBs lead their teams down the field then a RB punches it into the endzone. Stafford completed less than 60% of his passes and had 17 INTs. His QB rating was below 80. It was a bad year.

He was at 60% before everyone got hurt. 49 drops one of the most in the league. 5 games without WRS 2-4 at the same time. 4 without WRS 2-4 and Pettigrew at the same time.

I showed you the problems were Scheffelr and Durham/Thomas for completion %. Plus at times WRS just flat out didn't get open. For instance in the 40% Philly game he had. I'd say 9 of the 23 incompletions were his bad throws. 14 were on others or throw aways or drops(titus being the big one on an easy should be TD).

Stafford was 70.5%(per PFF) taking away throw aways(21) and drops (49). He was 74% in 2011.

Stafford is a good QB put in a bad situation in 2012. He can move the chains and score alot of points even when he has to do it all with long drives. Stafford had 22 long drive PPG in 2011. But he also got 77 points from 14 short fields and 49 points from the defense for 29 PPG instead of 23.3 PPG.

Re-watch the season. Not Stafford's fault. He's a good QB. Be thankful they locked him up in his prime at 15.3 per year average.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't think it is fair...he has Megatron. He is / has been an average to slightly above average QB since he has been in the league.

No one wins with one WR. The ones we had weren't 2's or even 3's. Robiskie, are you kidding me? He shouldn't even be on a roster.

 

[LKP]

And Stafford was 61% to Megatron facing doubles/triples. 62% to Pettigrew. 66% to Burleson. 61% to Titus. 66% Burleson. 73% Broyles. 70% to the RBs


But then 50% to Scheffler(83 targets) and 40% to Durham/Thomas(both picked up midseaosn with no offseason to learn the playbook (33 targts)

59.8% was not Staffords fault.

 

[tomdalton22]

And Stafford was 61% to Megatron facing doubles/triples. 62% to Pettigrew. 66% to Burleson. 61% to Titus. 66% Burleson. 73% Broyles. 70% to the RBs


But then 50% to Scheffler(83 targets) and 40% to Durham/Thomas(both picked up midseaosn with no offseason to learn the playbook (33 targts)

59.8% was not Staffords fault.

of course not...it is always someone elses fault! I never said he sucks....he is just average to above average.

 

[LKP]

of course not...it is always someone elses fault! I never said he sucks....he is just average to above average.

He's good. Average to above average is a poor assessment of him. Especially with 2011 in the mix.

And 2009 rookie year on a terrible team just throw that out the window.

 

[tomdalton22]

He's good. Average to above average is a poor assessment of him. Especially with 2011 in the mix.

And 2009 rookie year on a terrible team just throw that out the window.

He is a middle of the road starting QB. Probably in the 12-17 range.

 

[schles192]

He is a middle of the road starting QB. Probably in the 12-17 range.

So you think Stafford couldn't start on half the teams in the league? I would like to know who is better please list.

 

[tomdalton22]

So you think Stafford couldn't start on half the teams in the league? I would like to know who is better please list.

In no particular order

Brady
Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Ryan
Flacco
Romo
Ben
Schaub
Rivers
Eli

Guys I would rather have but still unproven

Luck
Wilson
Capernick
Griffin (although injury concern)
Dalton (only because of salary)

 

[mhughes0021]

His TD numbers were low in part because he had a crazy amount of WR's tackled on the 1. I think CJ alone had this happen 6 times.

This...

But if you add the 6 tds to staff i still think its low for throwing the ball close to 800 times a year.

My biggest complaint the last couple years was how much we focus our drafts on unproductive skill players. With that being said leshoure is now a back up, titus is gone, best is braindead and youre looking at trotting out broyles and burleson both comming off major injuries. Even if the oline comes together to be decent as pass pro im not sure how much more i can expect from our offense. If im being honest Reggie Bush just might end up being a savior....if hes catching the ball with how much space our rbs have had in the past then he can be the difference maker for this offense. Or he can get injured and we will be back to LeCrap running for 3 yds a pop.