Stafford Extension to be done today

[tomdalton22]

Unless Pettidrop wants to be paid in smiles and handshakes.....I hope we let him walk or trade him to the Pats.

He hasn't shown he can do much more than most blocking TE's.....and they aren't that hard to come by. Shit, we drafted one this year.

I still don't know what I think about Pettigrew. I hated the pick when they made it then he had some success catching the ball. I just don't know if he is a top tier TE or just puts up stats because of the amount of times the Lions pass the ball.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Pettigrew is still a good player and we'd miss him if he was gone. None of us should be surprised he drops balls now and again, he was not considered a passing threat in college. And he's a very good blocking TE. Catching over 70 balls twice is not your normal blocking TE like booger thinks.

 

[schles192]

Pettigrew has a massive wingspan, this helps him in pass blocking and catching the ball. Because he is slower he doesn't need that much seperation to get his hands on the ball, and despite what people think he has good hands. His problem is securing the ball once he gets his hands on the ball. LBS continually rake his arms and knock the ball out once he gets his hands on it. That's the one aspect he really needs to fix cause its easy to see on film. If they let him walk they are crazy.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Pettigrew has a massive wingspan, this helps him in pass blocking and catching the ball. Because he is slower he doesn't need that much seperation to get his hands on the ball, and despite what people think he has good hands. His problem is securing the ball once he gets his hands on the ball. LBS continually rake his arms and knock the ball out once he gets his hands on it. That's the one aspect he really needs to fix cause its easy to see on film. If they let him walk they are crazy.

Eh.......not convinced he is anything more than good run blocker and average receiver. If they can get him signed for cheap.....great.....otherwise.....SEE YA!

 

[LKP]

McTigue: "Bad luck also played a part in Stafford?s diminished red-zone numbers. Detroit receivers were tackled inside the 5-yard line a league-high 23 times. Calvin Johnson was tackled eight times within the 5-yard line, including five times at the 1-yard line -- both numbers were league highs. In 2011, Johnson was tackled just twice inside the 5-yard line and once at the 1-yard line."

 

[tonyballs]

How have I been schooled. I was asked to put a list together of QBs that I think are better than Stafford. I do understand that some had good defenses and some had running games but that doesn't change my opinion. I hope Stafford improves and moves up the list (maybe top 8).

Meh....good defenses? Most of those teams have had GREAT defenses. Not knocking the QBs because most of the guys you mentioned are studs but it's a hell of a lot easier to win games with a defense behind you. Staff had that one year where the defense played very good.
He puts points on the board and the defense follows suit = WINS.

 

[tonyballs]

McTigue: "Bad luck also played a part in Stafford?s diminished red-zone numbers. Detroit receivers were tackled inside the 5-yard line a league-high 23 times. Calvin Johnson was tackled eight times within the 5-yard line, including five times at the 1-yard line -- both numbers were league highs. In 2011, Johnson was tackled just twice inside the 5-yard line and once at the 1-yard line."

Thats crazy talk right there. Has anybody ever heard such a stat? lol

 

[LKP]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2013/07/among_2012s_losing_teams_detro.html


Check this article out. Poor fumble recovery rate. Didn't get the bounces.


Big turnaround in 2013 hopefully.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Meh....good defenses? Most of those teams have had GREAT defenses. Not knocking the QBs because most of the guys you mentioned are studs but it's a hell of a lot easier to win games with a defense behind you. Staff had that one year where the defense played very good.
He puts points on the board and the defense follows suit = WINS.

I can't agree with his list but the top 4, I still use Manning when he was with Indy, had bad defenses. Whether they are or were better than us - they gave up a ton of points.

 

[LKP]

Give Stafford 14 short fields like in 2011, and he tossed 41 TDS.

He led 22 PPG from long drives(starting outside field goal range) both in 2011 and 2012.
They can be a little more efficient than 2012 of course but that wasn't on Stafford.

16 lost fumbles was huge and 6 picks weren't on Stafford IMO. Plus special team just flat out causing 2 losses.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Give Stafford 14 short fields like in 2011, and he tossed 41 TDS.

He led 22 PPG from long drives(starting outside field goal range) both in 2011 and 2012.
They can be a little more efficient than 2012 of course but that wasn't on Stafford.

16 lost fumbles was huge and 6 picks weren't on Stafford IMO. Plus special team just flat out causing 2 losses.

Yeah but every QB had INT that weren't "their" fault. Plus, its been noted, Staff had passes that didn't even look like passes and completely missed receivers. That's on him.

I have as much confidence as the next guy with Staff but don't make it sound like he had a great season last year or would have if it wasn't for the bone head plays by his own teammates.

 

[LKP]

Yeah but every QB had INT that weren't "their" fault. Plus, its been noted, Staff had passes that didn't even look like passes and completely missed receivers. That's on him.

I have as much confidence as the next guy with Staff but don't make it sound like he had a great season last year or would have if it wasn't for the bone head plays by his own teammates.

He could have had a great season with more short fields than 4 and less fumbles by others. Fumbles take away scoring opportunities for Stafford. Leshoure's against Atlanta, Minnesota and Bears in scoring territory were the worst. Same with Bell. In fact, LeShoure and Bell fumbles caused an int for Stafford when he had to FORCE up a prayer late in the Bears game. Durham running two wrong routes caused 2 others. Durham better not be running routes for Detroit this year because of injuries and if he does at least he has an offseason this time.

Stafford was 70.5% taking away drops and throwaways. Plus the 29.5% incompletion is not ALL on Stafford's inaccuracy. Some of that is lack of separation by players(sometimes backup players in Thomas/Scheffler/Durham) or batted passes. Stafford was well over 60% to everyone else.

Stafford can improve on his mechanics but if you replayed the season with the weapons/RBs doing their jobs, Stafford could easily been in the low 60% again.

I'm happy Stafford can have mediocre mechanics and still lead this team down the field well to the tune of 22 long field PPG.

 

[Mitchrapp]

A few more TD and a few less TO don't make it a great season. When you posted how many times Detroit got stopped within the 5, who's that on? CJ, the running game, TE, bad WR or maybe Staff? Staff gets a lot of that blame. I remember way too many times I'm like "shit, he was wide open how did he miss that?"

I get the being positive. But Staff is to blame just as much as the teammates.

 

[LKP]

A few more TD and a few less TO don't make it a great season. When you posted how many times Detroit got stopped within the 5, who's that on? CJ, the running game, TE, bad WR or maybe Staff? Staff gets a lot of that blame. I remember way too many times I'm like "shit, he was wide open how did he miss that?"

I get the being positive. But Staff is to blame just as much as the teammates.

Detroit still scored a TD many times in those scenarios. 17 rushing TDs. Tackled inside the 5 is different than stoped inside the 5. You're just switching who gets the TD.

Of the 17 rushing TDs, I'd give Stafford the majority of the credit for 16 of them for getting them in position to score an easy rush TD.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Bottom line" Did he have an OK season, yes. Did he have a good season? Maybe, maybe not. You can't dismiss the yards regardless how much he threw. Any better than that, no. And thats even if the teammates didn't screw up.

 

[motown1958]

I will put it like this. Staff had a decent season. I am positive he isn't happy with it and looks to improve. But if you throw the ball 700 times you will throw picks. It will happen I dont care who you are. Drew Brees has had high int. totals the past few years because of his high pass attempts. Stafford is an elite talent who I think has the mentality to get better. I like most when you see him in interviews and things he ISNT CUTLER OR FAVRE. Those are two guys with very similar skill sets but different attitudes. I hope this is the year for our boy to take his place among the elite.

 

[motown1958]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9471697/matthew-stafford-done-plenty-lions


Pretty decent article. Also Mcnabb is an idiot.

 

[motown1958]

Passing Yards Leaders - All Players
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Drew Brees, QB NO 422 670 63.0 5,177 7.73 80 43 19 26 96.3 324
2 Matthew Stafford, QB DET 435 727 59.8 4,967 6.83 57 20 17 29 79.8 310
3 Tony Romo, QB DAL 425 648 65.6 4,903 7.57 85 28 19 36 90.5 306
4 Tom Brady, QB NE 401 637 63.0 4,827 7.58 83 34 8 27 98.7 302
5 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 422 615 68.6 4,719 7.67 80 32 14 28 99.1 295
6 Peyton Manning, QB DEN 400 583 68.6 4,659 7.99 71 37 11 21 105.8 291
7 Andrew Luck, QB IND 339 627 54.1 4,374 6.98 70 23 18 41 76.5 273
8 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 371 552 67.2 4,295 7.78 73 39 8 51 108.0 268
9 Josh Freeman, QB TB 306 558 54.8 4,065 7.29 95 27 17 26 81.6 254
10 Carson Palmer, QB OAK 345 565 61.1 4,018 7.11 64 22 14 26 85.3 268


sorry its a bit messy. So Brees throws two more picks in less attempts but does throw for more touchdowns which can be blamed on a multitude of issues for Stafford and somehow there is no question on his greatness. One great defense lead them to a super bowl and now he is above reproach. Also experts love Romo and his stats are also no better than staffords. More picks less yards and a few more tds. Also didnt make the playoffs. Stafford is unfairly judged I think based on where he was picked.

 

[michiganalex]

couldn't the money saved in Stafford's extension go towards signing Eric Winston to be our starting RT?

 

[michiganalex]

also isn't slick on these boards?