Stafford gone to rams

[dtroitlionsfan951]

I don't understand how you and Hughes spend the year pissing and moaning about how they didn't start rebuilding last year. Especially Hughes, ripping the front office for not planning for the future (no WR's this year, the Suh/Fairley debacle).

Then we hire a new FO....and that is EXACTLY what they're doing......and now its an issue with you guys. They AREN'T winning next year.....we all know it. They got 2 future first rounders. For a rebuilding franchise, 2 future firsts is much better than one and a shittly QB (Lock) this year. The Goff contract only matters for this year and then its easily gotten out of if he doesn't show any promise. They're building draft capital.

It's ironic that they're doing what you both have been pissing and moaning about......and now you're pissing and moaning about it.

LOL.

It’s called being lionized. The reality set in that we are 100% going to be a terrible team next year. So now they are upset about that as well. Also this is why LKP trolls them with true wins and BS. He got sick of the constant bitching and moaning about every little thing. So he started doing the exact opposite of them to piss them off lol. I remember back when LKP changed and started being crazy.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Idc what anyone says. If Goff plays well, it's a good trade. If he sucks, then we have 4 first round picks and a ton of money off the cap in two years time. If he sucks, we're in no worse of a position as we would with stafford because statistics say we wouldn't make the playoffs anyway.

If he's good, we win soon. If he's not good, we won't win, but at least we'll have cap relief and 4 first round picks after this year.

A 26 year old with playoff and super bowl experience and a real hunger to prove himself. Its good for me.

Exactly. Well said. I'm not a fan of Goff but understand we had to take him to get what we did. He's young, a #1 overall pick and has had success in the NFL. Do I think he'll win in 2021 or show "promise"......no.....I do not. But then he's gone and we have the firepower to get a QB if it's needed.....which it most likely wont be. We're VERY likely to pick #1 or #2 next year. We've added picks, and after this year we've added cap relief for when we NEED to go out to get FA in 2022 and 2023. Handled correctly (the big IF for a Lions organization and fan base) this trade could be the foundation of a successful run from 2023 on.

 

[Monster]

Exactly. Well said. I'm not a fan of Goff but understand we had to take him to get what we did. He's young, a #1 overall pick and has had success in the NFL. Do I think he'll win in 2021 or show "promise"......no.....I do not. But then he's gone and we have the firepower to get a QB if it's needed.....which it most likely wont be. We're VERY likely to pick #1 or #2 next year. We've added picks, and after this year we've added cap relief for when we NEED to go out to get FA in 2022 and 2023. Handled correctly (the big IF for a Lions organization and fan base) this trade could be the foundation of a successful run from 2023 on.

I'm actually a huge fan of Goff. He hasn't played his best football recently, but a change of scenery could do him some good. Just imagine if we get the 2018 version of Goff to go along with 2 future firsts and this 3rd. Might be a top 5 trade of all time in any sport, especially if the rams don't win like the experts think they will.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I'm actually a huge fan of Goff. He hasn't played his best football recently, but a change of scenery could do him some good. Just imagine if we get the 2018 version of Goff to go along with 2 future firsts and this 3rd. Might be a top 5 trade of all time in any sport, especially if the rams don't win like the experts think they will.

Agreed. I'm not as optimistic as you about JG......but it would be fucking fantastic if something actually worked out in the Lions favor for once!

 

[LKP]

I'm actually a huge fan of Goff. He hasn't played his best football recently, but a change of scenery could do him some good. Just imagine if we get the 2018 version of Goff to go along with 2 future firsts and this 3rd. Might be a top 5 trade of all time in any sport, especially if the rams don't win like the experts think they will.

THIS. So much this

I am not that high on Goff as you but of course I'm hoping he proves me wrong and of course I know he has a chance too. The guy is 1st round pick for a reason, first overall. He has talent. And QBs change from year to year and coach to coach. Especially young youngs. There are reasons Goff didnt' do as well last two years and some of that could be from Goff.

if Goff is 100 QB rating Goff again, it is like the best trade ever. Thats will be difficult because for that to happen, the Lions are going to need to build alot. They need to build alot no matter who the QB is. But they might have their QB for 4 years as he hits his prime 26-30 years old. The guy has had success, he made throws for success. He was not just a game manager especially 2017/2018. Can they fix his turnover issues and lower them to 9-10 picks instead of 14-16 picks. Goff has accuracy, enough arm and can make good decisons. McVay didn't let him do the latter

Good article on how to get Goff to reach potential

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2021/2/5/22267958/anthony-lynn-tap-jared-goff-potential-detroit-lions

The trick, according to a great film article by Touchdown Wire’s Mark Schofield (thanks for finding this, Mike Payton), is to structure the quarterback’s point of view within the scheme to look like the Bear Raid Cal offense that made Goff a number one overall pick in the first place. When the Rams put him in the shotgun with an empty backfield even in his mediocre 2020 season, the Rams got aggressive attacking reads down the field out of Goff.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

I'm actually a huge fan of Goff. He hasn't played his best football recently, but a change of scenery could do him some good. Just imagine if we get the 2018 version of Goff to go along with 2 future firsts and this 3rd. Might be a top 5 trade of all time in any sport, especially if the rams don't win like the experts think they will.

I think Jared Goff starting for the lions is a win win. Either he gets better and becomes a starter going forwards, or he sucks really bad and we cut him in 1-2 years. Better than starting a Chase Daniels or something who has 0% of chance of being good. I really don't think we'll have an opportunity to draft a good QB in this draft.

 

[LKP]

I think Jared Goff starting for the lions is a win win. Either he gets better and becomes a starter going forwards, or he sucks really bad and we cut him in 1-2 years. Better than starting a Chase Daniels or something who has 0% of chance of being good. I really don't think we'll have an opportunity to draft a good QB in this draft.

The beauty is the Lions have the option too and still have plenty of 1sts. 5 in 3 years. Can take QB pick 7, 2022 Lions pick, 2022 Rams pick, or move around to get one, 2023 Lions pick, 2023 Rams pick.

Wait until 2022 is best bet

If get pick 8 only from Carolina. Basically we would have to take a QB at 7 or 8 and then we really didn't get anything extra. We just traded Stafford for the rookie QB straight up

Denver Round 1 and Lock. Well then Lock is your QB for two years and you still should be pick a QB at pick 7 or 9. So again. Stafford for rookie QB/Lock would be the value in return.

Stafford and Goff, two Round 1s and Round 3 means you could have two extra Round 1s to use on non QBs. Maybe just one if Goff sucks, but you have options. But one first and rookie QB 2022 is better than just rookie QB 2021 straight up for the trade

 

[mhughes0021]

I don't understand how you and Hughes spend the year pissing and moaning about how they didn't start rebuilding last year. Especially Hughes, ripping the front office for not planning for the future (no WR's this year, the Suh/Fairley debacle).

Then we hire a new FO....and that is EXACTLY what they're doing......and now its an issue with you guys. They AREN'T winning next year.....we all know it. They got 2 future first rounders. For a rebuilding franchise, 2 future firsts is much better than one and a shittly QB (Lock) this year. The Goff contract only matters for this year and then its easily gotten out of if he doesn't show any promise. They're building draft capital.

It's ironic that they're doing what you both have been pissing and moaning about......and now you're pissing and moaning about it.

LOL.

$25 mil a year for a QB that underperformed and for all intents in purposes just got fired is not exactly what id call "planning for the future." Its been explained at great length that i felt "planning for the future" should be with a QB on a rookie contract. 2 very different perspectives.

It also slightly frustrating that now is the time to rebuild....and they are deciding not to. They decided to roll into 2021 with only 6 picks, a vet QB that just got benched and costs too much, and $0 in cap space.

LOL.

 

[tomdalton22]

The beauty is the Lions have the option too and still have plenty of 1sts. 5 in 3 years. Can take QB pick 7, 2022 Lions pick, 2022 Rams pick, or move around to get one, 2023 Lions pick, 2023 Rams pick.

Wait until 2022 is best bet

If get pick 8 only from Carolina. Basically we would have to take a QB at 7 or 8 and then we really didn't get anything extra. We just traded Stafford for the rookie QB straight up

Denver Round 1 and Lock. Well then Lock is your QB for two years and you still should be pick a QB at pick 7 or 9. So again. Stafford for rookie QB/Lock would be the value in return.

Stafford and Goff, two Round 1s and Round 3 means you could have two extra Round 1s to use on non QBs. Maybe just one if Goff sucks, but you have options. But one first and rookie QB 2022 is better than just rookie QB 2021 straight up for the trade

you are making the assumption that they select a player with #8. The #8 pick could easily be converted into 2022 & 2023 first rounders via trades. Let's hope the Lions can turn #7 into a later 2021 first and a 2022 first. I think that should be something the front office will look into. Dream scenario for the Lions is Wilson or Lance is there at 7, Lions trade back and accumulate more picks and Goff is a good QB. That really isn't that far fetched.

 

[LKP]

you are making the assumption that they select a player with #8. The #8 pick could easily be converted into 2022 & 2023 first rounders via trades. Let's hope the Lions can turn #7 into a later 2021 first and a 2022 first. I think that should be something the front office will look into. Dream scenario for the Lions is Wilson or Lance is there at 7, Lions trade back and accumulate more picks and Goff is a good QB. That really isn't that far fetched.

Yeah then they wouldn't have a pick though and would have nobody at QB. The Rams trade we already have a QB and already made that conversion guaranteeing the Lions the maximum first round picks. And now Lions could trade back from pick 7 for even more picks instead of having to take a QB.

Lions got the best deal and Goff gives them a nice wild card icing on top

 

[LKP]

$25 mil a year for a QB that underperformed and for all intents in purposes just got fired is not exactly what id call "planning for the future." Its been explained at great length that i felt "planning for the future" should be with a QB on a rookie contract. 2 very different perspectives.

It also slightly frustrating that now is the time to rebuild....and they are deciding not to. They decided to roll into 2021 with only 6 picks, a vet QB that just got benched and costs too much, and $0 in cap space.

LOL.

LOL. They have so many 1sts now. They maximized first and have QB options galore. You don't build through 2021 FA. This year the cap is low too. Horrible year to build through FA

Lions are building through the draft and they will have 6 picks this year to do, even more options to trade down now and an extra 3rd. And don't have to worry about QB as Goff gets a shot and is talented.

McVay could be dead wrong on Goff or using him as a scapegoat. More things on offense regressed than just QB play.

 

[mhughes0021]

LOL. They have so many 1sts now. They maximized first and have QB options galore. You don't build through 2021 FA. This year the cap is low too. Horrible year to build through FA

Lions are building through the draft and they will have 6 picks this year to do, even more options to trade down now and an extra 3rd. And don't have to worry about QB as Goff gets a shot and is talented.

McVay could be dead wrong on Goff or using him as a scapegoat. More things on offense regressed than just QB play.

you keep saying 6 picks like its some great number. You are aware theres 7 rounds. 1 pick in rd 1 is normal. 1 pick in rd 2 is normal. 2 picks in rd 3 is normal. Theres no upside here and you keep using it as upside.

 

[LKP]

you keep saying 6 picks like its some great number. You are aware theres 7 rounds. 1 pick in rd 1 is normal. 1 pick in rd 2 is normal. 2 picks in rd 3 is normal. Theres no upside here and you keep using it as upside.

It shows the rebuild is starting through the draft is the point. We don't have a 6th or 7th. Big deal. And next year and 2023 looking great too. Keep building and we will know more about roster needs in 2022, 2023. Also no combine this year, 2021 a crap shoot with less FA, low cap and tougher draft review

 

[boogerlovejoy]

$25 mil a year for a QB that underperformed and for all intents in purposes just got fired is not exactly what id call "planning for the future." Its been explained at great length that i felt "planning for the future" should be with a QB on a rookie contract. 2 very different perspectives.

It also slightly frustrating that now is the time to rebuild....and they are deciding not to. They decided to roll into 2021 with only 6 picks, a vet QB that just got benched and costs too much, and $0 in cap space.

LOL.

1. Goff is expendable after 2021....you act as if they committed long term to him. He's a one year audition. Could go well. He could go 1997 Scott Mitchell on us. Time will tell.

2. Having Goff DOES NOT STOP THEM FROM DRAFTING A QB.

3. Six picks is only 1 less than normal, and in no way shape or form does that mean they are "deciding not to" rebuild. Thats just fucking stupid. Also, the two picks we don't have are our 6th and 7th. Are you saying 2021's 6th and 7th round picks are keeping us from rebuilding the franchise?

 

[mhughes0021]

1. Goff is expendable after 2021....you act as if they committed long term to him. He's a one year audition. Could go well. He could go 1997 Scott Mitchell on us. Time will tell.

2. Having Goff DOES NOT STOP THEM FROM DRAFTING A QB.

3. Six picks is only 1 less than normal, and in no way shape or form does that mean they are "deciding not to" rebuild. Thats just fucking stupid. Also, the two picks we don't have are our 6th and 7th. Are you saying 2021's 6th and 7th round picks are keeping us from rebuilding the franchise?

1) goff is our qb of the future.... you'll see

2) yes it does... or else we will be on worse shape than i thought as far as getting support for the defense this year.

3) holmes made a conscious decision not to add early picks this year in favor of early picks the next 2 years. Incase you were not aware... future picks help rebuild in the future... not now.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

1) goff is our qb of the future.... you'll see

2) yes it does... or else we will be on worse shape than i thought as far as getting support for the defense this year.

3) holmes made a conscious decision not to add early picks this year in favor of early picks the next 2 years. Incase you were not aware... future picks help rebuild in the future... not now.

1. If that happens......then I'll be upset. But I'm not going to sit there an act as if it is. If they were 100% committed.....then restructuring his deal would be the best move. I don't think they are.

2. No it doesn't. You can have a $25M qb and a rookie QB.....it fits pretty well. Does that mean they ARE drafting one at #7? No. But this team needs playmakes at every fucking level so I'll take BPA at WR, OL, DE, LB, CB or S and be happy with it. Realistically I think it comes down to Mac Jones, Smith, Waddle, Parsons or Rousseau.

3. They are going to suck in 2021 no matter what deal Holmes made. They are likely to be bad in 2022 no matter what deal Holmes made. 2023 is realistically the first year we'll have a shot at a winner.....and guess what.....we have 2 firsts that year, too!!

 

[zyxt9]

Booger, did you mean DL instead of OL, or just missed it in your list? Understandable to miss a need when there are so many, I just think DL is a bigger need than OL at the moment.

 

[Monster]

While drafting Goff doesn't mean we won't draft a QB, I will say #7 won't be a qb unless it's a guy the coaches really love. Campbell keeps talking about building the team with toughness, so I think that hints at us getting some dawgs on D and offensive skill guys that aren't scared to throw down.

I honestly don't see the hype of this QB class. People are so desperate for the next josh allen, pat mahomes, and lamar jackson that they are reaching hard on guys that should be 3rd round picks.

Please, no 1st round QB this year. Draft a project later in the 2nd or 3rd day and use the rest of the picks to build a team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Idc what anyone says. If Goff plays well, it's a good trade. If he sucks, then we have 4 first round picks and a ton of money off the cap in two years time. If he sucks, we're in no worse of a position as we would with stafford because statistics say we wouldn't make the playoffs anyway.

If he's good, we win soon. If he's not good, we won't win, but at least we'll have cap relief and 4 first round picks after this year.

A 26 year old with playoff and super bowl experience and a real hunger to prove himself. Its good for me.

Its not just about that. Its about more rebuild time. As usual. More added years where the only mandate is "to compete." As far as Goff playing well, I hope so .. but we all know there is more to it than that. The defense is terrible. That's not an easy fix. As i get older and older.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Booger, did you mean DL instead of OL, or just missed it in your list? Understandable to miss a need when there are so many, I just think DL is a bigger need than OL at the moment.

I had DE and LB on there.....that list was in no particular order. I would agree that anything defensive is a higher priority than OL.....but if Sewell is there at 7 and you can't find a trade down partner......I'm ok with that.

Again, I think it comes down to DE, LB, WR or QB in that order and at #7 the only players worth taking there are Parsons or Waddle/Smith.